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Crystal Cat
« on: November 11, 2004, 04:46:14 PM »
I'm sure most people here are familiar with the Crystal Cat releases (Springsteen, Dylan etc).

I was thinking, besides being a very skilled taper, what's the trick? Any ideas about what kind of equipment he uses..? Just wondering if it's a $3000 setup or $30000 or what...

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2004, 06:00:45 PM »
No idea what you're talking about. Sounds like a commercial bootlegger.  ???
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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2004, 06:21:19 PM »
I doubt he tapes them himself.  It is easy enough to get tapes and he resells stuff that isnt his. 

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2004, 06:45:24 PM »
never heard of em but if he's a smart bootlegger he doesn't tape it himself... that's too much overhead...
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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2004, 03:34:12 AM »
Yes, he is a commercial bootlegger, but he does tape, at least some of, his releases himself and the soundquality is usually great. Very upfront and clear.

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2004, 03:36:23 AM »
Yes, he is a commercial bootlegger, but he does tape, at least some of, his releases himself and the soundquality is usually great. Very upfront and clear.

so...what's your point?

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2004, 03:41:11 AM »
Yes, he is a commercial bootlegger, but he does tape, at least some of, his releases himself and the soundquality is usually great. Very upfront and clear.

so...what's your point?

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that he buys bootlegs on Ebay?

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2004, 04:33:56 AM »
so...what's your point?

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Well, the quality of the recordings. Not the fact that he's making money, but how he manages to make those recordings... I'm not really interested in having a discussion about commercial bootlegging, because, as we all know, it's the work of the devil. Is it that you have to be the devil to consistently make those recordings. I'm aware that makin money out the recordings helps him getting expensive equipment, but how expensive?


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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2004, 04:50:13 AM »
so...what's your point?

marc
Well, the quality of the recordings. Not the fact that he's making money, but how he manages to make those recordings... I'm not really interested in having a discussion about commercial bootlegging, because, as we all know, it's the work of the devil. Is it that you have to be the devil to consistently make those recordings. I'm aware that makin money out the recordings helps him getting expensive equipment, but how expensive?

ime, the $ amount of one's gear doesn't quite equate to the quality of the recording it yields, ESPECIALLY in a stealth situation.

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2004, 04:51:49 AM »
i bet there's a few people here that have dropped enuf money on their rig to buy a small used car...not to mention all the money spent upgrading to get those rigs.

plus, if he really is the taper, i doubt he pulls a high quality show every time...i've had several shows that i've taped that sound absolutely amazing and i've had several shows that sound like poo.  plus i bet all of those recordings he is selling have been doctored up as much as they can be in post production.


Because nothing says "I have lots of money and am sort of confused as to how to spend it" like Bose.

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2004, 05:23:19 AM »
plus, if he really is the taper, i doubt he pulls a high quality show every time...i've had several shows that i've taped that sound absolutely amazing and i've had several shows that sound like poo.  plus i bet all of those recordings he is selling have been doctored up as much as they can be in post production.

True. But for some reason he seems to make great recordings of all shows in Sweden, connections maybe...

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2004, 05:48:28 AM »
i dunno, are all the swedish shows from the same venue or venues...maybe the dood is a sound guy over there.


Because nothing says "I have lots of money and am sort of confused as to how to spend it" like Bose.

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2004, 05:55:30 AM »
Nope, always different venues and my guess is that Springsteen/Dylan and the likes bring their own sound crew. But he could have a connection to get the best tickets.

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2004, 06:04:03 AM »
many tapers that stealth have "friends" that'll hook them up with good tickets in return for a copy of the show.  at least with my experience with radiohead.  I know on the last tour many people that had pit tickets or even close seated tickets exchanged them to tapers so they could get a better tape.


Because nothing says "I have lots of money and am sort of confused as to how to spend it" like Bose.

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2004, 06:44:22 AM »
I wouldnt worry about how he does it.  I have tapes from many bands, some made by friends, some made by people I dont know that are better than crystal cat CDs.

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2004, 03:16:04 PM »
I wouldnt worry about how he does it.  I have tapes from many bands, some made by friends, some made by people I dont know that are better than crystal cat CDs.

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2004, 03:33:51 PM »
I've never heard of this guy Crystal Cat. Are any of his recordings archived or on BT?
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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2004, 03:35:18 PM »
I've never heard of this guy Crystal Cat. Are any of his recordings archived or on BT?

crystal cat is the name of the "manufacturer" that produces a whole bunch of commercially pressed bootlegs

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2004, 03:38:31 PM »
If the recordings are good, has anybody "liberated" them for free distribution? I'm curious now, I'd like to hear one.
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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2004, 03:40:11 PM »
If the recordings are good, has anybody "liberated" them for free distribution? I'm curious now, I'd like to hear one.


