Ran a friend's brand new A10 for Dylan last week. The thing really is even smaller than I thought it would be. I was right on the center aisle so didn't want to take the recorder out of my pocket to set levels, it was great to be able to start the recording and set levels with the app! Recording turned out great.
Bob Dylan 2019-10-22 Stifel Theater, St. Louis, MO
Schoeps MK41>BabyNBox>A10
https://we.tl/t-6xMpWvVSzc (https://we.tl/t-6xMpWvVSzc)
- If you do stealth, use this.
- If you do stealth, use this.
That's it.
Really,
- No recording unit is smaller.
- For taping: Hook it up. Put it on. Press ok for Audio in. Hit record. Set to hold. Adjust recordlevel with the app.
- The app is very stable to me (Huawei phone)
- Bit hot maybe (with the Naiant pre i can do without extra gain, but this depends on your mics)
- Battery lasts forever
Agree about the app; love the fact that it's SO easy to use. My buddy doesn't see the point why I love it since it's not that hard to pull out an M10 and look but I love the fact that I'm simply "looking at my phone."
Out of interest, can I ask why you run XY? Do you get good results?
I also run AT831s open, and usually DIN (actually they're a little closer together than DIN, but still facing at 90° to each other).
Nice setup. Any idea if the internal batteries can be accessed and changed, if necessary, for more longevity of the deck?
Nice setup. Any idea if the internal batteries can be accessed and changed, if necessary, for more longevity of the deck?
yes i tore mine down and posted battery pics and links in first thread
Nice setup. Any idea if the internal batteries can be accessed and changed, if necessary, for more longevity of the deck?
yes i tore mine down and posted battery pics and links in first thread
Thanks I look back for it.
AJ, what are the mics in your pics? Look like a nice small set, can you show them with the clips you use?
If the file size reaches the maximum limit (4 GB for an LPCM file, and 1 GB for an MP3 file) during recording, the file will be divided due to system limitations.
^ It's a limitation of the wav file format. Maximum file size is 4 GiB (= 4.29 GB). I'd be very surprised if the split isn't seamless (it has been on other Sony recorders)...
Any advice on micro SD cards for the A10? I don’t need more than 32 gb. When I had m10s I ran Sandisk Ultra, but just want to make sure it’s the most stable option.
Thanks!
Any advice on micro SD cards for the A10? I don’t need more than 32 gb. When I had m10s I ran Sandisk Ultra, but just want to make sure it’s the most stable option.
Thanks!
Would a pre-amp / bb serve me better? Perhaps. But having the extra connectors and gear and battery charging issues to contend with is a drawback for me.
Would a pre-amp / bb serve me better? Perhaps. But having the extra connectors and gear and battery charging issues to contend with is a drawback for me.
Just in case you don't know this - a 9 volt battery in a battery box will last for probably at least 50 hours. Maybe (much?) longer. It lasts so long, that I really don't even try to keep track. I just periodically check the strength of the battery after several shows.
Thank you for your remarks.
I was thinking of replacing my m10 and ca-9100 preamp with an a10 and ca-ugly 2 to reduce the size of my rig but from what I read I might end up with inferior recording quality. Following your replies I should skip this plan.
:hmmm:
Just when I thought I saved some money...
Anyone knows if the electronics, the analog to digital converter, etc are on the same level?
:hmmm:
Just when I thought I saved some money...
Anyone knows if the electronics, the analog to digital converter, etc are on the same level?
whether a CA 9100 is equivalent to a CA ugly is a question for chris
i have yet to see a single complaint from a person who replaced their M10 with an A10
if you want to see if you can hear a difference there is A10 vs R07 vs tascam dr100mk3 (as well as the 16bit sony ICD-UX560) at the link below.. the tascam has way better specs than any of the handhelds. see if the difference is audible to *your* ears
https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=192831.0
Finally realized that what I don’t care for is the A10s roll off. Not my piece of cake, I tend to not like and am not good at real processing.
So I pulled the trigger, man this fucker is tiny.
So I know I should read the thread, but if anyone can save me an hour I’d appreciate-“audio in” is live in, right.
Thanks!
So I pulled the trigger, man this fucker is tiny.
So I know I should read the thread, but if anyone can save me an hour I’d appreciate-“audio in” is live in, right.
Thanks!
yup, "audio in" is line in :-)
So I’m gonna roll the A10 for the first time, Maceo Parker 😈 4v>nbobs>babynbox>A10. What’s an educated guess for a safety level? I have the record app but still want some sort of benchmark from which to adjust. FOB/DFC/25’ in a 2-3k room.
Thanks!
So I’m gonna roll the A10 for the first time, Maceo Parker 😈 4v>nbobs>babynbox>A10. What’s an educated guess for a safety level? I have the record app but still want some sort of benchmark from which to adjust. FOB/DFC/25’ in a 2-3k room.
Thanks!
I'd start with audio in around 10
I have run my new A-10 twice now.
First night on stage, with limiter, record level 6, and it kept the peaks down below zero, but flattened the tops of level peaks.
Second night I ran in back of the room without limiters, and again, only monitored with the app due to placement. This time, I ape the levels mostly out of the red (lowered them when they tagged it) but the file has lots of clipped peaks of over.
Are level indications on the app inaccurate? Was this mentioned earlier? Thanks.
:shrug:
Interestingly, I can pair the Sony and also use the sound devices bluetooth just by switching apps!
On the second night, did you have your mics run through any kind of mix/pre? I ran into a problem where my preamp overloaded internally, but my levels were fine on the A10 and I wasnt aware until listening later.No, I have fancy unreliable gear from other manufacturers all patched in with my good mics as my "A" unit, so this is just my backup with internal mics.
So I’m gonna roll the A10 for the first time, Maceo Parker 😈 4v>nbobs>babynbox>A10. What’s an educated guess for a safety level? I have the record app but still want some sort of benchmark from which to adjust. FOB/DFC/25’ in a 2-3k room.
Thanks!
I'd start with audio in around 10
So I’m gonna roll the A10 for the first time, Maceo Parker 😈 4v>nbobs>babynbox>A10. What’s an educated guess for a safety level? I have the record app but still want some sort of benchmark from which to adjust. FOB/DFC/25’ in a 2-3k room.
Thanks!
I'd start with audio in around 10
this. and remember audio in is 0-30 so 10 isnt as low as it seems
I don't imagine you'll have to use the preamp for amplified music. I haven't, at least.
I ran line in with MK41>BabyNBox for Dylan with good results.I don't imagine you'll have to use the preamp for amplified music. I haven't, at least.
Running a babynbox in front means I’ll need mic in. No gain from the babynbox
I ran line in with MK41>BabyNBox for Dylan with good results.Any recollection (or screen shot) of the level setting for that? ... just for reference...
I ran line in with MK41>BabyNBox for Dylan with good results.I don't imagine you'll have to use the preamp for amplified music. I haven't, at least.
Running a babynbox in front means I’ll need mic in. No gain from the babynbox
I started at 12 and ended up at 16. Could have definitely bumped up a few more but was being conservative for the first time out.I ran line in with MK41>BabyNBox for Dylan with good results.Any recollection (or screen shot) of the level setting for that? ... just for reference...
Has this unit been updated to prevent unauthorized Bluetooth access? I remember reading that anyone with the phone app and in Bluetooth range could load the app and control your unit. Is this still the case?
So I’m gonna roll the A10 for the first time, Maceo Parker 😈 4v>nbobs>babynbox>A10. What’s an educated guess for a safety level? I have the record app but still want some sort of benchmark from which to adjust. FOB/DFC/25’ in a 2-3k room.
Thanks!
So I’m gonna roll the A10 for the first time, Maceo Parker 😈 4v>nbobs>babynbox>A10. What’s an educated guess for a safety level? I have the record app but still want some sort of benchmark from which to adjust. FOB/DFC/25’ in a 2-3k room.
Thanks!
How'd the show turn out? Can we hear the recording?
The type of card I am using is a Sandisk Ultra Plus 128 GB V10 MicroSDXC
Anyone else notice this?
The type of card I am using is a Sandisk Ultra Plus 128 GB V10 MicroSDXC
Anyone else notice this?
try a 32GB sdhc. my a10 didnt like large cards, and sdhc outperformed sdxc in every test ive tried
MIC IN or Audio IN?
MIC IN or Audio IN?
Audio IN.
Is there a way to switch between MIC IN and Audio IN via the app, btw? I'm not seeing one.
maybe you can adjust time out in menu?
fortunately it boots up almost instantly.
my R07 can be 15+ seconds sometimes to boot up and find the sd card
fortunately it boots up almost instantly.
my R07 can be 15+ seconds sometimes to boot up and find the sd card
The sound mic in is very solid. Ran for a set the other night. A keeper.
Anyway, A10, I had very very very minor clips during my 3rd show and they sound HORRIBLE, screeching noise and just terrible. Tried to reduce the amp, normalize, used Declip in Audacity. Can’t get them to sound good. This is so weird, how can such a mild clip sound so bad? I’ve never had this issue with the R09HR. Is the A10 A-D converter that bad at clipped input audio?
This is rather worrisome. Sure I can reduce the record level on the fly with my phone but who wants to look at it constantly? With the R09HR I set it and forgot it. If it clipped, never had any issues.
Any input?
This is rather worrisome. Sure I can reduce the record level on the fly with my phone but who wants to look at it constantly? With the R09HR I set it and forgot it. If it clipped, never had any issues.
Any input?
Did you have the limiter turned on? That's what I've always used as a safeguard against clipping (on both M10 and A10), and it's served me well.
If you were running at -12dB, why did you change your setup? If you are running 24 bit, that is a fine shoot to be.
Did you have the limiter turned on? That's what I've always used as a safeguard against clipping (on both M10 and A10), and it's served me well.I tried the A10 without the limiter and it makes bad sounding peaks. With the limiter 0dB peaks don't sound bad at all.
What does running 24/96 have to do with clipping or not? Running 24 bit let's you run lower without fear of clipping so you can raise the levels without raising the noise too.If you were running at -12dB, why did you change your setup? If you are running 24 bit, that is a fine shoot to be.
Just wanted to run the gamut on this new deck. Been using the R09HR for 10(?) plus years. Was doing 24/96, this is pretty bad if you clip on the A10 and you get noise like that. 24/96 should have no problem with clipping.
Running 24 bit let's you run lower without fear of clipping so you can raise the levels without raising the noise too.
Running 24 bit let's you run lower without fear of clipping so you can raise the levels without raising the noise too.
to an extent.
the noise floor of the A10 is closer to 16 bit than 24bit in resolution
Running 24 bit let's you run lower without fear of clipping so you can raise the levels without raising the noise too.
to an extent.
the noise floor of the A10 is closer to 16 bit than 24bit in resolution
Do you know if there is a comparison of the A10 vs R09HR noise floor?
Did you have the limiter turned on? That's what I've always used as a safeguard against clipping (on both M10 and A10), and it's served me well.I tried the A10 without the limiter and it makes bad sounding peaks. With the limiter 0dB peaks don't sound bad at all.
For the record, I've run my M10 with limiter for about ten years.
Came across this nearly year-old review of various recorders: Sony D100, A10, M10, D10 and an Olympus recorder.
https://mindful-audio.com/blog/handheld-recorder-review
He's recording nature so having quiet self noise is more important to him than it is for recording live music.
This is his recent youtube video about his technique for recording nature sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3BerSX5uQ&feature=youtu.be
edit...
The d10 could be the perfect recorder, if they allowed four channels simultaneously. The less expensive Tascam DR-40x records four channels but probably too noisy for this guy's work.
Isn't the solution to run more conservatively rather than push the levels close to 0 dB?
Seems like he beats up on the A10 for noise because of the built-in mics. I don’t see any thoughts on line-in with that device which we know works pretty wellCame across this nearly year-old review of various recorders: Sony D100, A10, M10, D10 and an Olympus recorder.
https://mindful-audio.com/blog/handheld-recorder-review
He's recording nature so having quiet self noise is more important to him than it is for recording live music.
This is his recent youtube video about his technique for recording nature sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3BerSX5uQ&feature=youtu.be
edit...
