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Title: HDD Camcorder
Post by: Brian G on September 28, 2006, 01:39:34 PM
Has anyone used one of these.  My office is looking for a new video camera, we want to post some training sessions on our internal website. They look pretty cool and hooks up to a pc via usb 2.0 and records in MPEG format.  Specifically the JVC GZMG505U.

Any thoughts?


Edit:  never mind...I did not see the post a couple of topics back....
Title: Re: HDD Camcorder
Post by: BlackLab on September 28, 2006, 09:10:16 PM
you want to transfer via Firewire not USB un;ess you want to risk dropped frames
Title: Re: HDD Camcorder
Post by: F.O.Bean on September 28, 2006, 09:31:27 PM
you want to transfer via Firewire not USB un;ess you want to risk dropped frames

why is this?
Title: Re: HDD Camcorder
Post by: dunebug81 on September 28, 2006, 10:26:39 PM
you want to transfer via Firewire not USB un;ess you want to risk dropped frames

USB2.0 is 80mb faster then firewire....
Title: Re: HDD Camcorder
Post by: F.O.Bean on September 28, 2006, 10:33:22 PM
you want to transfer via Firewire not USB un;ess you want to risk dropped frames

USB2.0 is 80mb faster then firewire....

only faster than firewire 400, firewire 800 is the fastest
Title: Re: HDD Camcorder
Post by: dunebug81 on September 28, 2006, 10:38:42 PM
you want to transfer via Firewire not USB un;ess you want to risk dropped frames

USB2.0 is 80mb faster then firewire....

only faster than firewire 400, firewire 800 is the fastest

I was not aware there was a firewire 800.  Thats good to know.  I wonder if my ipod would use the extra speed that the firewire 800 offers.
Title: Re: HDD Camcorder
Post by: F.O.Bean on September 28, 2006, 11:35:31 PM
you want to transfer via Firewire not USB un;ess you want to risk dropped frames

USB2.0 is 80mb faster then firewire....

only faster than firewire 400, firewire 800 is the fastest

I was not aware there was a firewire 800.  Thats good to know.  I wonder if my ipod would use the extra speed that the firewire 800 offers.

it is prolly not made for FW 800 tho, so i doubt you could take advantage of the full 800, but i have no clue, ive never held an ipod so......
Title: Re: HDD Camcorder
Post by: taper420 on September 29, 2006, 05:26:19 AM
Actually I think I heard somewhere that USB 2 does 480 in bursts and firewire streams at 400 so it actually ends up averaging faster
Title: Re: HDD Camcorder
Post by: crunchy on October 08, 2006, 12:24:07 PM
yeah, I've heard that firewire transfers at a more consistant rate which makes it better for audio and video work
Title: Re: HDD Camcorder
Post by: BlackLab on October 12, 2006, 01:47:50 PM
exactly.
Title: Re: HDD Camcorder
Post by: Lil Kim Jong-Il on October 14, 2006, 09:19:01 AM
you want to transfer via Firewire not USB un;ess you want to risk dropped frames

Not always, it depends on the transfer mode.  Firewire is better for realtime transfers because it has a mode that allows link bandwidth to be reserved for the stream.  However, firewire's isochronous mode does not provide link layer error correction so you can get errors.   

Cameras that use a hard drive should be storing the video as a file just like on your PC.  Transfering a file object over firewire vs USB is pretty much the same thing with respect to link error correction.  The advantage to one over the other is just the block transfer rate.  I wouldn't have any concern about a USB interface on a hard drive based recorder if you are using file mode to transfer the recording.