I think I have a springsteen silver of his....turns out it was a FM broadcast in Europe, and he just copied the radio station silvers.  I am guessing that is what he does quite a bit.

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2004, 03:50:34 PM »
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101-102 Bruce Springsteen: Prodigal Son
301-302 Rush: Atmospheric (03.06.92, Ahoy Hall, Rotterdam, The Netherlands)
303-304 Prince: Stagetronic (28.05.92, Rotterdam, The Netherlands)
305-306 U2: Dancing ZOO TV (11.06.92, Bloben, Stockholm, Sweden)
307-309 Bruce Springsteen: Living Proof (17.06.92, Globen Stockholm, Sweden)
310 Erasure: Audiovisual (11.07.92, London, UK)
311-313 Bruce Springsteen: Wembley Night (10.07.92, Wembley Arena, London, UK)
314-316 Metallica: Stone Cold Crazy (25.10.92, London, UK)
317 U2: Is This A Party Or What? (08.06.92, Scandinavium, Gothenburg, Sweden)
318-319 Peter Gabriel: One Of Us (13.04.93, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)
320 Bruce Springsteen: USA Blues (92-93, Various Locations)
321-323 Bruce Springsteen: Sheffield Night (15.04.93, Indoor Arena Sheffield, UK)
324-325 Depeche Mode: Devotional Tour (29.05.93, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)
326 Bruce Springsteen: You Better Not Touch (13.10.86, Shoreline Amphitheater, Mountain View CA, USA)
327-329 Bruce Springsteen: Meadowlands Night (24.06.93, Brendan Byrne Arena, The Meadowlands, East Rutherford NJ, USA)
330 Björk: Live Behaviour(19.12.93, The Academy, Manchester, UK)
331-332 Neil Young: Dream Machine (03.07.93, Rock Festival, Torhout, Belgium )
333-335 Bruce Springsteen: New York City Night (26.06.93, Madison Square Garden, New York City, NY, USA)
336-337 Deep Purple: In Your Trousers (13.11.93, Isstadion, Stockholm, Sweden)
338-339 Bruce Springsteen: All Those Nights (92-93, Various Locations)
340-341 Paul McCartney: Live Tonight (15.06.93, Charlotte, USA)
342-344 Bruce Springsteen: Roxy Night (07.07.78, The Roxy Theater, Los Angeles, CA, USA)
345 Bob Dylan: North Stage (14.08.94, Woodstock II, NY, USA)
346-348 Bruce Springsteen: Paramount Night (19.12.78, The Paramount Theater, Portland, OR, USA)
349-350 David Byrne: No Titles Please (10.02.94, Cirkus, Stockholm. Sweden)
350-353 Bruce Springsteen: Coliseum Night (29.12.80, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, Long Island, NY, USA)
354-356 Bruce Springsteen: Spectrum Night (15.07.81, The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA, USA)
357-359 Bruce Springsteen: Oakland Night (21.10.84, Oakland Coliseum, Oakland, CA, USA)
360-362 Bruce Springsteen: Kansas City Night (19.11.84, Kemper Arena, Kansas City, MI, USA)
363-364 Bruce Springsteen: Summer Night (03.07.88, Olympiastadion, Stockholm, Sweden)
365-366 Rolling Stones: Voodoo, I like it (03.06.95, Olympiastadion, Stockholm, Sweden)
367-368 Bob Dylan: Salt For Salt (29.06.95, The Spectrum, Oslo, Norway)
369-370 Bruce Springsteen: Sony & Tradewinds (22.07.95, The Tradewinds, Seabright, NJ, USA)
371-372 Neil Young & Pearl Jam: Live in Stockholm (12.08.95, Sj?toriska Mus饴, Stockholm, Sweden)
373-374 Neil Young & Pearl Jam: Live in Dublin (26.08.95, Royal Dublin Showgrounds, Dublin, Ireland)
375-376 Jethro Tull: Curious Riff (03.10.95, Stockholm, Sweden)
377 Neil Young: Farm Aid 94 (18.09.94, Superdome, New Orleans, Louisiana, USA)
378 Bruce Springsteen: You Better Not Touch Vol 2 (28.10.95, Shoreline Amphitheater, Mountain View, CA, USA)
379 Neil Young: Bridge Benefit 1995 (28.10.95, Shoreline Amphitheatre, Mountain View, CA, USA)
380-381 Bruce Springsteen: Berkeley Night (29.11.95, Berkeley Community Theater, Berkeley, CA, USA)
382 Bruce Springsteen: Philadelphia Night (08-09.12.95, The Tower Theater, Philadelphia, PA, USA)
383-384 Bob Dylan: Pledging My Time (26.10.95, Indiana U. Auditorium, Bloomington, IN, USA)
385-386 Bruce Springsteen: Hamburg Night (17.02.96, Congress Centrum HH, Saal 1, Hamburg, Germany)
387-389 Bruce Springsteen: Nassau Night (31.12.80, Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, Long Island, NY, USA)
390-391 Bruce Springsteen: Newcastle Night (02.03.96, City Hall, Newcastle, UK)
392-393 Bruce Springsteen: Cirkus Night (13.03.96, Cirkus, Stockholm, Sweden)
394-396 Bruce Springsteen: Brixton Nights (24.04.96, Brixton Academy, London, UK)
397-398 Bruce Springsteen: Milano Night (11.04.96, Teatro Smeraldo, Milan, Italy)
399-401 Bruce Springsteen: Berlin Night (19.04.96, International Congress Centrum, Berlin, Germany)
402-404 Bruce Springsteen: Waldb?ight (14.05.93, Waldb?mphitheater, Berlin, Germany)
405-406 Neil Young: Big Time With Crazy Horse (25.06.96, Sj?toriska Mus饴, Stockholm, Sweden)
407-410 Bob Dylan: Christiania (24.06.96, Christiania, Copenhagen, Denmark)
411-412 Patti Smith: Flashes in My Dreams (09.08.96, Stockholm)
413-414 Neil Young: Blue Notes (27.08.88, Jones Beach Music Center, NY, USA)
415 Bruce Springsteen: USA Blues Vol 2 (29.09.96, Severance Hall, Cleveland, OH, USA)
416-418 Bruce Springsteen: Independence Night (04.07.85, Wembley Stadium, London, UK)
419-420 Bruce Springsteen: Freehold Night (08.11.96, St. Rose Of Lima School, Freehold, NJ, USA)
421-423 Bruce Springsteen: Asbury Park Night (26.11.96, Paramount Theater, Asbury Park, NJ, USA)
424-425 Bruce Springsteen: Tokyo Night (31.07.97, Kokusai Forum Hall, International Forum Hall "A", Tokyo, Japan)
426-428 Bruce Springsteen: Sydney Night (12.02.97, The Capital Theatre, Sydney, Australia)
429-430 Bruce Springsteen: Paris Night (26.05.97, Palais Des Congr鳬 Paris, France)
431-432 Bruce Springsteen: Sony Studios (05.04.95, Sony Studios, New York City, NY, USA)
433 John Fogerty: Roskilde 1997 (26.06.97, Roskilde, Copenhagen, Denmark)