The d10 could be the perfect recorder, if they allowed four channels simultaneously. The less expensive Tascam DR-40x records four channels but probably too noisy for this guy's work.
it works very well for my purpose, which is recording amplified live music.
Clean the plug and jack and report back.
Go to the drug store and get some 90+ alcohol and some of those little brush-tipped things used to clean between teeth (the ones just big enough to fit in the plug). Saturate the brush with the alcohol and swab the inside of the socket while making sure that the open end of the socket is facing down to keep excess alcohol from running into the recorder itself. Use a fresh brush, again with alcohol, to swab the outside of the plug that goes into the socket. Let dry and try. Please report back. I am planning to buy an A10 but this could be a deal breaker for me.
they are similar : http://www.avisoft.com/recorder-tests/
all those handhelds operate in a similar range, 70-115 dB dynamic range depending on gain. average around 90 95 dB in normal use (16 bit = 96 dB of dynamic range. 24bit =144 dB of dynamic range). so there is a slight advantage of using 24-bit, which can be close to negligible with levels peaking anywhere close to correctly (say above -20dB)
silly question, but have you tried swapping the RCAs on the input side to positively narrow it down to the A10?
silly question, but have you tried swapping the RCAs on the input side to positively narrow it down to the A10?
Quick question: Have any other PCM-A10 owners experienced the recorder's Right channel failing? A friend and I were early adopters of the A10 - I assume we both got the first batch delivered from Japan. About 4 months ago, my Right channel (Input jack only) began to fail. First, the right channel gain was slightly lower than the Left, a few days later, much lower, and eventually completely dead. Both channels worked fine through the internal mics - the problem is limited to the input jack.I just realized that I NEVER even tried the line input on this thing.
Just wondering if this is a common with the A10? Anyone else have this happen?
Did it work?Nope. I contacted Pro Support, so I now have a case number, and they say they'll get back to me. I will keep this thread updated as to progress.
Spoke to Sean at Sony Pro Support in New Jersey.Did it work?Nope. I contacted Pro Support, so I now have a case number, and they say they'll get back to me. I will keep this thread updated as to progress.
Spoke to Sean at Sony Pro Support in New Jersey.
We went through a reset, and checked to see if auto levels or mic mode made any difference to the input issue.
No difference, so I'm gonna send it it for a warranty claim. It comes with a year warranty so I should be good.
If anyone else wants to go through support, the phones are shut down right now, but you can email Sony Pro support in Jersey to get going. They will create a case number and get your info, and probably have you send it in if it can't be resolved with normal operation options.
You'll probably end up talking to Sean, he said he's the only one in the shop right now.
https://pro.sony/ue_US/product-resources/knowledge-panel/professional-warranty-information
I will try and test mine also. If there's a pattern, hopefully Sony can drop a firmware fix.A brand new, sealed PCMA10 arrived today via FedEx 2-day, from Sony service in New Jersey.
my channels are different by ~0.35 dBI don't know what the factory specs are supposed to be, but if it's rated as better than that and within warranty, then I would contact pro support and ask them. If you've literally gone through my steps above, they might tell you to send it in. Bet you have other recorders to use on that giant cylinder with rounded bottom project!??!
what do?
my channels are different by ~0.35 dBI don't know what the factory specs are supposed to be, but if it's rated as better than that and within warranty, then I would contact pro support and ask them. If you've literally gone through my steps above, they might tell you to send it in. Bet you have other recorders to use on that giant cylinder with rounded bottom project!??!
what do?
Is the A10 a good recorder for recording PiP mics? I don't really care for XLR. I would like to leave the recorder out overnight and record for very long periods of time (yes I want to make a drop rig, as George Vlad likes to call them) and the Sony recorders seem to have good battery lives.
I just noticed something about the A10 which I don't like very much...
The built-in USB connector only runs at USB2 speed, not USB3.
For fastest file transfers, it is thus necessary to record to the microSD card, and physically remove the card to insert directly into a USB3 (or better) speed card reader.
#Cheap
I just noticed something about the A10 which I don't like very much...
The built-in USB connector only runs at USB2 speed, not USB3.
For fastest file transfers, it is thus necessary to record to the microSD card, and physically remove the card to insert directly into a USB3 (or better) speed card reader.
#Cheap
Nope. Even the SD recorders are USB 2.0NO WONDER IT IS SO SLOW?!!!
On a side note: would the good folks here rather go for a A10 or a second-hand M10?
Ralf
Does anyone remember dubbing a cassette or two in real time?
Does anyone remember dubbing a cassette or two in real time?I remember paying for Circuit City's service contract and getting replacement dubbing decks every third time they needed speed adjustment, since they had a policy not to make the same repair three times on the same deck.
Go for the A10, the bluetooth functionality is worth it alone.
Does anyone remember dubbing a cassette or two in real time?
Does anyone remember dubbing a cassette or two in real time?
Back in the day, this band I liked played very frequently, many times at venues around the Bay Area. Before a set of shows, 4 or 5 friends would drop their cassette decks and a box of tapes with me. Each night I'd get home in SF 12-1, unpack my D-5M, and put it on top of a tower of decks that were daisy chained together. Loaded them all with blanks and put them in record/pause. I could unpause 4 at a time, then unpause my D-5M for playback plus any other recording decks. Would usually get at least first tape dubbed before sleeping then wake up and finish.
Friends all committed to make at least 5 copies for others in the tree, so we could get shows circulating without a whole lot of muss/fuss. I was running km84i's and that was somewhat unusual, so there was interest in the recordings.
Beta decks were more expensive, so we only had 2 SL-2000's at our house in Oakland, makingoffsite backupsharing a bit slower.
Mostly used Panasonic home DATs and Sony portables. No flips made it easier, but the thrill was going.
Now I seed torrents and have a dropbox archive for file sharing, and clone and mail hard drives full of shows. Very efficient, but somehow less satisfying for this dinosaur.
Looking over your sig, seems like you have a rig that you've used before as well as the new hotness.
If that's the case, then my recommendation is:
1. Set up your old rig in a room with a stereo that you can turn up a bit. Place mics pretty close to speakers, set rig to usual gain for a show, then turn up stereo until you see usual levels.
2. Set up new rig w mics similarly situated, play stereo at previously determined loudness, then adjust gain on A10 until you're happy.
Not perfect, but has always worked for me for getting rough idea of starting point for new gear.
Hope that was clear; please let me know if I can unconfuse anything.
Just got this little guy in today. I thought about saying something about how small it is ... but figured so many others ... oh fuck it ... I'll just go ahead then, THIS THING IS TINY!!!!
So in the Settings > Recording Settings menu -- there are a couple of settings I'm wondering about.
Recording Filter
NCF (Noise Cut) OFF
LCF (Low Cut) OFF
LIMITER OFF
ON
OFF
I will be running the A10 as: MK41s > Nbob Actives > Nbox Baby or Platinum > A10 > (24/96) -- usually at moderately to very loud shows.
Which of the two options under Recording Filter (NCF or LCF) and LIMITER (ON or OFF) should I start out using?
I've asked a few folks at Dime who are running the exact same rig I'm using (one with a Baby Nbox and the other with the Platinum) who both record in similar circumstances about input levels, and the Baby box user said 5-6; and the Platinum user said between 3-5. I see others in these A10 threads using much higher input levels, but they aren't using Nboxes. I haven't even tried it out yet, so obviously, I'll learn plenty when I get out there. But just wanted to ask here if this sounds right.
Just got this little guy in today. I thought about saying something about how small it is ... but figured so many others ... oh fuck it ... I'll just go ahead then, THIS THING IS TINY!!!!
So in the Settings > Recording Settings menu -- there are a couple of settings I'm wondering about.
Recording Filter
NCF (Noise Cut) OFF
LCF (Low Cut) OFF
LIMITER OFF
ON
OFF
I will be running the A10 as: MK41s > Nbob Actives > Nbox Baby or Platinum > A10 > (24/96) -- usually at moderately to very loud shows.
Which of the two options under Recording Filter (NCF or LCF) and LIMITER (ON or OFF) should I start out using?
I've asked a few folks at Dime who are running the exact same rig I'm using (one with a Baby Nbox and the other with the Platinum) who both record in similar circumstances about input levels, and the Baby box user said 5-6; and the Platinum user said between 3-5. I see others in these A10 threads using much higher input levels, but they aren't using Nboxes. I haven't even tried it out yet, so obviously, I'll learn plenty when I get out there. But just wanted to ask here if this sounds right.
LIMITERI use the limiter. Use the mobile app and you can toggle it on and off while recording and watching levels.
ON
OFF
Improved stability and performance.
Is there any consensus on the headroom and/or sound quality of the internal mics? I know that taping with internals is mostly looked down on (sometimes for good reason), but I am very curious. The idea of throwing the unit in a hat and controlling it from my phone without fussing with any mic cables or battery boxes is a super appealing minimalist fantasy.
Is there any consensus on the headroom and/or sound quality of the internal mics? I know that taping with internals is mostly looked down on (sometimes for good reason), but I am very curious. The idea of throwing the unit in a hat and controlling it from my phone without fussing with any mic cables or battery boxes is a super appealing minimalist fantasy.I'd say it sounds pretty good for rock and roll. Certainly compares to other handhelds.
New version of REC Remote for Android promisingv3.2.0 is now available for Apple iOS as well. Gonna try running it on my M1 Big Sur to see if it functions?! Uh, no.QuoteImproved stability and performance.
I never had any stability or performance issues with the previous version and don't recall seeing any reports of that here?
"Oh.This app is available only on the App Store for iPhone."
This might have been mentioned here before...That could save someone's bacon. Thanks!
The other day, before a show, I charged the A10 plugged into my mac. I forgot that it would be connected, so i just disconnected it physically when charging was done. Then the A10 said "The SD card needs to be formatted". I went into panic mode for a second or two...
The solution turned out to be simple. I plugged it back into the mac, waiting till the disks were connected, then ejected them properly before disconnecting, and the error message was gone.
Just thought I would mention this in case anyone ends up in the same situation...
-c
Quick question.... What are the best setting when at a metal show and a 1 is clipping. Schoeps to an nBox to the a10. Manual on line in
Quick question.... What are the best setting when at a metal show and a 1 is clipping. Schoeps to an nBox to the a10. Manual on line in
Baby nbox ;D
The regular nbox is 20db of fixed gain, right?
Quick question.... What are the best setting when at a metal show and a 1 is clipping. Schoeps to an nBox to the a10. Manual on line inresistive pad cable?
Interesting question (and I'm sure it's possibly been asked). My original A10 was a "demo unit" supplied by Sony to the person I bought it from on eBay. It has the manufacturing number (and all text is in English) -- this was in the first 300 units made.
My secondary A10 just arrived from Amazon; it has the manufacturing number along the bottom in the same spot but it also has some Chinese text alongside the English text on the back and a manufacturing date stamped into the unit. Is this normal? Or this is a bootleg unit?
I've seen pictures of both on eBay and on the internet.
Thanks all!
It's got an FCC ID number printed on it, so I assume it's for the USA market.
Lettering is all English except it does say "Fabriqué En Chine" in French.
I sent my first one back to Sony service in New Jersey, due to unequal levels (left channel was low) and got back PCM-A10 #1000694.
It's got an FCC ID number printed on it, so I assume it's for the USA market.
Lettering is all English except it does say "Fabriqué En Chine" in French.
No production date that I can see
Yeah second one is fineI sent my first one back to Sony service in New Jersey, due to unequal levels (left channel was low) and got back PCM-A10 #1000694.
It's got an FCC ID number printed on it, so I assume it's for the USA market.
Did you get a good unit sent back? I had the same issue, sent it back, and the second unit had the same issue.
How much lower was the channel? I think I might have a similar issue.
Website gives a certificate error, but seems ok.
https://www.z-a-recovery.com
There is a setting on the A10 to automatically switch to memory card when the internal gets full.
I don't really think that's relevant in this case, but I would set it to switch over instead of stopping.
Any other ideas or suggestions are appreciated.If you took out the CD card before the show or inserted another, you need to check the memory priority setting and automatic switching to the memory card when the internal memory is full.
