Topic: New to taping,need help getting started!

[Boctaper]

Hey Friends

Im just starting to enjoy this new hobby.Ive only taped a few rock shows with my old SONY TCM-454VK Cassette recorder:-( Really bad sound as you would guess.Ive been looking for a new recorder, what do you recommend out of these:

Sony PCM-D50
Zoom H2
Olympus LS-10
Tascam DR100


Any Idea on mic's? I don't know where to begin for taping live shows,Do I really need a mic?

what about Core Sound Binaural mic's?any good?

Thanks for your help my friends

Brian

[nameloc01]

There have been *many* excellent tapes made with CSBs.

D50.

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

You probably know all this already:  http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,33610.0.html
This is really good:  http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,35004.0.html

Running crappy mics into a supergood recorder will more than likely get you crappy recordings.  I recommend something better than CSBs, although great tapes have been made with them.  Another inexpensive alternative are the Church Audio mics being sold here (do a search).  Lots of good mid-priced set, like the AKG460s, are available in the Yard Sale.

As for recorders, I would say the Marantz PMD661 with an Oade mod...  Or the Sony PCM-D50...

Terry

[Church-Audio]

I really recommend the R09HR. Its a great recorder for not a lot of money.

[Belexes]

Check out Chris' mics above. (Church Audio)

I am a D50 believer.

[Boctaper]

Ok,I think im going with the Sony Pcm-50

Thanks guys

Now the hard part Mic's? Tons of choices Im looking for stealth mic's now,I just checked that topic Crazy!

Thinking:
http://www.sonicsense.com/core.htm

or

My friend said he saw a mic that goes around your ears or something

[nameloc01]

Crappy mics..lol. That's funny. I've never owned a pair, however I have piles if excellent recordings made with them..which is what I thought this was all about..guess I was wrong. What exactly puts a mic into the "crap" category nowadays ?

[su6oxone]

My vote for starter stealth rig:

Church Audio CA-11 > Battery Box or Church Audio 9100 preamp > Edirol R-09HR

That would run around $500 or so.  If your budget is higher than that, then that gives you more options.

[Belexes]

Now the hard part Mic's? Tons of choices Im looking for stealth mic's now,I just checked that topic Crazy!

Many here use:
Church Audio
Sound Professionals
Microphone Madness
DPA
Nevaton
Schoeps
...to a lesser extent, Core Sound

I've owned all but the Nevatons. It's a tough choice.  Right now I am comfortable with my CA-14's.  Don't let size or how you will stealth sway you. Stay focused on the quality and you'll engineer a way to comfortably record a concert. 

[Boctaper]

Ok,cool!
Church Audio it is

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEREO-MICROPHONES-PREAMP-4-R09-MT2-DAT-AND-MINIDISC_W0QQitemZ250296589780QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3281QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262


Anything else I need to have the whole set up?

Sony Pcm-D50<Church audio with Preamp,mic!

So I do forsure need a preamp? I can't just plug in a mic right into my Sony Pcm-d50? amp is just for better sound from the Mic?

[su6oxone]

Anything else I need to have the whole set up?

Sony Pcm-D50<Church audio with Preamp,mic!

So I do forsure need a preamp? I can't just plug in a mic right into my Sony Pcm-d50? amp is just for better sound from the Mic?

I believe you can run the CA-11 off plug-in power from the D50 (or R-09HR) if you get the '2.7k mod' for the CA-11 mics.  The preamp is necessary mostly if you need to add 'clean' gain, e.g. for quieter/acoustic type shows, although many believe that it also improves the sonic quality of your recordings.  The 9100 preamp, in my experience, is very quiet (low noise floor) so that you have less hiss when you need to boost levels 'in post' (editing on your computer).  But for loud rock shows, you could get away with just the mics with 2.7k mod and the D50.  I'm sure Mr. Church will chime in if that's incorrect. 

[Boctaper]

Cool! I can't wait to get started! Thanks for all the help

[Church-Audio]

Anything else I need to have the whole set up?

Sony Pcm-D50<Church audio with Preamp,mic!

So I do forsure need a preamp? I can't just plug in a mic right into my Sony Pcm-d50? amp is just for better sound from the Mic?

I believe you can run the CA-11 off plug-in power from the D50 (or R-09HR) if you get the '2.7k mod' for the CA-11 mics.  The preamp is necessary mostly if you need to add 'clean' gain, e.g. for quieter/acoustic type shows, although many believe that it also improves the sonic quality of your recordings.  The 9100 preamp, in my experience, is very quiet (low noise floor) so that you have less hiss when you need to boost levels 'in post' (editing on your computer).  But for loud rock shows, you could get away with just the mics with 2.7k mod and the D50.  I'm sure Mr. Church will chime in if that's incorrect. 

You cant run a pair of my mics directly from the D50 I dont think it has the same amount of bias voltage as the R09HR. Also one thing to keep in mind my preamp has less self noise then the D50 so depending on what your trying to record you might need an external preamp.

[Church-Audio]

Ok,cool!
Church Audio it is

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEREO-MICROPHONES-PREAMP-4-R09-MT2-DAT-AND-MINIDISC_W0QQitemZ250296589780QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3281QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262


Anything else I need to have the whole set up?

Sony Pcm-D50<Church audio with Preamp,mic!

So I do forsure need a preamp? I can't just plug in a mic right into my Sony Pcm-d50? amp is just for better sound from the Mic?

Dont get that setup. Its not good for what you want to do.
I dont want to get into selling in a public thread so if you have more questions please fire me off an email or a pm.

Chris

[cybergaloot]

Order from Chris here, not through eBay. You'll get a better deal. Give him plenty of time to build and ship (patience is a virtue) and you'll get a good product with excellent support.