440-441 Rolling Stones: Sweet Home Chicago (25.09.97, Chicago, USA)
442-443 Bob Dylan: Lovesick At Wembley Arena (05.10.97, Wembley Arena, London, UK)

447-449 Bruce Springsteen: Bloomington Night (10.05.88, The Met Center Bloomington, Minneapolis, MI, USA)
450-451 Rolling Stones: Sweet Home New York City (17.01.98, Madison Suare Garden, New York City, NY, USA)
452-453 Bob Dylan: Madison Square Garden (21.01.98, Madison Square Garden, New York City, NY, USA)
454-456 Bruce Springsteen: Red Bank Night (31.01.98, Count Basie Theater, Red Bank, NJ, USA)

459-460 Rolling Stones: Atlantic City 1989 (19.12.89, Atlantic City, USA)
461-462 U2: New Years Night In Dublin (31.12.89, Dublin, Ireland)

464-466 Bob Dylan: At The Globe Arena (09.06.98, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)
467-468 Rolling Stones: Sweet Home Stockholm (08.09.98, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)
469-470 John Fogerty: The Complete Concert (11.09.98, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)
471-473 Bruce Springsteen: Winterland Night (15.12.78, Winterland, San Francisco, CA, USA)
474-475 Depeche Mode: Single Tour 1998 (12.09.98, Gothenburg, Sweden)
476-478 Bruce Springsteen: Passaic Night (19.09.78, Capitol Theater, Passaic, NJ, USA)
479-480 Bruce Springsteen: A Big Big Night (18.03.99, Convention Hall, Asbury Park, NJ, USA)
481-483 Bruce Springsteen: Alpine Valley Night (12.07.84, Alpine Valley Music Theater, East Troy, WI, USA)
484-485 Bruce Springsteen: Barcelona Night (11.04.99, Palau Sant Jordi Barcelona, Spain)
486-488 Bruce Springsteen: Milano Night 1999 (20.04.99, Filaforum, Assago, Milan, Italy)
489 Black Crowes: It's Rock'N'Roll (28.10.98, Paris, France)
490-492 Bruce Springsteen: Earls Court Night (21.05.99, Earls Court, London, UK)
493-495 Rolling Stones: Sweet Home London (11.06.99, Wembley, London, UK)
496-498 Bruce Springsteen: Arnhem Night (20.06.99, Gelredome, Arnhem, The Netherlands)
499-500 Bruce Springsteen: Bercy Night (03.06.99, Bercy Sportpalais, Paris, France)
501-503 Bruce Springsteen: New Jersey Nights (15.07-12.08.99, Continental Airlines Arena, East Rutherford, NJ, USA)
504-506 Bruce Springsteen: Olympic Stadium First Night (23.06.99, Olympiastadion, Stockholm, Sweden)
507-509 Bruce Springsteen: Olympic Stadium Second Night (24.06.99, Olympiastadion, Stockholm, Sweden)
510-511 Bruce Springsteen: Gent Night (27.05.99, Flanders Expo Hall, Ghent, Belgium)
512-513 Tom Waits: At The Cirkus (14.07.99, Cirkus, Stockholm, Sweden)
514-515 Black Crowes & J. Page: You Shook Me (19.10.99, Los Angeles, USA)