If you took out the CD card before the show or inserted another, you need to check the memory priority setting and automatic switching to the memory card when the internal memory is full.I have not taken the card out since I put it in... until I got home the other night. Cross Memory recording was already turned on and did work fine when the internal memory filled back in July and the rest of that show saved properly to the SD card.
I just picked up one of these from Ebay, but I think it's a lemon.
I don't get any indication that it's doing anything when I plug it into my PC, or any charging status on the unit's LCD screen. Is it fair to assume it's junk, or does it need to sit on a charger a long time before it does anything?
I just picked up one of these from Ebay, but I think it's a lemon.
I don't get any indication that it's doing anything when I plug it into my PC, or any charging status on the unit's LCD screen. Is it fair to assume it's junk, or does it need to sit on a charger a long time before it does anything?
It should start charging right away, yeah. Does anything happen if you plug it into a regular USB charger, like a phone charger?
It’s been almost 2 years since I’ve done a show with the A10. Back then it got past the wands with no problem. Can anyone confirm that this is still the case? I have a couple important shows coming up.
Sony stop producing these? Had an alert on Adorama for well over a month, just for s & giggles... still not in stock.
Anyone know the deal?
So has anyone figured out what each number on the recording gain equates to in dB?
Meaning if 10 on the manual recording level goes to eleven, does it just increase by one dB or an increment of say three?
Anyone aware of any mods anyone is doing with the A10??
Doug Oade took one apart and determined he couldn't mod. Not sure why.probably far too teeny and integrated / monolithic to be able to improve and still get the case shut!?
Doug Oade took one apart and determined he couldn't mod. Not sure why.
Doug Oade took one apart and determined he couldn't mod. Not sure why.
Finally. I never really understood the need for these mods. Not for the kind of recordings we make. Everyone is better off spending that money on concert tickets.
I ran the A10 out of a babynbox and the results were really weak.
I ran the A10 out of a babynbox and the results were really weak.
Can you quantify the "really weak"?
Anyone aware of any mods anyone is doing with the A10??
Doug Oade took one apart and determined he couldn't mod. Not sure why.
could not disagree more. The post mod specs are so much better.
I ran the A10 out of a babynbox and the results were really weak.
I asked Doug if he could mod these a few weeks ago and I think it was that the parts were soldered to the board and it deemed the A10 could not be modified.
I ran the A10 out of a babynbox and the results were really weak.
Can you quantify the "really weak"?
Doug Oade took one apart and determined he couldn't mod. Not sure why.probably far too teeny and integrated / monolithic to be able to improve and still get the case shut!?
Aren't pretty much all parts in all modern recorders soldered to the PCB?No, some are actually integrated into chips or packages, and can't simply be swapped out.
I ran the A10 out of a babynbox and the results were really weak.
Can you quantify the "really weak"?
flat, two dimensional, lacking in width or depth of soundstage.
I don't mean to dog anyone's tapes, it's not the difference between bad/good. It's good/very good to great. I've heard several good bnb_A10 tapes. Just no great ones.
It's a bit of a moot point for the near future, my understanding is that the parts Doug needs are backordered until 2023.
I ran the A10 out of a babynbox and the results were really weak.
Can you quantify the "really weak"?
flat, two dimensional, lacking in width or depth of soundstage.
That would only be caused by severe lack of channel separation, if it was demonstrably caused by the recorder itself. I don't recall anyone reporting such a phenomenon before. It's very easily tested - feed a signal into one channel and see whether it also shows up on the other channel. It seems therefore to be a local issue, caused by a defect in the unit, or by misoperation eg incorrect settings for recording format. That's not an insult - I recently did that myself when using a recorder I hadn't used for some time, and contrived to record in mono...
I don't mean to dog anyone's tapes, it's not the difference between bad/good. It's good/very good to great. I've heard several good bnb_A10 tapes. Just no great ones.
It's a bit of a moot point for the near future, my understanding is that the parts Doug needs are backordered until 2023.
Taste in tonality is subjective, just like everything else. I certainly understand the itch to mod.
I've been very happy with my nbox > A10 combo and have been increasingly using it except for the times I want to run 4 channel.
um, no. I don't believe that is what I'm hearing. I've owned plenty of IEMs that give the same aural representation.
Rory, here’s an example. Your 12/3/21 TTB recording. Any Ed Tyre recording. If you all want to drink the kool aid that a deck with 85 or so db of dynamic range sounds as good as one with 126 or so, have at it. I’ve offered several tapers a marantz warm mod 620 loner, no takers. To be clear, I’m not saying the A10 mic in recordings aren’t good. They are.
This is an old, old debate. Back then, the folks running stock sbm1s said they didn’t need a mod, that it sounded “just fine” to them. Or that an AD1000 wasn’t worth it. The Bnb>A10 tapes are just fine. I personally have always looked for a lot more than fine. The payoff for spending ridiculous sums on a pair of mics, tickets, the hassle of sneaking gear in, has to be more than just fine. That doesn’t necessarily mean more expensive. My 620 decks all cost around $100 used, the mods $200. Hell many of us spend more than $200 on cables and mounts. Certainly less than running an outboard pre.
Rory, here’s an example. Your 12/3/21 TTB recording. Any Ed Tyre recording. If you all want to drink the kool aid that a deck with 85 or so db of dynamic range sounds as good as one with 126 or so, have at it. I think I’ve yapped enough about it. I’ve offered several tapers a marantz warm mod 620 loner, no takersedtyre is the name and the A-10 is my game!
Rory, here’s an example. Your 12/3/21 TTB recording. Any Ed Tyre recording. If you all want to drink the kool aid that a deck with 85 or so db of dynamic range sounds as good as one with 126 or so, have at it. I think I’ve yapped enough about it. I’ve offered several tapers a marantz warm mod 620 loner, no takersedtyre is the name and the A-10 is my game!
I run mine with baby nbox set gain at 20 and go up or down
from there line in!
Listen…Kris Wescott and I both ran stock 620’s
a while ago, we both thought they sounded good
but there was something quirky about it that I didn’t
like (can’t remember now) so I sold mine.
Send me a pm, I’ll try out your modded 620.
Rory, here’s an example. Your 12/3/21 TTB recording. Any Ed Tyre recording. If you all want to drink the kool aid that a deck with 85 or so db of dynamic range sounds as good as one with 126 or so, have at it. I think I’ve yapped enough about it. I’ve offered several tapers a marantz warm mod 620 loner, no takersedtyre is the name and the A-10 is my game!
I run mine with baby nbox set gain at 20 and go up or down
from there line in!
Listen…Kris Wescott and I both ran stock 620’s
a while ago, we both thought they sounded good
but there was something quirky about it that I didn’t
like (can’t remember now) so I sold mine.
Send me a pm, I’ll try out your modded 620.
https://archive.org/details/ttb2021-09-18.mk41v.edtyre
another a-10 recording
Just wondering how pervasive this issue is. Has anyone else had the Left channel fail on your A10?I sent my first PCM-A10 back to Sony service and they replaced it because the line in RIGHT channel was lower than the left.
Just wondering how pervasive this issue is. Has anyone else had the Left channel fail on your A10?I sent my first PCM-A10 back to Sony service and they replaced it because the line in RIGHT channel was lower than the left.
Separate question: The A10 is sold out everywhere. Anyone know a place with stock? Probably due to COVID chip shortage...
Separate question: The A10 is sold out everywhere. Anyone know a place with stock? Probably due to COVID chip shortage...B and H says June 13th on their website.
Anyone know where the limiter actually limits? I recorddd. Show last night and it appears I had a shelf at -3dB.It seems to blink the limiter light when signal is within 3dB of full scale.
Thoughts?
Anyone know where the limiter actually limits? I recorddd. Show last night and it appears I had a shelf at -3dB.It seems to blink the limiter light when signal is within 3dB of full scale.
Thoughts?
Shelf?
Brick walling?
These sure are hard to find right now. Hoping to scoop one up before a round of shows in 2 months.Two phones would make it easier, but it should work smoothly to just switch using bluetooth preferences.
Have somewhat of a wonky question for anyone- does anyone have any idea how it would go running 2 A10s at once? Can you switch between them while monitoring/adjusting them remotely? Would I need two phones? Any input appreciated.
Getting back out into the wild tonight with my A10 for the first time since the sh*tstorm hit.
Using a Baby nBox which I know Nicky said should be used mic in, pip off.
What is the correct input again? Audio-In or Mic-In?
Thanks everyone.
Getting back out into the wild tonight with my A10 for the first time since the sh*tstorm hit.
Using a Baby nBox which I know Nicky said should be used mic in, pip off.
What is the correct input again? Audio-In or Mic-In?
Thanks everyone.
I ran the A10 straight for Billy Strings last night and have to say I’m impressed with the built in mic quality!
I ran the A10 straight for Billy Strings last night and have to say I’m impressed with the built in mic quality!
Here's the recording: https://archive.org/details/billystrings2022-03-27
Also helped by the style of music, nothing too loud and stressful.
The recording level was on 1 and peaked at -3 which was a little stressful. I engaged the limiters but I'm not sure if they kicked in at all. :shrug:
I ran the A10 straight for Billy Strings last night and have to say I’m impressed with the built in mic quality!
Here's the recording: https://archive.org/details/billystrings2022-03-27
I ran the A10 straight for Billy Strings last night and have to say I’m impressed with the built in mic quality!
Here's the recording: https://archive.org/details/billystrings2022-03-27
Maybe a dumb question, but how do you have the recorder mounted for this? Were you using a tripod?
This came out of pretty nice. Just trying to wrap my head around the folks that >:D with handhelds.
Anyone have experience getting soundboard feeds on the PCM-A10? My Roland r07 needs attenuation/pads or else the soundboard feed clips - do I need those for the Sony as well?PCM M-10 can take 2 volts on the inputs. Rock that stuff.
Stereo mic input (powered): 22k Ω or 3.9 k Ω depending on where you read it, 0.9 mV minimum, 2.5 mV rated.
Stereo LINE input: 22 kΩ, 500 mV minimum, 2 V rated.
Anyone have experience getting soundboard feeds on the PCM-A10? My Roland r07 needs attenuation/pads or else the soundboard feed clips - do I need those for the Sony as well?
Thanks, but to clarify, I'm asking about the a10, not the m10, if it makes any difference.Anyone have experience getting soundboard feeds on the PCM-A10? My Roland r07 needs attenuation/pads or else the soundboard feed clips - do I need those for the Sony as well?PCM M-10 can take 2 volts on the inputs. Rock that stuff.
If the level knob is over 7 or 8 then the input is too low
if the level knob is UNDER 1 then the input is too hot.
Sweet spot on Sony is usually 3-4 out of 10 on the input.
https://www.kenrockwell.com/audio/sony/pcm-m10.htm
3.5mm Sockets (2)QuoteStereo mic input (powered): 22k Ω or 3.9 k Ω depending on where you read it, 0.9 mV minimum, 2.5 mV rated.
Stereo LINE input: 22 kΩ, 500 mV minimum, 2 V rated.
Thanks, but to clarify, I'm asking about the a10, not the m10, if it makes any difference.OOPS yes it probably does, let me find out.
Thanks, but to clarify, I'm asking about the a10, not the m10, if it makes any difference.OOPS yes it probably does, let me find out.
Using the built in mics and limiter I find that a level setting of 6 works well on the PCM-A10, yes, the actual A 10 with an A.
ok I have some EXCELLENT news to report.
A-10 also takes 2 volts. Hot stuff.
https://helpguide.sony.net/icd/pcma10/v1/en2/contents/TP0001684402.html (https://helpguide.sony.net/icd/pcma10/v1/en2/contents/TP0001684402.html)
Technical Specifications >
Input jack (stereo mini-jack)
MIC IN (Plug-in-power supported)
Input impedance: approx. 3.9 kΩ
Rated input level: approx. 2.5 mV
Minimum input level: approx. 1 mV
Audio IN
Input impedance: approx. 4.7 kΩ
Rated input level: approx. 2 V <----- THIS RIGHT HERE!
