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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #195 on: January 10, 2013, 11:44:42 AM »
I like that long vark bar. :)

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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #196 on: January 10, 2013, 12:04:44 PM »
This may be a stupid question but do non-Schoeps collettes have the potential to affect the sound? Up until this point all prior listening comps done in the past used some form of Schoeps collette that I can think of.

Those do look really cool and I'm sure the Gefell folks are doing backflips that this is moving forward.

Well, really anything and everything has the potential to affect the sound of the system being considered.  Whether a particular person or whether humans in general can hear the difference is another matter, though I'm sure there are audiophiles out there that say they can.  Personally, I have a really hard time believing that a block of wood carved with some magical properties by Audioquest or whoever and placed under your speaker cables running over the floor can make a difference, yet these are actual marketed products.

Anyway, back to the point -- different wire/cable used with different dielectrics, different capacitance, etc can potentially affect the sound.  And different components in the collette (notably, choice of the FET used) can affect the sound, and mfg/design/layout of the electronics inside the collette can affect the sound.

I'd be hopeful that this impact would be pretty negligible.  Yet Brian/Itgoestoeleven who also has been working on an AKG active system for many months now seems to have been doing a lot of testing of various active cable designs (the electronics side, not the mechanical side) trying to get a design he is happy with.  I can't speak for him, but I assume this means he feels there are in fact differences in different designs/layouts/parts choices that he is trying to work through.

So all said, yes probably more tests and listening comps are in order once these new active systems start making their way into the taping community.  Always fun to have more comps, keeps us on our toes.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #197 on: January 10, 2013, 02:12:24 PM »
Since Nic of nbox fame designed the electronics I would think the Colette design would be very similar to the nbox's Colette's



There are already a few users out there running nbox cables > tinybox - I am sure this setup would sound almost identical to that
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #198 on: January 10, 2013, 03:31:37 PM »
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #199 on: January 10, 2013, 04:09:02 PM »
This may be a stupid question but do non-Schoeps collettes have the potential to affect the sound?

Definitely.

The components are hand selected and "tuned" for each genuine Schoeps collette.  It is an exacting and time consuming process that adds to the cost.  With no exceptions that I can think of, there are always good reasons for everything the Schoeps engineers do.

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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #200 on: January 10, 2013, 04:15:08 PM »
If you believe the Schoeps components may sound different than the NBox version, just ask Nick to make a set using the Schoeps components.  He offered to do so for me, and I may take him up on it.  I personally wanted to avoid the NBox version only because I already have a Tinybox wired for the Schoeps setup, and I'd rather not have two similar but incompatible setups.  I seriously doubt there's a sonic difference, but that's just my lay opinion.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #201 on: January 10, 2013, 04:36:14 PM »
I understand what you are saying and that makes perfect sense to me. Just for clarity in the thread the Nbox cables do use Schoeps KC collettes already. What you are saying (I think) is now Nick has the opportunity to use either a followingbob collette or the original Schoeps KC and there may be a difference in sound but it remains to be seen if anyone will be able to detect the difference.

Looking forward to comps when enough of these are in circulation.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #202 on: January 10, 2013, 04:44:31 PM »
The nbox uses Schoeps parts for the Colette but the electronics inside the Colette are custom and not the same design as what Schoeps uses
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #203 on: January 10, 2013, 04:56:41 PM »
The nbox uses Schoeps parts for the Colette but the electronics inside the Colette are custom and not the same design as what Schoeps uses

I never knew that. wow - cool.
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #204 on: January 10, 2013, 10:28:27 PM »
I like that long vark bar. :)

vark Robb Bar

if there are any extras layin around, i'd take one!

Ive been searching for one for awhile now, Guy :(
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #205 on: January 14, 2013, 12:09:50 AM »
Quick question: If I run my stock, full-bodied 480's from the back of a so-so theater, under a balcony (and by that I mean an echo chamber/ bass trap), in the furthest point either left or right vs. low-pro/stealth front and center, which would be the better tape?

Seriously. Which tape would you listen to?

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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #206 on: January 14, 2013, 10:13:46 AM »
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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #207 on: February 04, 2013, 10:02:44 PM »
For those that may have missed it, I recorded a show with the Schoeps collettes last week, turned out bvery nice

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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #208 on: March 02, 2013, 08:18:46 AM »
My first outing with Following bob and Nick's Active cables.  Half the show with a PFA and the other half with a tiny box.

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Re: akg 460/480 owners please read
« Reply #209 on: March 03, 2013, 01:25:23 AM »
Thanks Ted, Ill check in da morning :) One of my fav bands too :)
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