519-520 Bruce Springsteen: Boston Night (22.08.99, The Fleet Center, Boston, MA, USA)
521-523 Bruce Springsteen: Los Angeles Night (23.10.99, Staples Center, Los Angeles, CA, USA)
524-525 Neil Young: Festival Crazy Horse (07.07.96, Werchter)
526-527 Bob Dylan: Horsen Theater (21.05.00, NYA Teater, Horsens, Denmark)
528-530 Bruce Springsteen: Frisco Second Night (26.10.99, Oakland-Alameda County Arena, Oakland, CA, USA)
531-533 Bruce Springsteen: Frisco Third Night (28.10.99, Oakland-Alameda County Arena, Oakland, CA, USA)
534-536 Bruce Springsteen: Copenhagen Night (26.06.99, Copenhagen, Denmark)
537-539 Bruce Springsteen: Saturday Night (17.06.00, Madison Square Garden, New York City, NY, USA)
540-542 Bruce Springsteen: Legendary Night (01-07.00, Madison Square Garden, New York City, NY, USA)
543-544 Bruce Springsteen: Christmas Holiday Night (18.12.00, Convention Hall, Asbury Park, NJ, USA)
545-546 Bob Dylan: Oh Me! Oh My! Country Pie (18.05.00, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)
547-548 Bob Dylan: Dublin Vicar Street 2000 (13.09.00, Vicar Street, Dublin, Ireland)
549-550 Bob Dylan: Dublin The Point 2000 (14.09.00, Point Theatre, Dublin, Ireland)
551-552 Bob Dylan: Aberdeen 2000 (16.09.00, Aberdeen Exhibition & Conference Centre, Aberdeen, Scotland)
553-554 Bob Dylan: Glasgow 2000 (17.09.00, Scottish Exhibition & Conference Centre, Glasgow, Scotland)
555-556 Bob Dylan: Newcastle 2000 (19.09.00. Telewest Arena, Newcastle, UK)
557-558 Bob Dylan: Birmingham 2000 (20.09.00, National Exhibition Centre Arena, Birmingham, UK)
559-560 Bob Dylan: Sheffield 2000 (22.09.00, Sheffield Arena, Sheffield, England)
561-562 Bob Dylan: Cardiff 2000 (23.09.00, Cardiff International Arena, Wales, UK)
563-564 Bob Dylan: Portsmouth 2000 (24.09.00, Guildhall, Portsmouth, UK)
565-566 Bob Dylan: Portsmouth 2000 2nd Evening (25.09.00, Guildhall, Portsmouth, UK)
567-568 Bob Dylan: Frankfurt 2000 (29.09.00, Jahrhunderthalle, Menuhin Saal, Frankfurt, Germany)
569-570 Bob Dylan: M? 2000 (01.10.00, Halle M?land, M?, Germany)
571-572 Bob Dylan: Paris Le Zenith (03.10.00, Le Zentih, Paris, France)
573-574 Bob Dylan: London Wembley Arena 1st Evening 2000 (05.10.00, Wembley Arena, London, UK)
575-576 Bob Dylan: London Wembley Arena 2nd Evening 2000 (06.10.00, Wembley Arena, London, UK)
577-578 D'Angelo: Live At The Cirkus (08.07.00, Cirkus, Stockholm, Sweden)
579-580 U2: Elevation Tour 2001 - First Night (09.07.01, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)
581-582 U2: Elevation Tour 2001 - Second Night (10.07.01, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)
583-584 Neil Young: At Roskilde (29.06.01, Roskilde, Copenhagen, Denmark)
585-586 Bob Dylan: Bergen 2001 (26.06.01, Nygardsparken, Bergen, Norway)
587-588 Bob Dylan: Gothenburg 2001 (29.06.01, Tradgardsforeningen, Gothenburg, Sweden)
589-590 Bob Dylan: Borgholm 2001 (03.07.01, Slottsruinen, Borgholm, Sweden)
591-592 Depeche Mode: Exciter Tour 2001 (21.09.01, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)