Minimum input level: approx. 18 mV
Has anyone else here experienced this issue? I'm amazed there aren't dozens of A10 owners here complaining about it. Does anyone know if it's possible to repair the problem? Any idea what could be the cause? Is it possible the 12V battery box is too much for the line input to handle? That's the best guess I can come up with other than poor build quality.
Has anyone else here experienced this issue? I'm amazed there aren't dozens of A10 owners here complaining about it. Does anyone know if it's possible to repair the problem? Any idea what could be the cause? Is it possible the 12V battery box is too much for the line input to handle? That's the best guess I can come up with other than poor build quality.
Levels on mine are all good, almost 2.5 years after I bought it. (I use a 9V battery box, FWIW.)
I won't use it again in the crossed position!Wow! Now I gotta check!
I checked. I am so glad Ozpeter posted this.I won't use it again in the crossed position!Wow! Now I gotta check!
In order for your footage to best simulate what viewers would see with their own eyes, it’s important to match the human interocular distance as closely as possible. This means that the distance between the centers of your camera lenses should be approximately 2.5″.
Ignoring the interocular distance can result in some surprising and even unpleasant effects. Move the cameras too far apart, and the world will look like it’s been miniaturized. Move them too close together, and suddenly the smallest object appears gigantic. 2.5″
I don't believe in crossed mics for anything, so not a surprise to me. X-Y is about the least desirable configuration I can think of. I know the A-10 mics are not X-Y, but close enough for me to steer clear if I ever ran the internal for anything other than recording the Thanksgiving dinner conversation.What if I wanted to record the chirps of a single bird? Just get the sound of the song itself for identification purposes, not to capture any particular natural soundscape?
Feeling like taking a trip to Tokyo soon...
That's how we got our first DAT field recorder. A friend's dad worked for Delta, so he flew for us...Feeling like taking a trip to Tokyo soon...
Akihabara?
That's how we got our first DAT field recorder. A friend's dad worked for Delta, so he flew for us...Feeling like taking a trip to Tokyo soon...
Akihabara?
Feeling like taking a trip to Tokyo soon...
Akihabara?
Interesting comparison - in terms of stereo image I think the A10 internals seem more focussed in the centre while retaining full width for audience sounds - the nakamichi cm-300s sound slightly undefined in the centre - always hard to turn sounds into words of course! I'd say you have omni capsules on the CM-300s rather than cardioid? Overall, I'd rate the A10 internals, in this example, as "no disaster".
Interesting comparison - in terms of stereo image I think the A10 internals seem more focussed in the centre while retaining full width for audience sounds - the nakamichi cm-300s sound slightly undefined in the centre - always hard to turn sounds into words of course! I'd say you have omni capsules on the CM-300s rather than cardioid? Overall, I'd rate the A10 internals, in this example, as "no disaster".
The naks were cards. I'm not happy with either set, curious to hear how the a10 performs in a better location.
Interesting comparison - in terms of stereo image I think the A10 internals seem more focussed in the centre while retaining full width for audience sounds - the nakamichi cm-300s sound slightly undefined in the centre - always hard to turn sounds into words of course! I'd say you have omni capsules on the CM-300s rather than cardioid? Overall, I'd rate the A10 internals, in this example, as "no disaster".
The naks were cards. I'm not happy with either set, curious to hear how the a10 performs in a better location.
I posted this a few months ago, but I'm pretty pleased with the A10's internal mic performance in the limited use I've had with it. I threw it up on the edge of the balcony and this was the result (mics pointed out, away from each other):
https://archive.org/details/billystrings2022-03-27
It's a little tinny sounding to me, but surprisingly good IMO.
Yeah, that's a good sounding tape. I'm curious how easy it is to distort the mics on these.
A10’s back in stock at B&H. Better hurry.
A10’s back in stock at B&H. Better hurry.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1447756-REG/sony_pcm_a10_high_resolution_audio_recorder.html
(Has anyone here run two A10s via bluetooth on the same phone? I’m guessing I would want to rename one to tell them apart…)I renamed them.
^
Sounds very nice!
Runs to car, looks at the card with Icon hanging from rearview mirror, a gift from a departed friend, and sees the face on that church wall...Very sad...
He passed during COVID quarantines, and his Panikhida was a week ago.
In this area it is probably is a more surprising coincidence than where you are.
I did just buy a second one for myself, for when I want to run both mics and a board feed and monitor them remotely. (Has anyone here run two A10s via bluetooth on the same phone? I’m guessing I would want to rename one to tell them apart…)
According to FedEx my plastic A10 baby is delivered today. Yes, I went through and pre-read all previous pages and pages of posts. Happy to add this to my >:D stable, may it serve me well.
(Has anyone here run two A10s via bluetooth on the same phone? I’m guessing I would want to rename one to tell them apart…)I renamed them.
(Has anyone here run two A10s via bluetooth on the same phone? I’m guessing I would want to rename one to tell them apart…)I renamed them.
Can someone give me a hint as to how to rename an A10? I've been though all the menu settings and the manual, and I'm still stumped.
Can someone give me a hint as to how to rename an A10? I've been though all the menu settings and the manual, and I'm still stumped.It's a Sony (с)
turn on bt on a-10 and phone
launch the application
establish a connection with the phone
upper left corner of the screen - select device
device menu - edit
I don't have a "select device" in the upper left of my screen, nor do I have an "edit" in the device menu. Maybe this only works this way on Androids?Maybe...
turn on bt on a-10 and phone
launch the application
establish a connection with the phone
So far, so good!upper left corner of the screen - select device
device menu - edit
I don't have a "select device" in the upper left of my screen, nor do I have an "edit" in the device menu. Maybe this only works this way on Androids?
A10 rename in pictures
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14hUYynw_UMviwjMIqmSzTMS9O6GhEaGs?usp=sharing
Thanks, but the iPhone Rec Remote app doesn't have that pulldown menu next to the device name.Maybe try another way...
Let me try asking this another way: Has anyone with an iPhone found a way to rename their PCM-A10?
Let me try asking this another way: Has anyone with an iPhone found a way to rename their PCM-A10?
Let me try asking this another way: Has anyone with an iPhone found a way to rename their PCM-A10?
Android yes.
iPhone no.
Let me try asking this another way: Has anyone with an iPhone found a way to rename their PCM-A10?
Let me try asking this another way: Has anyone with an iPhone found a way to rename their PCM-A10?
Go to your bluetooth setting and tap the "info" button and a screen comes up with the name of the device. Tap on "name" and rename the device.
Let me try asking this another way: Has anyone with an iPhone found a way to rename their PCM-A10?
Go to your bluetooth setting and tap the "info" button and a screen comes up with the name of the device. Tap on "name" and rename the device.
That worked! Thanks so much, neutrino.
I saw the pic of the pair of solder pads for each mic and it looked relatively straightforward. Can you post the top view after re-assembly? I am curious as to the gap left behind.
No problems running 24/96 on this recorder right? If not I will drop it down to 24/48.
No problems running 24/96 on this recorder right? If not I will drop it down to 24/48.96 fills the memory twice as fast, but works fine on a card with proper speed rating, since that's probably what you mean!?!!
I'm coming from an M10 which puked on 24/96. I rolled the dice and did it with the A10 and it was flawless. Maiden voyage today and it made a recording of Too Short and Tower of Power
Controlling levels with an app is a game changer and it linked to our car via Bluetooth so we could listen again on the way home.
Any noticeable difference in sound quality (as a line in unit) vs. other recorders in your assessment?
Would you use this unit in your most mission critical recordings? (assuming no issues getting gear into a venue)
I'm coming from an M10 which puked on 24/96. I rolled the dice and did it with the A10 and it was flawless. Maiden voyage today and it made a recording of Too Short and Tower of Power
Controlling levels with an app is a game changer and it linked to our car via Bluetooth so we could listen again on the way home.
Any noticeable difference in sound quality (as a line in unit) vs. other recorders in your assessment?
Would you use this unit in your most mission critical recordings? (assuming no issues getting gear into a venue)
IMPORTANT FOR iPHONE 13 USERS
I've had my A10 for one year and it's been my main recording deck since the day I got it (previous main deck was an Edirol R-07). I used my iPhone 12 Pro Max when I first got the A10, and I've been loving the ease with which I can control the recording with an app on my phone. A week ago, I got an iPhone 13 Pro Max (w/ 1TB storage). And that's when this conundrum began ... no matter what I did, I could not get the iPhone 13 to recognize (and pair with) the A10. I tried and tried and tried ... but no dice. The only saving grace was that the iPhone 12 / A10 combo has always worked just fine, so I was still able to >:D two shows last week while using the A10 app on my iPhone. But I only have two weeks from receipt of the iPhone 13 to return the iPhone 12 and get the guaranteed refund for the trade-in. I chatted with Apple support via text at their webpage ... not much help. I drove over to a Best Buy and found a sharp young guy in the smart phone section and he actually gave it a really good effort (especially considering I didn't buy the phone or recorder from Best Buy so I was just a random guy walking in off the street asking for service). After that, I finally decided I had to go big, so I made an appointment at the nearest Apple Store, which is an hour drive away. I don't go there often, so I don't know what's normal, but I was seen after waiting 5 minutes or so. The person who assisted me was a young lady named Grace, probably in her mid-late 20s. She dove right into it - had my iPhone 12, iPhone 13 and A10 layed out along with a few other devices of her own and also had the A10 manual pulled up on her iPad. For a good half hour she poked around through the iPhone menus, ran diagnostics, did various other testing, went to the backroom a couple of times ... but no bueno. She called her boss Sasha over and he worked on it for five minutes or so. He had some really insightful ideas for fixes ... but even he couldn't solve this. Sasha got called away to another customer and Grace went back at it. Around 45 minutes in - after reading parts of the A10 manual - Grace started taking a hard look at the menus in the A10; in particular, the Bluetooth menu. And then she found something and BANG - just like that - problem solved. So the smart thing for me at that point would have been to ask Grace exactly what she had just found that fixed the problem. But I was super happy to finally get this saga done with and this was 50 minutes into the session; and I could tell Grace needed a break. So I just thanked her and left. Just as she was about to solve the problem, however, I do remember her saying she was looking at the bluetooth settings in the A10 and it looked like it was set to send data out to a device like a bluetooth speaker, as opposed to being set to receive data from a recording rig. So after it was all said and done ... there is still that mystery out there ... if the bluetooth settings in the A10 were the problem (with the iPhone 13), for the last year, why (how?) did the A10 work just fine with the iPhone 12? Grace was equally baffled by this question.
TL;DR: If you upgrade an iPhone that works properly with the A10 app, but your new iPhone doesn't connect over bluetooth with the A10 app, the solution is probably in the A10's bluetooth menu.
I just upgraded to the 13 Pro today and couldn't get my A10 to connect. I knew that I had read something on here about it and found the post. On the A10, I kept trying to add an Audio Device and nothing would work. After reading this post, I played with some settings and what did work for me was going into Bluetooth>REC Remote. There I saw my old device in the Manage Added Devices. I decided to try the Add Device (Pairing) from there and lo and behold, the bluetooth device was finally recognized on my phone and I'm all good to go. Now, I didn't look up the A10 directions, so maybe this is how it is supposed to be done anyway, but like I said, I was trying to pair the device from the Audio Device menu. Which was wrong.
