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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: creekfreak on March 23, 2004, 01:26:47 PM
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Ok, decided to sell my mk4's that I have not been overly happy with to get something new to play with. Very interested in playing with omni's and figure 8 so I figured the TL's would be the easiest way to go, most bang for the buck.
I have never used LD mics. What kind of hardware will I need for these? are the shockmounts that come with them good for field use? what kind of mountbar do I need? what other hardware do I need to run XY or blumlein?
thanks, haven't had much luck searching the site for these answers.
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i would go w/ a shure vert bar and costigans nice mod to it to run LD's vertical!!!persoan;lly, thats what i'd do!!!
i believe everyone uses the shocks w/ great success, but since ive never ran them, i cant say!
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the shockmounts i got with my tl's in dec 02 have worked great. never had a problem with em. i used a regular stereo bar for about a year, and just picked up a vert bar recently. got a clamp from phil about 5 months ago. i use the clamp + vert bar for blumein. i have used the stereo bar solo for xy, but i like the cleaner look that the vert bar provides for xy. moke has some pics of him using blumein and vertical xy. so does tim with his u89's.
you can always call larry villella at adk and he can give u some info on what they ship nowadays.
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my dog ate one of the screens and larry sent me 2 brand new ones for free....
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your mics should always sound the same with screens on... the screens should attenuate all fq's equally across the board or else they are worthless....
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what is this LD mod you speak of?
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it has to do with basically lenghtening the vert bar so you don't have to use a clamp. there are pics of it somewhere in the rig pics section.
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since I dont run LDs I dont know the answer to this, but why wouldnt you run the mics on their sides? If you space the two threads on the shure bar to the extreme ends, it will fit. I must be missing something...
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I for the life of me can't find these pictures
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^^^^
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Brian Costigans LD Mod for Shure Vert Bar (http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=13407)
+T thanks Moke....so how does one run these bad boys say ORTF, or DIN? Just confused on which way the LD point
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I use thye akg bar for all NC patterns... works great.
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Mike, I actually have a folder on my desktop with all of your classical pics saved in it! I look at them when I listen to those discs...
I'm a geek...
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+T back at ya Mike...
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hah, I've been trying out XY all morn with my new TLsand then roll around gere and see this thread....
love this place!
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I find pictures to be very useful. You can write down the location of the mics and try and describe it but a photo really brings the recording location to life and helps a listener who wasn't present to better understand the location of the mics in the hall and, hopefully, better comprehend the sound of the tape.
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need to see a pic of some LD mics running XY with a T/stereo bar :)
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heres a pic of tlm170's set up horizontally
http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?board=20;action=display;threadid=15092
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Thank You!
going to tape Thurs > Sun with these bad boys, so I'm prepping hard......
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so you can run the LD mics hortizontally and vertically? how does that work?
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so you can run the LD mics hortizontally and vertically? how does that work?
oh no, not again...
::) :)
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so you can run the LD mics hortizontally and vertically? how does that work?
oh no, not again...
::) :)
sorry to sound like a complete newb here, guess I have been running the schoeps too long, just snap them into the DIN or ORTF bar and I am done......time to relearn again :-*
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I find pictures to be very useful. You can write down the location of the mics and try and describe it but a photo really brings the recording location to life and helps a listener who wasn't present to better understand the location of the mics in the hall and, hopefully, better comprehend the sound of the tape.
you just used an awful lot of words to say "a picture is worth a thousand words" didn't you?
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I find pictures to be very useful. You can write down the location of the mics and try and describe it but a photo really brings the recording location to life and helps a listener who wasn't present to better understand the location of the mics in the hall and, hopefully, better comprehend the sound of the tape.
you just used an awful lot of words to say "a picture is worth a thousand words" didn't you?
don't you lawyers get paid by the word? ;D
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Damon - you know what, I almost wrote exactly that. diarrhea of the mouth!
Chris - hold your thumb up and imagine your fingernail is the diaphragm, hold it straight up. Now turn your thumb on it's side. See?
there is some dispute as to whether the housing of the mic might affect the way the sound waves reach the diaphragm when the mic is on it's side. Robert Kwon has some info on this.
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if you get a regular stereo bar, put the shockmounts on with the screew dealie at a 90 degree angle. then the mics sit vertically, but on a horizontal plane
like this:
x x
x-----x
x x
where the x's are the 2 bodies, and the -'s represent the stereo bar. to run din/ortf, just adjust your shockmount/mic spacing and degrees accordingly.
i think phil has some pics of me and tim from phil and phriends running ortf/din.
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i think we need pictures of this :)
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i think we need pictures of this :)
Real estate is slow today ;)
(http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v16/kindguy/IM001022.jpg)
(http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v16/kindguy/IM001023.jpg)
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kindguy bites his nails too.
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Kindguy needs to trim his nails.
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ahhhhh...I got it now, thanks guys, good thread today
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The reason I came up with that mod for the vert bar is I didn't trust putting the mics sideways fearing they'd come loose and gravity would take over.
I guess people run them horizontally with no trouble?
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I have seen people run them both ways, never heard of any one having issues with running them horizontally.
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The reason I came up with that mod for the vert bar is I didn't trust putting the mics sideways fearing they'd come loose and gravity would take over.
I guess people run them horizontally with no trouble?
fair enough, I was just wondering if maybe I didnt understand how sound addresses the LD mics...
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i run my tl's in xy by just screwing the top shockmount into the top of my stand. then just put a clamp my other shockmoutn below it. no need to spend extra cash on getting another stereo bar if you already have a clamp.
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good to know, I have a clamp I can use...cool
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The reason I came up with that mod for the vert bar is I didn't trust putting the mics sideways fearing they'd come loose and gravity would take over.
I guess people run them horizontally with no trouble?
fair enough, I was just wondering if maybe I didnt understand how sound addresses the LD mics...
Robert Kwon sent me some emails about the effect that the housing of a LD may have when the mic is run horizontally... I'll see if I can find them. Basically they couldn't confirm anything but they had an idea on how to test for any effects.
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i run my tl's in xy by just screwing the top shockmount into the top of my stand. then just put a clamp my other shockmoutn below it. no need to spend extra cash on getting another stereo bar if you already have a clamp.
bingo.
check this thread, there's one picture on page 1 and two really nice shots on page 2.
http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?board=20;action=display;threadid=11892
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"Robert Kwon sent me some emails about the effect that the housing of a LD may have when the mic is run horizontally... I'll see if I can find them. Basically they couldn't confirm anything but they had an idea on how to test for any effects."
yeah, I think it's similar to the issue of using the trim knobs on the V2....the POTENTIAL is there to introduce noise, but it may not(I know, not the best analogy)
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how's this as a sort of guide to see if they are ined up right for XY configuration????
I cut a piece of cardboard in a small right angle V to hold above the mics and then see if the lines across the tops of the grill are even?
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[fair enough, I was just wondering if maybe I didnt understand how sound addresses the LD mics...
Sorry for this, but I really, really have to........
Art Carney: "Hello dere LD mics!"
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how's this as a sort of guide to see if they are ined up right for XY configuration????
I cut a piece of cardboard in a small right angle V to hold above the mics and then see if the lines across the tops of the grill are even?
sounds like it should work!
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do I hear something bubblin? ;)