595-596 Radiohead: Amnesiac Tour 2001 (08.09.01, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)
597-599 Neil Young: Rotterdam 2001 (24.07.01, Rotterdam, The Netherlands)
600-601 Neil Young: Rock Am Ring (18.05.02, Nurnberg, Germany)

604-605 Bob Dylan: Spokane Arena (05.10.01, Spokane, Washington, USA)
606-607 Neil Young: At The Globe (03.07.01, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)
608-609 Bob Dylan: Liverpool 2001 (21.07.01, King's Dock, Liverpool, UK)
610-611 Bob Dylan: Stirling 2001 (13.07.01, Stirling Castle, Stirling, Scotland)
612-614 Bruce Springsteen: Jingle Bell Night (07.12.01, Convention Hall, Asbury Park, NJ, USA)
615-616 Bob Dylan: Stockholm 2002 (05.04.02, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)
617-618 Bob Dylan: Oslo 2002 (07.04.02, Spektrum, Oslo, Norway)
619-620 Bob Dylan: Copenhagen 2002 (08.04.02, Forum, Copenhagen, Denmark)
621-622 Bob Dylan: Hamburg 2002 (09.04.02, Alsterdorfer Sporthalle, Hamburg, Germany)
623-624 Bob Dylan: Berlin 2002 (11.04.02, Berlin, Germany)
625-626 Bob Dylan: Brussels 2002 (28.04.02, Forest National, Brussels, Belgium)
627-628 Bob Dylan: Paris 1st Night 2002 (29.04.02, Le Zenith, Paris, France)
629-630 Bob Dylan: Paris 2nd Night 2002 (30.04.02, Le Zenith, Paris, France)
631-632 Bob Dylan: Rotterdam 2002 (02.05.02, Ah hoy Rotterdam, The Netherlands)
633-634 Bob Dylan: Brighton 2002 (04.05.02, Brighton, UK)
635-636 Bob Dylan: Bournemouth 2002 (05.05.02, Bournemouth, UK)
637-638 Bob Dylan: Cardiff 2002 (06.05.02, Cardiff, UK)
639-640 Bob Dylan: Newcastle 2002 (08.05.02, Newcastle, UK)
641-642 Bob Dylan: Manchester Night (09.05.02, MEN Arena, Manchester, UK)
643-644 Bob Dylan: Birmingham 2002 (10.05.02, NEC Arena, Birmingham, UK)
645-646 Bob Dylan: London First 2002 (11.05.02, Docklands Arena, London, England)
647-648 Bob Dylan: London Second 2002 (12.05.02, Docklands Arena, London, England)
649-650 Bruce Springsteen: Rehearsal Night (30.07.02, Convention Hall, Asbury Park, NJ, USA)
651-652 Bruce Springsteen: Opening Night (07.08.02, Continental Airlines Arena, East Rutherford, NJ, USA)
653-654 Bruce Springsteen: Tacoma Night (21.08.02, Tacoma Dome, Tacoma, WA, USA)
655-656 Bob Dylan: Newport 2002 (03.08.02, Apple & Eve Newport Folk Festival, Fort Adams State Park, Newport, RI, USA)
657-658 Bob Dylan: Red Bluff 2002 (7.10.02, Tehama County Fairgrounds, Red Bluff, California, USA)
659-660 Bob Dylan: Berkeley 2002 (11.10.02, Greek Theater, University of California, Berkeley, CA, USA)
661-663 Bruce Springsteen: Paris Night (14.10.02, Bercy, Paris, France)
664-666 Bruce Springsteen: Christmas Soul Night (08.12.03, Asbury Park)

670-671 Bruce Springsteen: Berlin Night (20.10.02, Velodrom, Berlin, Germany)
672-673 Bruce Springsteen: Rotterdam Night (22.10.02, Ahoy, Rotterdam, The Netherlands)
674-676 Bruce Springsteen: Stockholm Night (24.10.02, Globen, Stockholm, Sweden)
677-679 Bruce Springsteen: London Night (27.10.02, Wembley Arena, London, UK)
680-681 Bob Dylan: Kansas City 2002 (28.10.02, Uptown Theater, Kansas City, Missouri, USA)
682-683 Bob Dylan: St. Paul 2002 (30.10.02, St. Paul, Minnesota, USA)
684-686 Bruce Springsteen: Atlantic City Night (7.3.03, Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, NJ, USA)
687 Rolling Stones: Ultra Rare Lips, Vol. 1 (2003, Various Locations, USA)
688-690 Bruce Springsteen: DoubleTake Night (19.2.03, Somerville Theatre, Somerville, Boston, Mass, USA)
691-693 Bruce Springsteen: Feynoord Stadion Night (8.5.03, De Kuip Stadium, Rotterdam, The Netherlands)
694-696 Bruce Springsteen: Night After Night - London 2003 (27.5.03, Crystal Palace National Sports Arena, London, England)
697-699 Bruce Springsteen: Midsummer First Night (21.06.2003 Ullevi Stadium, Gothenburg, Sweden)
700-702 Bruce Springsteen: Midsummer Second Night (22.06.2003 Ullevi Stadium, Gothenburg, Sweden)
703-704 Neil Young: At The Cirkus (22.04.03, Cirkus, Stockholm, Sweden)
705-706 Rolling Stones: At The Olympia, Paris (11.07.03, Paris, France)
707-708 Rolling Stones: At The Cirkus, Stockholm (22.07.03, Cirkus, Stockholm, Sweden)
709-711 Bruce Springsteen: San Siro Night (28.06.03, Milan, Italy)
712-713 Iron Maiden: Stockholm Stadion 2003 (28.06.03, Stockholm Stadion, Stockholm, Sweden)
714-715 Rolling Stones: At The Astoria (27.08.03, London, UK)
716-717 Bob Dylan: Oslo 2003 (13.10.03, Spektrum, Oslo, Norway)
718-719 Kraftwerk: Stockholm 2004 (10.02.04, Cirkus, Stockholm, Sweden)