Just thought I'd add to this.IMPORTANT FOR iPHONE 13 USERS
I've had my A10 for one year and it's been my main recording deck since the day I got it (previous main deck was an Edirol R-07). I used my iPhone 12 Pro Max when I first got the A10, and I've been loving the ease with which I can control the recording with an app on my phone. A week ago, I got an iPhone 13 Pro Max (w/ 1TB storage). And that's when this conundrum began ... no matter what I did, I could not get the iPhone 13 to recognize (and pair with) the A10. I tried and tried and tried ... but no dice. The only saving grace was that the iPhone 12 / A10 combo has always worked just fine, so I was still able to >:D two shows last week while using the A10 app on my iPhone. But I only have two weeks from receipt of the iPhone 13 to return the iPhone 12 and get the guaranteed refund for the trade-in. I chatted with Apple support via text at their webpage ... not much help. I drove over to a Best Buy and found a sharp young guy in the smart phone section and he actually gave it a really good effort (especially considering I didn't buy the phone or recorder from Best Buy so I was just a random guy walking in off the street asking for service). After that, I finally decided I had to go big, so I made an appointment at the nearest Apple Store, which is an hour drive away. I don't go there often, so I don't know what's normal, but I was seen after waiting 5 minutes or so. The person who assisted me was a young lady named Grace, probably in her mid-late 20s. She dove right into it - had my iPhone 12, iPhone 13 and A10 layed out along with a few other devices of her own and also had the A10 manual pulled up on her iPad. For a good half hour she poked around through the iPhone menus, ran diagnostics, did various other testing, went to the backroom a couple of times ... but no bueno. She called her boss Sasha over and he worked on it for five minutes or so. He had some really insightful ideas for fixes ... but even he couldn't solve this. Sasha got called away to another customer and Grace went back at it. Around 45 minutes in - after reading parts of the A10 manual - Grace started taking a hard look at the menus in the A10; in particular, the Bluetooth menu. And then she found something and BANG - just like that - problem solved. So the smart thing for me at that point would have been to ask Grace exactly what she had just found that fixed the problem. But I was super happy to finally get this saga done with and this was 50 minutes into the session; and I could tell Grace needed a break. So I just thanked her and left. Just as she was about to solve the problem, however, I do remember her saying she was looking at the bluetooth settings in the A10 and it looked like it was set to send data out to a device like a bluetooth speaker, as opposed to being set to receive data from a recording rig. So after it was all said and done ... there is still that mystery out there ... if the bluetooth settings in the A10 were the problem (with the iPhone 13), for the last year, why (how?) did the A10 work just fine with the iPhone 12? Grace was equally baffled by this question.
TL;DR: If you upgrade an iPhone that works properly with the A10 app, but your new iPhone doesn't connect over bluetooth with the A10 app, the solution is probably in the A10's bluetooth menu.
I just upgraded to the 13 Pro today and couldn't get my A10 to connect. I knew that I had read something on here about it and found the post. On the A10, I kept trying to add an Audio Device and nothing would work. After reading this post, I played with some settings and what did work for me was going into Bluetooth>REC Remote. There I saw my old device in the Manage Added Devices. I decided to try the Add Device (Pairing) from there and lo and behold, the bluetooth device was finally recognized on my phone and I'm all good to go. Now, I didn't look up the A10 directions, so maybe this is how it is supposed to be done anyway, but like I said, I was trying to pair the device from the Audio Device menu. Which was wrong.
Just thought I'd add to this.IMPORTANT FOR iPHONE 13 USERS
I've had my A10 for one year and it's been my main recording deck since the day I got it (previous main deck was an Edirol R-07). I used my iPhone 12 Pro Max when I first got the A10, and I've been loving the ease with which I can control the recording with an app on my phone. A week ago, I got an iPhone 13 Pro Max (w/ 1TB storage). And that's when this conundrum began ... no matter what I did, I could not get the iPhone 13 to recognize (and pair with) the A10. I tried and tried and tried ... but no dice. The only saving grace was that the iPhone 12 / A10 combo has always worked just fine, so I was still able to >:D two shows last week while using the A10 app on my iPhone. But I only have two weeks from receipt of the iPhone 13 to return the iPhone 12 and get the guaranteed refund for the trade-in. I chatted with Apple support via text at their webpage ... not much help. I drove over to a Best Buy and found a sharp young guy in the smart phone section and he actually gave it a really good effort (especially considering I didn't buy the phone or recorder from Best Buy so I was just a random guy walking in off the street asking for service). After that, I finally decided I had to go big, so I made an appointment at the nearest Apple Store, which is an hour drive away. I don't go there often, so I don't know what's normal, but I was seen after waiting 5 minutes or so. The person who assisted me was a young lady named Grace, probably in her mid-late 20s. She dove right into it - had my iPhone 12, iPhone 13 and A10 layed out along with a few other devices of her own and also had the A10 manual pulled up on her iPad. For a good half hour she poked around through the iPhone menus, ran diagnostics, did various other testing, went to the backroom a couple of times ... but no bueno. She called her boss Sasha over and he worked on it for five minutes or so. He had some really insightful ideas for fixes ... but even he couldn't solve this. Sasha got called away to another customer and Grace went back at it. Around 45 minutes in - after reading parts of the A10 manual - Grace started taking a hard look at the menus in the A10; in particular, the Bluetooth menu. And then she found something and BANG - just like that - problem solved. So the smart thing for me at that point would have been to ask Grace exactly what she had just found that fixed the problem. But I was super happy to finally get this saga done with and this was 50 minutes into the session; and I could tell Grace needed a break. So I just thanked her and left. Just as she was about to solve the problem, however, I do remember her saying she was looking at the bluetooth settings in the A10 and it looked like it was set to send data out to a device like a bluetooth speaker, as opposed to being set to receive data from a recording rig. So after it was all said and done ... there is still that mystery out there ... if the bluetooth settings in the A10 were the problem (with the iPhone 13), for the last year, why (how?) did the A10 work just fine with the iPhone 12? Grace was equally baffled by this question.
TL;DR: If you upgrade an iPhone that works properly with the A10 app, but your new iPhone doesn't connect over bluetooth with the A10 app, the solution is probably in the A10's bluetooth menu.
I started reading this and thought it looked familiar. And then I read a little more and it started looking even MORE familiar. And then I looked at the author and realized it was me. Ha!
Is there anything this can't do?
^ I just leave it on. The battery life is already crazy long, and when I do power it up I typically want to pair it.
Is there NOT a low sensitivity setting for external mic input? I only see it for the built in mics.
Is there NOT a low sensitivity setting for external mic input? I only see it for the built in mics.
External Input Setting can be set to MIC IN or Audio IN.
I just got another one of these to replace my faulty one from a few years back.
Question on BLUETOOTH.
Are you just pairing this one time with your phone and leaving bluetooth setting ON in the A-10 or switching bluetooth off when not in use?
I just got another one of these to replace my faulty one from a few years back.
Question on BLUETOOTH.
Are you just pairing this one time with your phone and leaving bluetooth setting ON in the A-10 or switching bluetooth off when not in use?
In what way was it faulty?
Just to confirm, this recorder can't be used as a usb audio interface, correct?Try Roland R07 - it also great sounds and have a lot of settings. Sometimes greater than A10.
Mine had sticky controls out of the box, and a replacement didn’t fix that. My R-07 was better in that regard (But not perfect)I just got another one of these to replace my faulty one from a few years back.
Question on BLUETOOTH.
Are you just pairing this one time with your phone and leaving bluetooth setting ON in the A-10 or switching bluetooth off when not in use?
In what way was it faulty?
What does MNL mean on the display? The M10 didn't have this on the display?
That storm sounds pretty good to me! A good wide natural soundstage and a balanced frequency response. Perhaps the very lowest frequencies of the storm are lost but it doesn't sound thin. Not having been there at the time it's hard to be sure. It's a great little recorder for such audio "kodak moments" - maybe the name should be "sony moments"!Yes, you are right, the lower end is slightly lowered, which is typical for a cardio microphone. But this is easily corrected in the post 2-3-4 dB plus. It was possible to put the recorder on the floor, like a PZM, but it was already wet there. With external omni on the ground (Clippy EM272), the LF rises more than I can hear with my ears in place.
What does MNL mean on the display? The M10 didn't have this on the display?
Manual gain settings as opposed to auto gain
Was a ridiculously killer show too. So bummed. Teach me to try off-brand cards. Just can't believe it's possible to SEE LEVELS RECORDING FINE and end up with nothing.
Running something like Church Audio mics with a battery box, I assume it’s “audio in” and then I see “Auto Gain Ctrl” defaults to “High”. Do I need to set that to “Low” every time or do the mics/battery override this?
What’s “MNL” on the screen? Manual gain?
I don’t want to use “Auto Gain”.
I assume then that the “MNL” indication on the screen is indicating that I’m not using it?
Therefore the “High/Low” is irrelevent?
I don’t want to use “Auto Gain”.
I assume then that the “MNL” indication on the screen is indicating that I’m not using it?
Therefore the “High/Low” is irrelevent?
Yup! And it remembers your settings that you want manual gain (I just double-checked), so you just need to select "audio in" when you plug your mics in, and you're good to go.
Was a ridiculously killer show too. So bummed. Teach me to try off-brand cards. Just can't believe it's possible to SEE LEVELS RECORDING FINE and end up with nothing.
Uggggh, so sorry. That is the absolute worst.
auto gain is useful to preserve talking, and that's about it.
Background noise will fluctuate in opposition to loudness of the main signal.
That optimizes for intelligibility of the speech content, at the expense of preserving a realistic volume level record of the happening
auto gain is useful to preserve talking, and that's about it.
Background noise will fluctuate in opposition to loudness of the main signal.
That optimizes for intelligibility of the speech content, at the expense of preserving a realistic volume level record of the happening
If I want louder talking, that's what dynamic compression is for. Or Music Rebalance in iZotope RX.
I need a refresher for >:D tonight - audio in should be ok for a small (~200) club with nbobs/baby nbox, right? I remember mic in being crazy hot last time I ran and you can't change between audio/mic in through the app. Thanks!
I need a refresher for >:D tonight - audio in should be ok for a small (~200) club with nbobs/baby nbox, right? I remember mic in being crazy hot last time I ran and you can't change between audio/mic in through the app. Thanks!
I have never run anything but audio in, even for unamplified acoustic shows.
How much metal is in this thing? I just bought its distant brother ICD-SX2000 and have heard that the ICD model is metal-based while the PCM-A10 isn't. Is that true?
I made my first two recordings this weekend using two A10s (one SBD, one AUD), and not only did bluetooth control work seamlessly, but I was amazed get home and find that the two clocks seem to have been in perfect sync — I didn't need to do any time stretching to line them up in Audacity.
Anyone else know if this is an unreported feature, or if I just got super-lucky with my two devices?
I made my first two recordings this weekend using two A10s (one SBD, one AUD), and not only did bluetooth control work seamlessly, but I was amazed get home and find that the two clocks seem to have been in perfect sync — I didn't need to do any time stretching to line them up in Audacity.
Anyone else know if this is an unreported feature, or if I just got super-lucky with my two devices?
Are you saying you hooked up multiple A10s to one device?
Are you saying you hooked up multiple A10s to one device?
To one phone, yes. You have to alternate which one you're connected to, obviously, but it's not hard — just go into bluetooth settings and select the other one, then back to the REC Remote app. Takes maybe five seconds.
So they aren’t “in sync” per se. you still have to manually sync them. But once you do, their timing matches up and you don’t need to stretch one file or another?
Shane aka SEC1968 has a set of recorders which are a "lucky pair" that's too close to bother correcting for. His are Tascam DR-7's.So they aren’t “in sync” per se. you still have to manually sync them. But once you do, their timing matches up and you don’t need to stretch one file or another?
Correct. I may have just gotten very lucky - the M10s I owned were certainly never in sync like this - but wanted to see what others have experienced.
The Roland R-07 app allows simultaneous BT start/stop and monitoring of up to 4 devices iirc.
I only own 1 so I don’t know how synchronous they would run.
The Roland R-07 app allows simultaneous BT start/stop and monitoring of up to 4 devices iirc.
I only own 1 so I don’t know how synchronous they would run.
Here's the kind of thing I use for audible sync -
https://www.amazon.com/dog-clicker/s?k=dog+clicker
Largest card size someone has used?
If for no other reason, to power the mics for loud shows
I'll be bringing my A10 to an all-day festival the weekend after next — I'll report back here on how many bars are remaining at the end, but I expect it to be at least one or two.
taped last night for the first time.
I can't stress it enough .... it's tiny and the bluetooth monitoring from phone it is definitely game changer to me.
I was afraid of buggy app or lag in settings but flawless experience.
