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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #75 on: November 08, 2012, 08:44:08 PM »
finished the collet prototype. going to send it off next week to be assembled and tested. we already have the circuitry to do the capsule side electronics.
when i get a akg body/capsule in my hand i will strat the akg cables.   i am used to sneaking in my cmc-6/mk4 and sd722 into shows so it will be nice
to go smaller. thinking of picking up a m-10 bit bucket to use with the cables and magic little box. will try to get the mic bar pictures up somewhere so i can
share that with you guys. it is natual aluminum and not colored at this point.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #76 on: November 09, 2012, 06:06:58 AM »
finished the collet prototype. going to send it off next week to be assembled and tested. we already have the circuitry to do the capsule side electronics.
when i get a akg body/capsule in my hand i will strat the akg cables.   i am used to sneaking in my cmc-6/mk4 and sd722 into shows so it will be nice
to go smaller. thinking of picking up a m-10 bit bucket to use with the cables and magic little box. will try to get the mic bar pictures up somewhere so i can
share that with you guys. it is natual aluminum and not colored at this point.

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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2012, 01:51:09 PM »
I think the disconnect has been whether you are trying to make full active cables for the AKGs/etc, including the necessary electronics, or whether you're trying to make just the mechanical collette needed for AKG actives.

For awhile there seemed to be a lot of confusion in the thread, seemingly indicating you only were intending to make the mechanical collettes without electronics. Which would mean it is a waste of time if nobody was willing or able to develop the needed electronics for assembly into the collettes. 

Since it seems like you're teaming with an electronics person to provide a complete solution all ready to go, I don't think it is a waste of time at all.  I've always felt that AKG actives is an example of if you build it, they will come.

Good post Todd. I officially retract my comment made on 10/29. I was one who thought all we had was another machinist. I stand corrected. My apologies to Bob.

That said, I guess I can finally tell my machinist I won't be ordering 40+ pairs of collettes. The prototypes he made for the project were sent out so long ago, the poor guys been asking me every couple weeks when he would get an order. I guess I'll just pay him for the prototypes and cancel any future dealings.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2012, 03:33:10 PM »
I think there is enough pent up demand (overall, not just here) for 20-30 pairs up front, and you could probably move upwards of 75 pairs over 12 months. Those are numbers that are approaching benefit in having stuff machined. The problem is few people want to assuming the financial risk to have everything machined and built only to move less than 75% of them right off. Pre-orders won't move them, it's something that a bunch will pick up, if they work well and people talk about them, the rest will get sold over a year or so. I'd be surprised at more than 100 sets though (assuming 2 per set for a stereo pair). Thats why I said everyone should pick up 2 sets (so 4 total), cause if anything happens and one gets crushed in a wook stampede, it's probably a one-time deal. Second, that makes that initial risk lower and thus increases the odds they get made.

That is absolutely the case.   Though in many respects, the machining is the easy part.

I'm at the point of being ready to move from prototypes to producing volume, but that needs to be funded. 

More difficult - I need the time to crank out sets, with great quality, and testing.  And also the time to deal with customer orders for various configs.  All while maintaining a career, and life.  I have made a huge investment of time, and not an insignificant amount in components and gear, getting to this point.  After all that, nobody wants to end up with a bunch of parts that you can't sell.

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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2012, 06:20:27 PM »
I am chomping at the bit Brian, but you know that already! I'm ready!

Your Guinea pig for testing,  ;)
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #80 on: November 13, 2012, 12:46:03 PM »
To your point about markets besides "us", it leads me to beg the question why did AKG themselves discontinue the product? (at least, they discontinued the MK46 cable, right?  I'm less clear about the bluelines I'm not arguing with you; I don't have the relevant information to. But I think it's worth asking.  Tapers aren't a very big part of the market; I don't deny it'd be awesome for us, but if someone wanted to make money on it, they might need someone besides us (especially since, if it was very costly, there are several other brands that don't require custom machining).

Which brings me to my next point:  In the real world market, several companies continue to find it worthwhile to have some kind (or in Schoeps' case, multiple kinds) of "active" solution: Beyerdynamic, DPA (more or less), Sennheiser, Schoeps, MBHO, Neumann, Milab, Busman, and I'm sure some I forgot.  AKG, the real-world manufacturer - and by the way, one of the bigger ones, with one of the biggest product lines compared to some of these others) exited that market.  What's the rationale?  My instinct is that AKG is probably selling way more pairs of mics (and they certainly have a more diverse product line) than any of those companies I listed.  Why are enough consumers buying, say, Beyer ck930 to make it worth their while, and not enough out there for AKG?

Yes, AKG discontinued the MK90/3 active cables for the Bluelines, I was lucky enough to pick up a used set.  Wish AKG would have improved them instead because the stock cable that they used had poor shielding.  I recently modded mine and am very satisfied with the result a HUGE improvement over stock.  It was an involved project that I'd been pushing off for quite a while but finally dug in after one of my stock cables acted up on me and couldn't be trusted anymore.

Some of the reasons I went with Blueline's; they are affordably priced, active cables were available and a fig 8 capsule is still available since I like to run ORTF or mid-side.  460/480 active cables would have made those more attractive for me but those don't have a fig 8 capsule available.  [followinbob] if you do eventually offer 460/480 active cables people will buy them but it is one of those believe it when we see it products that has come up fairly often but never happens.

Here is a photo I took of my MK90/3 active cables after completing the mod on them.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #81 on: November 13, 2012, 01:14:58 PM »
Nice mod digital ;)
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2012, 06:49:57 PM »
full active with amplifier in collet is what we are trying to do. sold as complete set. and other applications too hopefully.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2012, 07:36:53 PM »
full active with amplifier in collet is what we are trying to do. sold as complete set. and other applications too hopefully.

There would be a market for AKG Blueline Actives but this series would certainly present some steep challenges for you making them up from scratch.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #84 on: November 14, 2012, 07:56:22 PM »
full active with amplifier in collet is what we are trying to do. sold as complete set. and other applications too hopefully.

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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #85 on: November 14, 2012, 08:09:47 PM »
my friend used to have the blue lines. anything can be made. 
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« Reply #86 on: November 25, 2012, 05:26:58 PM »
schoeps colettes done.tested them last wednesday. have 9 pairs made. for sale in a few days with ends for the N box.  starting the akg's tomorrow. 
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #87 on: November 25, 2012, 06:00:57 PM »
nice!  I will be all over the AKG actives!  >:D
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #88 on: November 25, 2012, 07:12:22 PM »
hell yeah. and other mics too. both as active with bodies and also other powering options.  got some mic bars coming too.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #89 on: November 25, 2012, 07:38:36 PM »
schoeps colettes done.tested them last wednesday. have 9 pairs made. for sale in a few days with ends for the N box.  starting the akg's tomorrow. 

what exactly will you be selling ??? I have tried to follow your posts but I cant read them all ;)
Schoeps MK 4V & MK 41V ->
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