721-722 Bob Dylan: Wembley Arena 2003 (15.11.2003, Wembley Arena, London, UK)
723-724 Bob Dylan: Shepherds Bush Empire 2003 (23.11.2003, Shepherds Bush Empire, London, UK)
725-726 Bob Dylan: Hammersmith Apollo 2003 (24.11.2003, Hammersmith Apollo, London, UK)
727-728 Bob Dylan: Brixton Academy 2003 (25.11.2003, Brixton Academy, London, UK)
729-730 Bruce Springsteen: Main Point Night (5.2.1975, Main Point, Bryan Mawr, PA)
731-734 Bruce Springsteen: Agora Night ( 9.8.1978, Agora Ballroom, Cleveland, Ohio + Bonus disc: Interview, 9.7.1978, KBFH Radio, San Diego)
???-??? Bob Dylan: Bleeding Shadows


Not sure if all have been liberated yet.  Prolly all the Dylan.

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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2004, 04:07:21 PM »
Wow!
They are busy bootleggers aren't they.
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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2004, 04:50:13 AM »
Yes, of course he releases FM recordings too, he's a bootlegger... but that's beside the point. :)

Listen to one of the recordings from Sweden, this for example http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=9545, not the best he's done but good.

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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2004, 04:51:16 AM »
or this: http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=13666
probably a better recording than the last one.

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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2004, 11:03:31 AM »
what is it about them, sonically speaking, that you like so much? what are you listening on? just trying to see where you're coming from...
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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2004, 07:37:00 AM »
the up-front sound, which I guess could be accomplished by getting close to the speakers (getting close to the speakers in a 50000 seat stadium and not being on the floor kinda puzzles me, but oh well..) or maybe with hypers, not sure...?

also the clarity and resolution sounds better than something you'd get from $300 mics, so... :)
just out of curiosity, how much would one have to pay to attain that?

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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2004, 09:47:57 AM »
most of his tapes have some level of soundboard mixed in them, thus the "clarity" as you call it

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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2004, 11:26:22 AM »
just out of curiosity, how much would one have to pay to attain that?

a few thousand, easy... though it may be different for "stealth" taping but I doubt it.  I just sold off all of my gear and all told I probably had $5k in my rig.
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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2004, 11:28:17 AM »
oh yeah tim, shit, i prolly have 4k right now only on the filed recording rig + all the accessories
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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2004, 03:06:21 PM »
most of his tapes have some level of soundboard mixed in them, thus the "clarity" as you call it

that would explain it, but how do know?

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« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2004, 03:24:05 PM »
most of his tapes have some level of soundboard mixed in them, thus the "clarity" as you call it

that would explain it, but how do know?

alright, this is going to come off as a total asshole comment so let me apologize in advance.  But who really gives a shit what he uses to tape his shows?  Honestly I dont think he tapes them all, I think he takes FM silvers and other peoples tapes and sells them.  So he tapes a few big deal.  I have heard ALOT of tapes that are better than what crystal cat sells (Pearl Jam - Asheville as an example).  Bottom line he is a bootlegger and a thief....and since quality of the stuff he steals/sells is on par with tapes that are circulated daily, I am having a hard time understanding why we should care what he uses
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« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2004, 04:23:13 PM »
alright, this is going to come off as a total asshole comment so let me apologize in advance.  But who really gives a shit what he uses to tape his shows?  Honestly I dont think he tapes them all, I think he takes FM silvers and other peoples tapes and sells them.  So he tapes a few big deal.  I have heard ALOT of tapes that are better than what crystal cat sells (Pearl Jam - Asheville as an example).  Bottom line he is a bootlegger and a thief....and since quality of the stuff he steals/sells is on par with tapes that are circulated daily, I am having a hard time understanding why we should care what he uses

Forget that we said he's a commercial bootlegger. Let's say I heard some amazing recordings all coming from the same taper and was curious about how to reach that quality. For some reason the taper doesn't want to share his tricks, may I discuss it with the nice and knowledgable people on this board...?  :) This of course is irrelevent if this taper made average recordings like you say...