I had a problem with battery box and had to use internal mics. Quite satisfied with results as I had zero expectation by all your comments. Will post samples for reference
Tomorrow next show. After the BB failure, I need to decide if I use internal mics or CA11 via mic in (minimum quality). Considering I won't be able to do prior test, would you go for the internal or external without BB option?
taped last night for the first time.A10s PIP is pretty anemic, 2 something volts and may not give the CA11s enough juice handle high SPLs. the internal mics are low sens enough to not overload in my experience.
I can't stress it enough .... it's tiny and the bluetooth monitoring from phone it is definitely game changer to me.
I was afraid of buggy app or lag in settings but flawless experience.
I had a problem with battery box and had to use internal mics. Quite satisfied with results as I had zero expectation by all your comments. Will post samples for reference
Tomorrow next show. After the BB failure, I need to decide if I use internal mics or CA11 via mic in (minimum quality). Considering I won't be able to do prior test, would you go for the internal or external without BB option?
What kind of battery box problem did you encounter?
A10s PIP is pretty anemic, 2 something volts and may not give the CA11s enough juice handle high SPLs. the internal mics are low sens enough to not overload in my experience.
Can anyone else confirm that 5G interferes with their A10? A buddy from Texas said he narrowed signal path interference down to his A10 and wont run it without airplane mode now.
Can anyone else confirm that 5G interferes with their A10? A buddy from Texas said he narrowed signal path interference down to his A10 and wont run it without airplane mode now.
Can anyone else confirm that 5G interferes with their A10? A buddy from Texas said he narrowed signal path interference down to his A10 and wont run it without airplane mode now.GSM (AT&T for instance) & CDMA (Verizon and T-Mobile for instance) have different radio properties.
Can anyone else confirm that 5G interferes with their A10? A buddy from Texas said he narrowed signal path interference down to his A10 and wont run it without airplane mode now.
Have not experienced this and have been using it while on 5G. Maybe it was the cables used, battery box, maybe it was the mics, there are other unknown variables.
wow, were those old school hearing aids or the newer cheaper devices now allowed to be classified as "hearing aids" per recent legislation?
i think the reclass has to do with allowing the cheaper, not-fit-by-qualified-audiologist class of hearing devices as "hearing aids" is a semantics thing for insurancewow, were those old school hearing aids or the newer cheaper devices now allowed to be classified as "hearing aids" per recent legislation?
I'm not not familiar with the newer cheaper devices now allowed to be classified as "hearing aids" - but I have new hearing aids that are bluetooth and are basically hearing aids / high quality earbuds. They aren't cheap though IMO; they would have been $2K each when I got them two years ago, but (fortunately) I get them free through the Veterans Administration. I never wear my hearing aids to shows though, so I can't say if they interfere with my A10.
i think the reclass has to do with allowing the cheaper, not-fit-by-qualified-audiologist class of hearing devices as "hearing aids" is a semantics thing for insurancewow, were those old school hearing aids or the newer cheaper devices now allowed to be classified as "hearing aids" per recent legislation?
I'm not not familiar with the newer cheaper devices now allowed to be classified as "hearing aids" - but I have new hearing aids that are bluetooth and are basically hearing aids / high quality earbuds. They aren't cheap though IMO; they would have been $2K each when I got them two years ago, but (fortunately) I get them free through the Veterans Administration. I never wear my hearing aids to shows though, so I can't say if they interfere with my A10.
theyre just starting to roll out
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/shopping/hearing-aids-available-over-the-counter-starting-in-october-here-e2-80-99s-what-you-should-know/ar-AA12tLtP
Never had an issue and I tapes 100s and 100s of shows . Maybe it is a memory card being slow?Could be? I haven't really had trouble with the Samsung Evo Select cards but who knows.
Anyone have any tips of something I can cover it with if there isn’t a setting?I used to use some medium to dark green lighting gel to darken up the display on the D8 DAT deck.
Anyone have any idea how to turn the backlight down a bit?
I don’t want it off but it seems super bright.
Anyone have any tips of something I can cover it with if there isn’t a setting?
What level are folks running the A10 at 10??
What level are folks running the A10 at 10??
Anyone have any idea how to turn the backlight down a bit?
I don’t want it off but it seems super bright.
Anyone have any tips of something I can cover it with if there isn’t a setting?
I had no idea as I've never taken it out at a show since I control it fully via Bluetooth.
What level are folks running the A10 at 10??
I run everything through either a Baby Nbox or Platinum Nbox (mostly Baby). As a very general rule, I start off at 12 with the Baby, and 4 with the Platinum. Of course, those are just starting numbers. At a recent Judas Priest show, I started at 12 and after peeking at the A10 app on my phone a few minutes into the show, I dialed it down to 10 and that was where I left it.
What level are folks running the A10 at 10??internal mics with limiter, set level to 6 so it doesn't go over.
Isn’t there some kind of way to control more than one A-10 unit on the app or am I thinking of the Roland R-07?
Ah, ok I see…so, no…but you can connect to one, set, then disconnect, the connect to the other.
Is there a setting to change that will send the recorded file to the music folder?
Is there a setting to change that will send the recorded file to the music folder?
Hit the "option" button, scroll down to "Recording Folder" and choose between "Built-In Memory" or "SD Card."
I further recommend that you (once again using the "Option" button) go to "Cross-Memory REC" and choose "Yes." You will need a micro-SD card in the A10 for this to work. By choosing "Yes" you are setting your recorder up to switch from the A10's internal memory to the SD card (and vice versa). So for example, if you are recording to internal memory and run out of space, on the fly, the S10 will automatically switch over to the SD card. Of course, this will result in a split audio file; but the recording will still be seamless.
Is there a setting to change that will send the recorded file to the music folder?I don't think so. Music folder is for stuff you want to use for playback.
Is there a setting to change that will send the recorded file to the music folder?I don't think so. Music folder is for stuff you want to use for playback.
Ya know you can pair the A10 with a bluetooth receiver and stream music right out of the A10? Great for checking on the way home...
i think the reclass has to do with allowing the cheaper, not-fit-by-qualified-audiologist class of hearing devices as "hearing aids" is a semantics thing for insurancewow, were those old school hearing aids or the newer cheaper devices now allowed to be classified as "hearing aids" per recent legislation?
I'm not not familiar with the newer cheaper devices now allowed to be classified as "hearing aids" - but I have new hearing aids that are bluetooth and are basically hearing aids / high quality earbuds. They aren't cheap though IMO; they would have been $2K each when I got them two years ago, but (fortunately) I get them free through the Veterans Administration. I never wear my hearing aids to shows though, so I can't say if they interfere with my A10.
theyre just starting to roll out
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/shopping/hearing-aids-available-over-the-counter-starting-in-october-here-e2-80-99s-what-you-should-know/ar-AA12tLtP
I have come to realize there are shockingly high number of older people who can't hear for shit. And a lot of them can't afford $2K (each) for hearing aids. So that's good news about the cheaper versions becoming available.
Side story: my wife was born deaf in one ear. She was told it was because of nerve damage and was permanent. A couple of years ago, we were at Sam's Club and the audiologist there was doing free hearing tests. It took some prodding, but I finally got my wife to give it a shot. The lady did some testing and then inserted a hearing aid in my wife's ear. You should have seen the look of surprise and amazement on her face when she heard through that ear for the first time.
Did you try running the deck plugged into a brick battery? It works for me and probably adds a week of use and you would fill the memory card before the battery dies
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Ultra-Compact-High-Speed-Technology/dp/B0194WDVHI/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3OOG9D32VW8MP&keywords=anker%2B10000%2Bpower%2Bbank&qid=1672857257&sprefix=anker%2B10000%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-4&th=1
Amazon says that model was first available in 2015. If they never made more than one batch, the battery cells could now be 8 years old.https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Ultra-Compact-High-Speed-Technology/dp/B0194WDVHI/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3OOG9D32VW8MP&keywords=anker%2B10000%2Bpower%2Bbank&qid=1672857257&sprefix=anker%2B10000%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-4&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Ultra-Compact-High-Speed-Technology/dp/B0194WDVHI/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3OOG9D32VW8MP&keywords=anker%2B10000%2Bpower%2Bbank&qid=1672857257&sprefix=anker%2B10000%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-4&th=1)
Yep, I've used that Anker, it's awesome. Haven't run the A10 while plugged into it, but can't see a reason why it wouldn't work.
In my experience the A10 and M10 have comparable battery life — I'm curious, RyanJ, did you get longer battery life from the M10 while powering mics off it? That would be expected to draw down the battery more quickly.
When I put the Sony A10 on a rolled up microphone cable with P48 the periodic click start to happen. If I remove from the cables the click disappear.sounds like the cables may be the issue, have you tried to duplicate this with a different recorder?
Tested with AT3032 - Klotz cabels - Littlebox - Sony A10
This continous clicking happened to me only once when I left my mobile home and adjusted the recoding volume manually.
I am planning on buying a sony A-10 and want to run DPA 4080s into the ext. mic input using a y adaptor(micro dot into stereo mini plug), is this deck capable of supplying power using plug in power without a battery box? I've spoken to Len at Core sound and would like to just plug in and go as sensitive metal detectors seem all the rage in Seattle these days. BobYou hit the nail on the head with our local Seattle venues and sensitive metal detectors. I've also been thinking about a DPA set-up as well, with a similar cable. However, I was thinking of pairing it up with this SP key fob battery box:
That looks cool, wish I hadn't bought a different BB a couple months ago.I am planning on buying a sony A-10 and want to run DPA 4080s into the ext. mic input using a y adaptor(micro dot into stereo mini plug), is this deck capable of supplying power using plug in power without a battery box? I've spoken to Len at Core sound and would like to just plug in and go as sensitive metal detectors seem all the rage in Seattle these days. BobYou hit the nail on the head with our local Seattle venues and sensitive metal detectors. I've also been thinking about a DPA set-up as well, with a similar cable. However, I was thinking of pairing it up with this SP key fob battery box:
https://soundprofessionals.com/product/SP-SPSB-20/ (https://soundprofessionals.com/product/SP-SPSB-20/)
When I flew to Germany for some Cure shows back in November, my friend, that I was staying with told me about the SP battery box his friend had that looked like a key fob. When I got home, I asked SP about it and they started selling them again. I'm thinking this could be a good pick-up.
I am planning on buying a sony A-10 and want to run DPA 4080s into the ext. mic input using a y adaptor(micro dot into stereo mini plug), is this deck capable of supplying power using plug in power without a battery box? I've spoken to Len at Core sound and would like to just plug in and go as sensitive metal detectors seem all the rage in Seattle these days. BobYou hit the nail on the head with our local Seattle venues and sensitive metal detectors. I've also been thinking about a DPA set-up as well, with a similar cable. However, I was thinking of pairing it up with this SP key fob battery box:
https://soundprofessionals.com/product/SP-SPSB-20/ (https://soundprofessionals.com/product/SP-SPSB-20/)
When I flew to Germany for some Cure shows back in November, my friend, that I was staying with told me about the SP battery box his friend had that looked like a key fob. When I got home, I asked SP about it and they started selling them again. I'm thinking this could be a good pick-up.
What are you recording at? I've noticed recording quality has a big impact. Also, memory cards will also impact battery life.In my experience the A10 and M10 have comparable battery life — I'm curious, RyanJ, did you get longer battery life from the M10 while powering mics off it? That would be expected to draw down the battery more quickly.
Using the same mics (AT853 with 4.7k mod) and using plugin power on both. I usually get about 30 hours with the M10 and about 7hr (one trial) with the A10. I will say that even after a 3-4 hour show, my battery is already 1/2 drained on all 3 A10s I have. All starting at the same time and not powering the mics.
I have two A-10s. Neither will connect to Bluetooth on a Samsung A51. Anyone else have this issue with Samsung phones?
I'll give it another shot today. I went through all the steps as outlined in an online manual I found. I even removed both owners' devices from the A10. I would love to say this is not an issue, and I can just run the device like my M10 as I did a few days ago, but I have a show on Saturday where I will have on-stage/at soundboard/and a soundboard feed. The ability to not have to go into the sbd cage to check the device will be extremely useful.I have two A-10s. Neither will connect to Bluetooth on a Samsung A51. Anyone else have this issue with Samsung phones?
