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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2012, 11:23:14 AM »
Yea IMO it's kinda a waste. There are numerous schleps sit-ups out there and I doubt it will be much cheaper, if any at all, due to high cost for schleps parts
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2012, 11:32:59 AM »
Yea IMO it's kinda a waste. There are numerous schleps sit-ups out there and I doubt it will be much cheaper, if any at all, due to high cost for schleps parts

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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2012, 11:44:05 AM »
If it gives you the same functionality at a fraction of the costs, why not??

X2.  I'd buy if price was reasonable but I'm not that into actives to pay a grand or more just to be able to detach my capsules from the bodies.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2012, 12:50:27 PM »
If it gives you the same functionality at a fraction of the costs, why not??

X2.  I'd buy if price was reasonable but I'm not that into actives to pay a grand or more just to be able to detach my capsules from the bodies.


I think Bean's point is right, though - from what I know from buddies that have actually priced this stuff out, almost all the cost of, say, NBox cables is Schoeps proprietary parts that are very difficult if not impossible to reverse-engineer.  3D printing offers the most intriguing possibility, but as it stands now, somebody wanting to make NBox type cables would have a hard time pricing themselves much below used KCY/KC5 or, for that matter, the already-existing Vark KCY or the actual NBox cables.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2012, 03:17:48 PM »
It sounds like followinbob might be milling the individual components inside the colette, in which case there would be a substantial savings over Schoeps part. The most expensive component is $200 for the 'white plastic rings' because the active circuitry is mounted on the underside. When making 'nbox' cables, those parts are basically discarded and replaced with a different circuit, so you're essentially paying $200 for a piece of plastic. Definitely worth it to have these made... more so then the actual colette shell (which is only ~$60).

What would be really cool to do is mill colette shells that are approxamately the size of CMRs (extended approx 1 inch or so), then stuff a PFA circuit inside the colette shell rather than at the XLR end. This would be a true "poor man's" CCM.

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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2012, 05:06:12 PM »
You still need an XLR-M on the far side of the capsule, so I'm not sure what that would accomplish . . .

Would you not be able to use a mini xlr?

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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2012, 05:12:36 PM »
If the Schoeps parts can be duplicated in a cost effective manner, that's pretty cool news.  But keep in mind that used KC5 cables go for as little as $200, so it's really gotta be a pretty significant savings to merit the efforts.  I for one would love to see an active end with a right-angle cable output, not unlike the DPA 4021 (but obviously with the cap being removable.)  Anything to keep those cables from poking me in the forehead when running a Kangol Ventair setup.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2012, 07:58:22 PM »
You still need an XLR-M on the far side of the capsule, so I'm not sure what that would accomplish . . .

Would you not be able to use a mini xlr?

By far side I mean recorder end of the cable.

Oh ok. My line of thinking was circuitry in colette so you didn't need full size xlr for PFA, then run mini-xlr into a P48 tinybox.

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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2012, 09:39:48 PM »
i make mechanical components not electronics. i dont need a 3d printer. and i program the cnc's manually. most of the military parts i make are tiny.
my company's main gig is making drag racing parts. anything can be made. within reason. i am making myself some cool kangol hat clips to hold my capsule and get rid of the zip ties i normally use.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2012, 11:05:19 PM »
i make mechanical components not electronics. i dont need a 3d printer. and i program the cnc's manually. most of the military parts i make are tiny.
my company's main gig is making drag racing parts. anything can be made. within reason. i am making myself some cool kangol hat clips to hold my capsule and get rid of the zip ties i normally use.
So let's get you and Jon on the same page here :)
Can you mill collettes for Jon to put his electronics in?
Then I'll test them with my tb :D
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2012, 09:31:00 AM »
I will not be doing electronics for Schoeps collette internals as that product already exists and I've shipped dozens of boxes and PFAs to support Schoeps actives, both KC and Nbox (and a few CMRs, and CCMs . . .)
Oh I ment akg anyway
Who is with me lol
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2012, 10:35:33 AM »
i don't do the electronics end. i make the mechanical components.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2012, 11:28:25 AM »
i don't do the electronics end. i make the mechanical components.
i know
and if i understand correctly
jon has made electronics for akg
you put your collettes with his electronics and bam, test run
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2012, 12:39:50 PM »
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2012, 09:12:40 PM »
Best of luck AKG folks...I sold my Austrian Girlfriends to bank roll a couple of Swede's...

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