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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2004, 04:53:15 PM »
anyone know where I can contact this guy? he has donea few shows I would really like.

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« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2004, 06:00:49 PM »
alright, this is going to come off as a total asshole comment so let me apologize in advance.  But who really gives a shit what he uses to tape his shows?  Honestly I dont think he tapes them all, I think he takes FM silvers and other peoples tapes and sells them.  So he tapes a few big deal.  I have heard ALOT of tapes that are better than what crystal cat sells (Pearl Jam - Asheville as an example).  Bottom line he is a bootlegger and a thief....and since quality of the stuff he steals/sells is on par with tapes that are circulated daily, I am having a hard time understanding why we should care what he uses

Forget that we said he's a commercial bootlegger. Let's say I heard some amazing recordings all coming from the same taper and was curious about how to reach that quality. For some reason the taper doesn't want to share his tricks, may I discuss it with the nice and knowledgable people on this board...?  :) This of course is irrelevent if this taper made average recordings like you say...

point is, the tapes he sells (I am not calling them his recordings anymore) are not of better quality than alot of the tapes that I and others make on this board.  With the exception being the FM silvers which he sells.  Besides, you can search this board and find out that the most important parts of the hobby are luck, location and equipment in that order.  He is no different than anyone else in those regards (well actually yes he may be if he is able to get sprigsteen soundboards). 

I just dont see how this discussion is going to go any further with regards to "how does he make his tapes great" when he isnt here to answer for himself...nor do I want him here, as he and his company gives a bad name to us all

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« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2004, 06:01:17 PM »
Forget that we said he's a commercial bootlegger. Let's say I heard some amazing recordings all coming from the same taper and was curious about how to reach that quality. For some reason the taper doesn't want to share his tricks, may I discuss it with the nice and knowledgable people on this board...?  :) This of course is irrelevent if this taper made average recordings like you say...

It sounds to me like you may not have much experience with non-commercial live music, but you do have some experience with these Crystal Cat releases. You think that the Crystal Cat releases sound better than those non-commercial recordings you have heard and would like to be able to achieve this level of sound quality. I believe you are expecting a quick answer on what the best equipment is for recording live music. In essence, this whole board is an answer to exactly that question, and as you may discover by the large amount of information at this (and other similar sites), this is a difficult question to answer.

There is no perfect set of equipment for what you want. Some venues inherently sound like crap and even the most expensive setup won't help you there. But if you are looking for the best recording, I would get a ticket to a venue with good acoustics in the so-called "sweet spot" for that venue. This spot may not necessarily be front row, but it definitely isn't nose bleeds either. You will have to research this yourself. Next you will have to invest in a good quality set of microphones that you can easily sneak into the venue and keep hidden so you won't be ejected. If you want high-end stuff, it will cost you somewhere between $600 and $4000 a pair. You can spend even more, but that is a good range. You will also need equipment to provide power to the microphones, provide gain, convert the signal from analog to digital and something to record that digital signal with. All told you could easily drop $10K or more on a really nice stealth setup. More money doesn't necessarily mean that you will get a great recording though, but coupled with experience, luck and the above golden ticket, you will usually have recordings that some people will really like. It is often helpful to obtain a soundboard patch to mix this recording with an audience recording to produce something that may sound clear but has hints of room ambience as well as crowd noise. If the band doesn't allow audience recording of its concerts, I think you may find a soundboard patch difficult to obtain.

This person (or company) Crystal Cat takes advantage of fans of live recording by passing off the recordings freely circulated as his own and then selling them for profit. This pisses off the musicians and the people who legally profit off them. It also pisses off the people on this site because we spend a good deal of money and time to make these freely available because it is something we enjoy doing and the music industry typically views us in the same light as Crystal Cat and makes it as difficult as possible to do what we love to do.

You are asking what Crystal Cat uses, and the likely answer is that he uses OUR equipment which includes DPA, Schoeps, Neumann, MBHO, Microtech Geffell, AKG, Sony, Tascam, Oade, Grace, Apogee, etc products. How much does all this cost? I guess you would have to ask every taper he has taken advantage of and add it all up.

If you would like a good set of equipment to stealthily record concerts, I would read what different members use, listen to some of their FREE recordings and then buy the equipment you think consistantly makes the best recordings.
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Re: Crystal Cat
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2004, 06:06:32 PM »
anyone know where I can contact this guy? he has donea few shows I would really like.