On my old Samsung Note 20 and my S22 Ultra, the BT would not connect unless I joined them by NFC first. I would give that a try. Once NFC joined the A10 to the phone, the BT connections were always fine after.
I have two A-10s. Neither will connect to Bluetooth on a Samsung A51. Anyone else have this issue with Samsung phones?
When I put the Sony A10 on a rolled up microphone cable with P48 the periodic click start to happen. If I remove from the cables the click disappear.sounds like the cables may be the issue, have you tried to duplicate this with a different recorder?
Tested with AT3032 - Klotz cabels - Littlebox - Sony A10
This continous clicking happened to me only once when I left my mobile home and adjusted the recoding volume manually.
I tried again. Sony A10 clicking. Sony M10 no issues. I experienced the same problem with a Neumann SKM150 kit. When I put the A10 on the folded Neumann active cables the A10 starts to click. When I move away a little the click disappears.Ever since I got my MixPre6, I quit using my Neumann "Active Cable" kit after I discovered the noise while using my previous workhorse DR70D!
Hi all,Lots of options on Amazon, but I'd even think any kind of eyeglass case / cover could work as well.
Does any have or know of a silicon "bumper" case for the A10, like a phone case? I end up throwing mine in the bag and gets treated pretty roughly picking up wild lines for documentaries. I'd love a rubber shell with a lanyard loop.
Hi all,Lots of options on Amazon, but I'd even think any kind of eyeglass case / cover could work as well.
Does any have or know of a silicon "bumper" case for the A10, like a phone case? I end up throwing mine in the bag and gets treated pretty roughly picking up wild lines for documentaries. I'd love a rubber shell with a lanyard loop.
https://www.amazon.com/sony-voice-recorder-case/s?k=sony+voice+recorder+case
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1621828-REG/porta_brace_ar_pcma10_universal_audio_case_for.html (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1621828-REG/porta_brace_ar_pcma10_universal_audio_case_for.html)
I dont want a case to remove it from, I want a body formed rubber protection like a phone case that I can operate it in. Thanks for the suggestions though!
I had a problem with my A10 last weekend while taping that I couldn't figure out my way around. While recording, it would continuously go into paused recording mode on it's own, recording and pausing sometimes every few seconds. I noticed it monitoring my recording via the iOS app. During the intermission I went out to check my A10 and sure enough it was constantly going into paused recording mode. The show to the point of the intermission was about 45-50 mins and I had roughly 100 different files during that time - in some instances up to six in the same minute. If I started the recording directly on my A10 same result, if I unplugged the rest of my gear and went with the internal mics same result, nothing seemed to fix it. Battery was fully charged at the start of the night and I had about 12 hours of recording time available on the internal memory.I had a problem like that on my Tascam DR-07x. There was an auto recording mode, where the recorder would start / stop if the volume went below a certain level. I'd have to look at my A10 to see if there is a setting like that.
Anybody seen a problem like this before? I've had my A10 for almost 18 months and it's been nothing but smooth sailing so far. I'm particularly disappointed this happened when it did, as it was a special one-off show the artist did with a local orchestra.
I had a problem like that on my Tascam DR-07x. There was an auto recording mode, where the recorder would start / stop if the volume went below a certain level. I'd have to look at my A10 to see if there is a setting like that.
would I be able to use the CA-14 cards in mic-in with the A10 and still get good results?More than likely these questions have been answered in the back log of the A10 posts/threads as Church Audio gear is still popular.
I've also got a new CA-9200 preamp, would it be better to use the pre amp and audio in?
My trusty old M10 has finally died so I've got an A10 on order, arriving Wednesday.
I've been using the M10 with CA-14 Cards mic-in for a long time now with good results, would I be able to use the CA-14 cards in mic-in with the A10 and still get good results?
I've also got a new CA-9200 preamp, would it be better to use the pre amp and audio in?
I tape exclusively stealth and in small venues up to about 400 capacity max.
My A10 started acting out yesterday. When I turn it on, it just goes to a completely white screen. When I re-insert the SD card the recorder starts up correctly. WTF?!Try Sony service. At least ask them if this is a common problem. They replaced my first one for me.
I guess it's a good think that I recently got a spare unit.
Try Sony service. At least ask them if this is a common problem. They replaced my first one for me.
No luck with Sony support. They said I could send it in for service, but my A10 is out of warranty and a repair would easily set me back >200 €. Now I'm trying to drain the battery in the hopes that the unit somehow resets itself.
I have a brand new one in an open box, PM me if you are interested in buying it. Opened to test it out, never been used or taken out of the house.... it is/was a backup that I never needed.
Not a huge deal but minor nuisance, I read in the manual there should be no audio lost when the a10 switches from internal memory to the microsd card, but in my most recent recording, there's a little under a second missing. Not seamless at all.
I am planning on buying a sony A-10 and want to run DPA 4080s into the ext. mic input using a y adaptor(micro dot into stereo mini plug), is this deck capable of supplying power using plug in power without a battery box? I've spoken to Len at Core sound and would like to just plug in and go as sensitive metal detectors seem all the rage in Seattle these days. Bob
Old post, but why would a recording be split between external and internal memory?
How much internal memory does the A10 have?Not a huge deal but minor nuisance, I read in the manual there should be no audio lost when the a10 switches from internal memory to the microsd card, but in my most recent recording, there's a little under a second missing. Not seamless at all.
Not a huge deal but minor nuisance, I read in the manual there should be no audio lost when the a10 switches from internal memory to the microsd card, but in my most recent recording, there's a little under a second missing. Not seamless at all.
Old post, but why would a recording be split between external and internal memory?
How much internal memory does the A10 have?
I'm pretty sure there is a setting in the A10 for automatically switching between storage types if the one to which you started a recording fills up. I think I have my A10 set up this way. But I record to a 64GB card, and have never ran out of space on the card; so I don't know how well it works.
Old post, but why would a recording be split between external and internal memory?
How much internal memory does the A10 have?Not a huge deal but minor nuisance, I read in the manual there should be no audio lost when the a10 switches from internal memory to the microsd card, but in my most recent recording, there's a little under a second missing. Not seamless at all.
A10 has 16GB internal. I had some major failure with a slow microSD card once, so I stick to the internal now!
After a number of attempts, I was finally able to use my Samsung Galaxy A51 with the A10. Earlier contributions to my problems were correct - NFC has to be linked before Bluetooth.
It took several attempts. From what I recall after NFC begins to link, you are propmted to download the REC Remote to your phone. Then you are prompted to hook up Bluetooth. This was not a straightforward process. If you have this phone and are trying to connect via Bluetooth, make sure you do it before the show and NFC connection is the first step.
The A10 has worked flawlessly with my Pixel 6!
has anyone measured the pip voltage on the a10?
Would greatly appreciate any help with this.In quickly digging, without NFC, I do not believe the device can connect. I am fairly sure after my recent experience that Android phones need NFC connection. I just know that I had to make sure NFC was connected and the phone pretty much took over as soon as NFC verification was performed. It established Bluetooth connectivity after that via prompts - no other way of trying to get it to connect to my Galaxy A51 previously would work. Perhaps other Android users could reply about connecting it without NFC.
Would greatly appreciate any help with this.In quickly digging, without NFC, I do not believe the device can connect. I am fairly sure after my recent experience that Android phones need NFC connection. I just know that I had to make sure NFC was connected and the phone pretty much took over as soon as NFC verification was performed. It established Bluetooth connectivity after that via prompts - no other way of trying to get it to connect to my Galaxy A51 previously would work. Perhaps other Android users could reply about connecting it without NFC.
Would greatly appreciate any help with this.In quickly digging, without NFC, I do not believe the device can connect. I am fairly sure after my recent experience that Android phones need NFC connection. I just know that I had to make sure NFC was connected and the phone pretty much took over as soon as NFC verification was performed. It established Bluetooth connectivity after that via prompts - no other way of trying to get it to connect to my Galaxy A51 previously would work. Perhaps other Android users could reply about connecting it without NFC.
My unit has firmware version 1.01 - does anyone know if there is a newer version?
There had been no mention at all of this needed step in the instructions or the A10 help guide I found online; may never had found it other than by accident.I felt the same way when I got mine to connect. I swore I had tried every combination of ways to get them connected. When it worked, like you, I wondered why the process was not standardized. I feel like different phones force the user to try different ordered processes to get connected... and that is confusing.
Hopefully it will now connect easily the next time and I will be able to use the REC Remote app to control it. Will report back.
I still wonder if I can get both my A10s to work off one phone at the same time. If anyone has run two at the same time while using the app to monitor both, lmk.
I can switch back and forth between two A10’s. When I switch from #1 A10 to #2 A10, it disconnects BT from #1 and connects to #2 seamlessly it seems. Then switch back from #2 A10 to #1 A10, it disconnects BT from #2 and connects to #1 seamlessly it seems. Both recorders continue to record without issue when I do this.
I had a weird experience tonight where when I went to connect one of my A10s, my phone acted like it had never paired with it before. The show was starting, so I just pushed the record button on the A10 manually and figured I wouldn't monitor it, but 20 minutes in I tried checking bluetooth settings on my phone and this time it connected. Sunspots?
I haven't "manually" started my A10 at a show in so long ...
Since I pretty much always roll in >:D mode , first I'd have to dig it out, then I'd have to deactivate the "hold" function without accidentally turning it off (which requires removal of a velcro strip I use to keep things from getting jostled around), and then after hitting the record button ... I would have to figure out how to manually adjust the levels; something I haven't done in years.
There had been no mention at all of this needed step in the instructions or the A10 help guide I found online; may never had found it other than by accident.I felt the same way when I got mine to connect. I swore I had tried every combination of ways to get them connected. When it worked, like you, I wondered why the process was not standardized. I feel like different phones force the user to try different ordered processes to get connected... and that is confusing.
Hopefully it will now connect easily the next time and I will be able to use the REC Remote app to control it. Will report back.
Let us know how it goes.
I still wonder if I can get both my A10s to work off one phone at the same time. If anyone has run two at the same time while using the app to monitor both, lmk.
Also, related to what someone else said above, the hold switch isn't that easy to use, and it's annoying that it's the same switch used for power. Worried that I will take it off hold sometime and accidentally turn it off.
I often throw some gaff tape on to the back of the deck. I tear a piece off for the Hold/Power and a piece for the 3.5mm connections. This actually saved my ass one time with an M10 - I cover all input points except the Mic jack so I am not absent-mindedly using the wrong input.
Also, related to what someone else said above, the hold switch isn't that easy to use, and it's annoying that it's the same switch used for power. Worried that I will take it off hold sometime and accidentally turn it off.
Never ever taking it off hold while it's in use has worked for me.
Tried Bluetooth on an ancient Android phone, but won't use it at GA shows where I can get bumped and hit the wrong button on a sensitive touch screen.
Tried Bluetooth on an ancient Android phone, but won't use it at GA shows where I can get bumped and hit the wrong button on a sensitive touch screen.
I immediately power down the screen on my phone after using or checking the app, to ensure I don't hit anything by accident.
Thanks guys. Does anyone actually use the track mark feature? I saw in the manual about how to create them, but I don't know how you would use the file later.
Thanks guys. Does anyone actually use the track mark feature? I saw in the manual about how to create them, but I don't know how you would use the file later.The track mark feature, going back to DAT even, is mostly useful while you are using the device itself with the track marks in/on it.
The ".TMK" file is sort of like the Cue Sheet used in CD burning, Meta Data about the actual recorded music file
The ".TMK" file is sort of like the Cue Sheet used in CD burning, Meta Data about the actual recorded music file
Dang, got all excited the A10 could compile turbo pascal. I rocked that language, wrote my thesis with it 😀
i saw on this thread - a way to extend battery on A10Use any USB battery pack and stab it in there, or use an extension cable if that helps with strain relief. I'm testing it now, and it's recording fine using the phone remote app while being powered from this USB brick. The battery icon in the app even has the lightning bolt in it to indicate that it's on power.
is there a case/external batt available?
