Topic: 722 First Impressions

[Brian]

in not sure its been said yet, but i believe it is also advantageous to run somwhat conservative at 24 bit to leave headoom for the dithered 16 bit version. but if its going to stay at 24 bit, then crank away. this what i always did, but ymmv.

at sample rates of 88.2 and above it's going to be VERY hard for the human ear to perceive/hear dither noise, aliasing, processing, etc. because all that noise lives up there in those extreme ultrasonic frequencies.  It's been my experience that when mixing at those sample rates and then resampling down to 44.1, followed by a dither, that it sounds much better than if I had recorded and mixed at 24/44.1.  However every dither has it's own sort of sound which can be anylized.  I think it really comes down to the choice of dither to get the right sound you want from 24 >16.

I guess I'm wondering what you meant by headroom for dither?

edited for spelling and grammar

[trajhip2000]

I'm not sure why you would need headroom for dither either. You *might* need it when resampling, since that step can give peaks higher than in the original file - altho I don't think the levels would go up more than a couple of tenths of a dB at most...

Steve

[BC]

I don't think resampling or dither should affect the peak level. Why would it?

You will definitely need headroom if you plan to eq your recording though.

[nickgregory]

well wont be running the limiter tomorrow...thanks to Scott for pointing this out of the manual:

When limiters are engaged audio on channels 1 and 2 is limited to -6 dBFS

[MattD]

That's not necessarily a bad thing, Nick. I'd still say it's worth trying, if it's an opener you don't care about.

[MattD]

I don't think resampling or dither should affect the peak level. Why would it?

It's possible that a sample that's just below 0 dBFS could have dither noise added to it to push it over. Same goes for the resampling algorithm - it may interpolate samples to be higher (or lower) than the original samples before and after that discrete time.

[nickgregory]

That's not necessarily a bad thing, Nick. I'd still say it's worth trying, if it's an opener you don't care about.

I may try it on the opnener....just dont want to run the risk of ruining the crowes tape...especially since George will be running 4022s into the R1...the MGs have to stand up to this challenge

[MattD]

We already know that the 4022s will smoke the MGs ... it's a question of the R1 vs. the 722.

(Actually on a pure rock show, the MGs are probably favored.)

[nickgregory]

(Actually on a pure rock show, the MGs are probably favored.)

thankfully you corrected yourself so I wouldnt have to

he is running 4022s to sax, then splitting one feed to the R1 and another to sbm to laptop...so it will be interesting to hear the R1s capabilities

[marc0789]

We already know that the 4022s will smoke the MGs ... it's a question of the R1 vs. the 722.

(Actually on a pure rock show, the MGs are probably favored.)

bull. in a good fob sound situation, same stand, nfw. imho.

[dmonterisi]

We already know that the 4022s will smoke the MGs ... it's a question of the R1 vs. the 722.

(Actually on a pure rock show, the MGs are probably favored.)

bull. in a good fob sound situation, same stand, nfw. imho.

i agree with the governor.

[Brian]

care to back those statements up gentleman?



my microphones are better than all of yours anyway

[dmonterisi]

well, i personally think the the non-colored off-axis response of the dpa's/b&k's really gives presence to loud rock recordings and the visceral impact they have.  one of my favorite tapes that i made with the 4022's (and one of the first) is the my morning jacket show from 1/31/04 @ 9:30 club (4022>v3).  the tape, imo, really captures the edge, presence and impact of the band and its sound incredibly well.  don't get me wrong, i *heart* nick's tapes of mmj from the same tour and they are without a doubt the best MG tapes i have heard.  but, i actually like my 930 tapes a bit better just because of the stark and non-colored nature of the tape, it really conveys what i heard and felt that night at the show.  I think the MG's smooth out the tape a little bit, which will be to some people's preference, but i like the unadulterated sound of the 4022's.  as usual, IMO, YMMV, yadda, yadda...

[Brian]

see that wasn't so hard

but you just compared your tape to an MG source of a different show at a different venue with a different PA, and different microphone locations and configurations.

your respnse was nothing more than why you like the DPA's.

you can see where this is going, hence my joke post above

[Ray76]

well, i personally think the the non-colored off-axis response of the dpa's/b&k's really gives presence to loud rock recordings and the visceral impact they have.  one of my favorite tapes that i made with the 4022's (and one of the first) is the my morning jacket show from 1/31/04 @ 9:30 club (4022>v3).  the tape, imo, really captures the edge, presence and impact of the band and its sound incredibly well.  don't get me wrong, i *heart* nick's tapes of mmj from the same tour and they are without a doubt the best MG tapes i have heard.  but, i actually like my 930 tapes a bit better just because of the stark and non-colored nature of the tape, it really conveys what i heard and felt that night at the show.  I think the MG's smooth out the tape a little bit, which will be to some people's preference, but i like the unadulterated sound of the 4022's.  as usual, IMO, YMMV, yadda, yadda...

Damon, what will a pair of those go for about??I was lookin at 4061s, but dont really want omnis. I want some dpas as a stealth set. Think theyd go well with a m2??I hope to own all my new gear by mid summer.

Ray