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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2007, 03:34:01 PM »
you get that same isolation from any of the Ety line.
and if your using them solely for live work, then paying $250 vs $90 is something to ponder.

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I bought my ety's for 180 new btw

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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2007, 03:44:03 PM »
whoa..
thats a sweet deal.  mine were ridiculous when i bought them from headroom

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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2007, 08:42:42 AM »
Have ER-4(no p) and find them to excel at live monitoring and playback at home, isolation is phenomenal , all the detail is there, and with the custom molded earpieces, I can wear them for hours with no discomfort. they are a constant companion when recording.

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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2007, 09:38:39 AM »
Cool trick- I'll sometimes wear the ER4S's like earplugs for overly loud shows while recording and supplement the high end with just enough volume from the headphone amp to match whatever bass attenuation I get from the earplugs.  It's like an earplug EQ control.  I get some weird looks with them on rocking out to the live music sometimes though. ;D

I'd really like to get some of those custom molded plugs like Brian has.  I didn't care for any of the standard flanges or the barrel shaped foam plugs that came with them and instead use the highest isolation rated foam earplugs I could find (blue skinned foam, round on one end and flanged on the other) that I punch a hole through using a leather punch and then push over the miniature drivers.  These fit and seal much better for me giving greater isolation and bass response.  The deeper I get them into my ear canal the better they sound, and the better the isolation is.

I've got a pair of ER4S's and a pair of ER4P's.  I got the second set so both myself and girlfriend could wear them on long roadtrips in an old convertible - even with the top up they make for a much better listening environment by cutting out all that noise.  I used a small headphone volume adapter cable to even the volume and impedance load and drive them from the same headphone amp.

I do notice a difference in sound between the P and the S model.  The S's have a smoother, more extended treble range but are harder to drive.  The headphone amp in the R-09 is not strong enough to get the S's loud enough, but the little Total Airhead amp from HeadRoom drives them fine.  I usually use that little amp with them all the time because it sounds so much better, and works well.

The only time the AirHead>ER4S is not quite loud enough is when monitoring loud music in the field.  Just not enough level to really hear over the really loud stuff, but fine for acoustic music.  I plan on trying the ER4P's next time out for a little extra level. 
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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2007, 01:17:39 PM »
Cool trick- I'll sometimes wear the ER4S's like earplugs for overly loud shows while recording and supplement the high end with just enough volume from the headphone amp to match whatever bass attenuation I get from the earplugs.  It's like an earplug EQ control.  I get some weird looks with them on rocking out to the live music sometimes though. ;D



I do this too when monitoring in the field.  I let my ears get used to the ambient noise w/o volume on the ety's and then gradually pull the ety's up to a comfortable level.  Saves on ear fatigue for sure.

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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2007, 02:42:18 PM »
I originally bought the ER6's, and ended up returning them for the ER4p's, and was happy that I did.  Built way better and sturdier, besides sounding better imo.

ER4p's can still be had for about $179.  ER6's, about $79.

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2007, 04:11:52 PM »
The M-Audio IEM's are oem'd from Ultimate Ears as the U.E super.fi 3 according to a thread at head-fi.  The upshot is that they are locally stocked at Radio Shack in North America. as the super.fi 3 live ($99)

This long thread details swapping the left and right wires and running reversed (left in right ear...) and getting better seal with a more low profile appearance. Thread is specifically about super.fi 5 but goes on to talk about the 3 live deeper in the thread.

I really want a good monitor setup.  I'm tired of getting brickwalling and only discovering later......... :-X

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191204&highlight=flip+flop

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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2007, 08:37:09 PM »
I picked up a pair of the super.fi 3s on headphone.com for $79.  Added in an airplane adapter for $10, and $10 for shipping.  They arrived today.  In a quick test with my ipod, they sound great.  Block out plenty of external noise, and they're VERY efficient -- had the volume at 25% or so.  My only quibble is that if I try to sing along  ;D it sounds like crap, because I'm hearing myself.  But I suppose that's just the nature of the ear-canal earphones, because of the seal they make...
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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2007, 12:17:26 PM »
  My only quibble is that if I try to sing along  ;D it sounds like crap, because I'm hearing myself.  But I suppose that's just the nature of the ear-canal earphones, because of the seal they make...
No... you just sing like crap.

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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2007, 09:48:39 PM »
  My only quibble is that if I try to sing along  ;D it sounds like crap, because I'm hearing myself.  But I suppose that's just the nature of the ear-canal earphones, because of the seal they make...
No... you just sing like crap.

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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2007, 10:20:10 PM »
Odd man out here: I have the ER4B's.  I got them because I was doing a lot of binaural at the time and that they have a flat response curve and do not try to imitate speaker sound.  I bought them shortly after I read a review in AUDIO saying that the only better earphones at the time were the Stax Lambda Pro 4's, which cost thousands even if they do go down to 8Hz.  I have been pleased with them as long as I have had them and that must be close to ten years now.  I just keep buying the green plugs which protect the drivers from ear wax and listen in pleasure. 

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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2007, 09:03:04 AM »
Odd man out here: I have the ER4B's.  I got them because I was doing a lot of binaural at the time and that they have a flat response curve and do not try to imitate speaker sound. ...

I was curious about those. Have you ever had a chance to compare those to the ER4S/P's? Are the response curves published anywhere?  All I could find a few years back were statements that the ER4B's were EQ'd for binaural applications, but no specifics other than that.
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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2007, 11:05:25 PM »
Odd man out here: I have the ER4B's.  I got them because I was doing a lot of binaural at the time and that they have a flat response curve and do not try to imitate speaker sound. ...

I was curious about those. Have you ever had a chance to compare those to the ER4S/P's? Are the response curves published anywhere?  All I could find a few years back were statements that the ER4B's were EQ'd for binaural applications, but no specifics other than that.
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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2007, 03:17:45 AM »
Odd man out here: I have the ER4B's.  I got them because I was doing a lot of binaural at the time and that they have a flat response curve and do not try to imitate speaker sound. ...

I was curious about those. Have you ever had a chance to compare those to the ER4S/P's? Are the response curves published anywhere?  All I could find a few years back were statements that the ER4B's were EQ'd for binaural applications, but no specifics other than that.

You got the answer from the previous post.  This is the line which swayed me: " . . . the goal is to produce the same frequency response at the eardrum as would be produced in the live situation."
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Re: Etymotic Research questions
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2007, 05:32:06 PM »
Thx.

From the Etymotic site liked above:
"ER•4 MicroPro Earphones have special filters that shape the frequency response and prevent earwax from entering the earphones."
I've never changed mine in 8 years or so.. they still appear nice and green and at least look and sound un-clogged.  Maybe it's time to do so anyway.  I wonder if the filters are different for the ER4B's to 'shape the frequency response' differently as the cuve shows in the link above.  It would be cool to just change filters to switch between 4S & 4B response.  I know the difference between the 4S and 4P is the impedance in the cable.
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