Confirmed that you can plug the usb Port into an external battery pack while in operation.Oh that's good to know. I didn't test that aspect, I plugged it in and THEN started the recording test.
thank you for testing it
can you folks reccomend a the slimmest most
compact usb ext battery block?
link please
I'll look into that. My recordings have been on the internal memory, not an SD card.Computer might recognize physical volume but not the logical volume with whatever name that has?
Huh, but I don't know how I will use any utilities or reformat the recorder if the computer doesn't recognize it.
I had the unit plugged into my windows laptop and was copying recorded files over when suddenly I got the error on my computer that the drive was not available.
The only think I can think of that I could have done to cause a problem is that I have not regularly been ejecting the unit before removing it, but I have never done that regularly with external hard drives or other recorders and it never caused any issues.
After I charged mine mid festival day the screen would light up but not start. I scrambled as I still had one headlining set to record. The fix was to take out the SD card and reinsert it
The other night using my A10s (I run one for stage, one for SBD) I had a bizarre issue where it seemingly unpaired from my phone, and would -not- re-pair no matter what I tried in the moment. Not sure if it was because I was surrounded by dozens of other Bluetooth devices in a rather large venue or what. Even after the show I was still unable to get it to pair without throwing errors, what *finally* worked was brute forcing it with NFC. By which I mean, I had to initiate NFC pairing at least 5 times before it finally "stuck", at which point it was perfect, again.
Ran into the issue after pairing it to my car for some listening for the first time the day prior, so, just throwing this out there as a cautionary tale, and as a possible fix if anyone else has the same thing occur. I had to Google where the NFC reader was in my phone - you put put it flush against the little NFC Icon on the back of the A10 and it then automatically tries to pair. Wasn't even aware of that feature.
The other night using my A10s (I run one for stage, one for SBD) I had a bizarre issue where it seemingly unpaired from my phone, and would -not- re-pair no matter what I tried in the moment. Not sure if it was because I was surrounded by dozens of other Bluetooth devices in a rather large venue or what. Even after the show I was still unable to get it to pair without throwing errors, what *finally* worked was brute forcing it with NFC. By which I mean, I had to initiate NFC pairing at least 5 times before it finally "stuck", at which point it was perfect, again.
Ran into the issue after pairing it to my car for some listening for the first time the day prior, so, just throwing this out there as a cautionary tale, and as a possible fix if anyone else has the same thing occur. I had to Google where the NFC reader was in my phone - you put put it flush against the little NFC Icon on the back of the A10 and it then automatically tries to pair. Wasn't even aware of that feature.
I am 99% >:D and was having occasional issues with my rig getting jostled; especially at crowded standing shows. I came up with the idea of using a couple of velcro strips. One wraps around three times and fits under the right-angle plug arm. The other is just a single velcro strip to keep the wire from moving around. I haven't had a single issue since I've been doing this for the last several months, so I think I can confidently say it works.
The limiter, not automatic gain control? From your description, that sounds more like AGC behavior.
Like Morst, I leave the limiter on all the time (but at low overall gain) and have never noticed anything weird. I leave the applause for iZotope to handle in post, since I know it'll do the job.
I thought the limiter was just on /off. What do you mean you use it with low overall gain?
The limiter, not automatic gain control? From your description, that sounds more like AGC behavior.It definitely sounds like what automatic gain control does but I'm pretty sure I had it set for manual. And the parts between applause sound fine. Oh well.
The limiter, not automatic gain control? From your description, that sounds more like AGC behavior.It definitely sounds like what automatic gain control does but I'm pretty sure I had it set for manual. And the parts between applause sound fine. Oh well.
Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series. Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?
Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series. Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?They all seem the same that I've noticed. Only one firmware version as well.
Don't know if anyone's encountered this, but I had my unit refuse to power up yesterday, no matter what. Wouldn't accept an attempt at charging, either. After a frantic Google search, I tried the suggested "simultaneously hold down the volume UP side of the tab, and move the power slider into the down ("power") position. The suggestion was to hold it this way for 2 minutes. After about a minute, I stopped, removed my fingers and... voila! It lit right up, and it's good as new. It did not appear that I'd allowed it to completely run out of juice as there were full bars showing. Was already exploring my $200+ options for a new one, as I can't live without one of these!
If I have the 'one channel lower than the other line in' issue out of warranty, and I just screwed and have to buy a new one? Or any way to repair? I use one of my A10s for SBD captures, love the remote monitoring, but I've been having this issue intermittently. I have been able to just explode the tracks to mono and normalize and it hasn't resulted in too much loss, but it still sucks and I'm concerned it'll get worse :/
If I have the 'one channel lower than the other line in' issue out of warranty, and I just screwed and have to buy a new one? Or any way to repair? I use one of my A10s for SBD captures, love the remote monitoring, but I've been having this issue intermittently. I have been able to just explode the tracks to mono and normalize and it hasn't resulted in too much loss, but it still sucks and I'm concerned it'll get worse :/
It's definitely not a problem of a battery box with a dying battery?
No, this is just for SBD capture. Seen it at multiple venues, now.
I just upgraded to the 13 Pro today and couldn't get my A10 to connect. I knew that I had read something on here about it and found the post. On the A10, I kept trying to add an Audio Device and nothing would work. After reading this post, I played with some settings and what did work for me was going into Bluetooth>REC Remote. There I saw my old device in the Manage Added Devices. I decided to try the Add Device (Pairing) from there and lo and behold, the bluetooth device was finally recognized on my phone and I'm all good to go. Now, I didn't look up the A10 directions, so maybe this is how it is supposed to be done anyway, but like I said, I was trying to pair the device from the Audio Device menu. Which was wrong.
Just thought I'd add to this.IMPORTANT FOR iPHONE 13 USERS
I've had my A10 for one year and it's been my main recording deck since the day I got it (previous main deck was an Edirol R-07). I used my iPhone 12 Pro Max when I first got the A10, and I've been loving the ease with which I can control the recording with an app on my phone. A week ago, I got an iPhone 13 Pro Max (w/ 1TB storage). And that's when this conundrum began ... no matter what I did, I could not get the iPhone 13 to recognize (and pair with) the A10. I tried and tried and tried ... but no dice. The only saving grace was that the iPhone 12 / A10 combo has always worked just fine, so I was still able to >:D two shows last week while using the A10 app on my iPhone. But I only have two weeks from receipt of the iPhone 13 to return the iPhone 12 and get the guaranteed refund for the trade-in. I chatted with Apple support via text at their webpage ... not much help. I drove over to a Best Buy and found a sharp young guy in the smart phone section and he actually gave it a really good effort (especially considering I didn't buy the phone or recorder from Best Buy so I was just a random guy walking in off the street asking for service). After that, I finally decided I had to go big, so I made an appointment at the nearest Apple Store, which is an hour drive away. I don't go there often, so I don't know what's normal, but I was seen after waiting 5 minutes or so. The person who assisted me was a young lady named Grace, probably in her mid-late 20s. She dove right into it - had my iPhone 12, iPhone 13 and A10 layed out along with a few other devices of her own and also had the A10 manual pulled up on her iPad. For a good half hour she poked around through the iPhone menus, ran diagnostics, did various other testing, went to the backroom a couple of times ... but no bueno. She called her boss Sasha over and he worked on it for five minutes or so. He had some really insightful ideas for fixes ... but even he couldn't solve this. Sasha got called away to another customer and Grace went back at it. Around 45 minutes in - after reading parts of the A10 manual - Grace started taking a hard look at the menus in the A10; in particular, the Bluetooth menu. And then she found something and BANG - just like that - problem solved. So the smart thing for me at that point would have been to ask Grace exactly what she had just found that fixed the problem. But I was super happy to finally get this saga done with and this was 50 minutes into the session; and I could tell Grace needed a break. So I just thanked her and left. Just as she was about to solve the problem, however, I do remember her saying she was looking at the bluetooth settings in the A10 and it looked like it was set to send data out to a device like a bluetooth speaker, as opposed to being set to receive data from a recording rig. So after it was all said and done ... there is still that mystery out there ... if the bluetooth settings in the A10 were the problem (with the iPhone 13), for the last year, why (how?) did the A10 work just fine with the iPhone 12? Grace was equally baffled by this question.
TL;DR: If you upgrade an iPhone that works properly with the A10 app, but your new iPhone doesn't connect over bluetooth with the A10 app, the solution is probably in the A10's bluetooth menu.
No, this is just for SBD capture. Seen it at multiple venues, now.
Weird. And you've tried swapping out the cables and it happens regardless? Any discernable pattern to when the problem recurs?
Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series. Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?Make absolutely sure it is an international model. The Japanese market models are hardware locked to Japanese and can not be changed.
...although the international ones work great, and Google Translate's camera function is effective!Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series. Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?Make absolutely sure it is an international model. The Japanese market models are hardware locked to Japanese and can not be changed.
...although the international ones work great, and Google Translate's camera function is effective!Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series. Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?Make absolutely sure it is an international model. The Japanese market models are hardware locked to Japanese and can not be changed.
:yahoo:
Is anyone here using the Japanese model and able to give feedback?Is there a Japanese localized A10? I have a Japanese PCM-M10, but that's an older model.
Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series. Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?Make absolutely sure it is an international model. The Japanese market models are hardware locked to Japanese and can not be changed.
Of what?Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series. Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?Make absolutely sure it is an international model. The Japanese market models are hardware locked to Japanese and can not be changed.
Oh. Photos or link?
Of what?Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series. Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?Make absolutely sure it is an international model. The Japanese market models are hardware locked to Japanese and can not be changed.
Oh. Photos or link?
I will believe there is a Japanese language version of this recorder when I see a photo of it.Of what?Oh. Photos or link?Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series. Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?Make absolutely sure it is an international model. The Japanese market models are hardware locked to Japanese and can not be changed.
I will believe there is a Japanese language version of this recorder when I see a photo of it.Stay strong Morst, Japanese A10s can only be activated by Jewish space lasers.
Of what?Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series. Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?Make absolutely sure it is an international model. The Japanese market models are hardware locked to Japanese and can not be changed.
Oh. Photos or link?
I will believe there is a Japanese language version of this recorder when I see a photo of it.
Of what?Looking to pick one up and found a good price thru an Ebay vendor from China. The listing claims it is U.S. A Series. Does anyone know if there have been different series of models and if there should be concerns with buying?Make absolutely sure it is an international model. The Japanese market models are hardware locked to Japanese and can not be changed.
Does it work with the app though?
Might be easier to navigate core functions in English with the app.
Oh. Photos or link?
I will believe there is a Japanese language version of this recorder when I see a photo of it.
I notice some people believes it would be trivial to navigate the menus with the help from Google Translate.
To each their own.
I personally wouldn't want to sit in the dark, needing to change a setting fast and fumble with Google Translate.
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I notice some people believes it would be trivial to navigate the menus with the help from Google Translate.Thanks for the detailed pics. I don't have to use the menus on my A10 recorder out in the field very much, but I can understand wanting easy-to-read menus.
To each their own.
I personally wouldn't want to sit in the dark, needing to change a setting fast and fumble with Google Translate.
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I will believe there is a Japanese language version of this recorder when I see a photo of it.Stay strong Morst, Japanese A10s can only be activated by Jewish space lasers.
using the internal mics, record level of 6 with limiter on will be as good as it gets, in my experience.
Have not really tried without the limiter...
You should have a DC blocking cap at the battery box output for each channel. Might want to start there - see if you get a DC reading with mics plugged in.
So I did some extensive reading on the A10 before buying one recently, but one thing I never found a clear answer on was the cause of the channel failures.
I saw a bunch of people theorise that it was 12V battery boxes killing the input - was that ever confirmed? For people who did have an A10 die, can you comment if you were using 9V or 12V BB's.
I've currently got a 12V BB but if it's going to kill my A10, I'll make a 9V version if it's going to be safer.
You should have a DC blocking cap at the battery box output for each channel. Might want to start there - see if you get a DC reading with mics plugged in.
So just to ensure I'm understanding you correctly:
1) Plug in microphones into battery box input
2) Use a multimeter at the battery box output and test for DC voltage? If so, where am I putting the positive and negative probes?
I'm using a SP-SPSB-10 from the Sound Professionals, so hopefully there is DC blocking.