I don't think you are going to make many friends on this board by expressing interest in purchasing illegal copies of concert recordings, thus supporting people who royally screw tapers and the bands we enjoy recording.

I know that doesn't tell you how to get copies of the recordings you want, so maybe a better strategy would be to find a message board or site that helps people trade recordings of the artists they like and post an ISO for the dates of the concerts you want.
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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2004, 06:46:45 PM »
It sounds to me like you may not have much experience with non-commercial live music, but you do have some experience with these Crystal Cat releases. You think that the Crystal Cat releases sound better than those non-commercial recordings you have heard and would like to be able to achieve this level of sound quality. I believe you are expecting a quick answer on what the best equipment is for recording live music. In essence, this whole board is an answer to exactly that question, and as you may discover by the large amount of information at this (and other similar sites), this is a difficult question to answer.

Yes and no. I've been taping myself, stealth and open, for about five years now but haven't really looked into the great pond of information about mics, pres, etc until lately. Once in a while I've pulled a tape that could've sounded as nice as the best CC release if it wasn't for the mics. I do know it takes a lot to make the best tapes, learned a lot from experience. I guess the question should've been: Everything else aside (location, venue acoustics, possible sbd patches etc) what kind of equipment would one need to be able to make a recording like Crystal Cat? And even if I do believe his recordings are really nice, I'm sure you make ones just as good, which makes this a great place to discuss this. Don't you think?
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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2004, 07:01:00 PM »
Wow. Way to go JohnW... I think you said what a few of us just haven't quite found the words to. +T man.
Forget that we said he's a commercial bootlegger. Let's say I heard some amazing recordings all coming from the same taper and was curious about how to reach that quality. For some reason the taper doesn't want to share his tricks, may I discuss it with the nice and knowledgable people on this board...?  :) This of course is irrelevent if this taper made average recordings like you say...

It sounds to me like you may not have much experience with non-commercial live music, but you do have some experience with these Crystal Cat releases. You think that the Crystal Cat releases sound better than those non-commercial recordings you have heard and would like to be able to achieve this level of sound quality. I believe you are expecting a quick answer on what the best equipment is for recording live music. In essence, this whole board is an answer to exactly that question, and as you may discover by the large amount of information at this (and other similar sites), this is a difficult question to answer.

There is no perfect set of equipment for what you want. Some venues inherently sound like crap and even the most expensive setup won't help you there. But if you are looking for the best recording, I would get a ticket to a venue with good acoustics in the so-called "sweet spot" for that venue. This spot may not necessarily be front row, but it definitely isn't nose bleeds either. You will have to research this yourself. Next you will have to invest in a good quality set of microphones that you can easily sneak into the venue and keep hidden so you won't be ejected. If you want high-end stuff, it will cost you somewhere between $600 and $4000 a pair. You can spend even more, but that is a good range. You will also need equipment to provide power to the microphones, provide gain, convert the signal from analog to digital and something to record that digital signal with. All told you could easily drop $10K or more on a really nice stealth setup. More money doesn't necessarily mean that you will get a great recording though, but coupled with experience, luck and the above golden ticket, you will usually have recordings that some people will really like. It is often helpful to obtain a soundboard patch to mix this recording with an audience recording to produce something that may sound clear but has hints of room ambience as well as crowd noise. If the band doesn't allow audience recording of its concerts, I think you may find a soundboard patch difficult to obtain.

This person (or company) Crystal Cat takes advantage of fans of live recording by passing off the recordings freely circulated as his own and then selling them for profit. This pisses off the musicians and the people who legally profit off them. It also pisses off the people on this site because we spend a good deal of money and time to make these freely available because it is something we enjoy doing and the music industry typically views us in the same light as Crystal Cat and makes it as difficult as possible to do what we love to do.

You are asking what Crystal Cat uses, and the likely answer is that he uses OUR equipment which includes DPA, Schoeps, Neumann, MBHO, Microtech Geffell, AKG, Sony, Tascam, Oade, Grace, Apogee, etc products. How much does all this cost? I guess you would have to ask every taper he has taken advantage of and add it all up.

If you would like a good set of equipment to stealthily record concerts, I would read what different members use, listen to some of their FREE recordings and then buy the equipment you think consistantly makes the best recordings.
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2004, 09:32:22 PM »
Thanks Tim - backatcha.

JaL - why don't you add your gear to your sig so we can tell what you are running? Like I said, since Crystal Cat doesn't list his sources, it would be hard to say what equipment he uses even if he is actually doing the taping himself.

I'm not saying that you are going to make killer tapes with this, but if I were going stealth and had enough $, I'd run DPA 4021 card in hat>MP2>M1 which would cost about $4000. Another cheaper option would be DPA 4061>MPS6030>M1 which I think would be about half that. Both would be easy to steath. I noticed that you aren't in the US, so this stuff might be cheaper/easier or harder to get in Sweden.
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