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Rode NT4?
« on: February 06, 2009, 09:18:48 AM »
So who here has used the Rode NT4 mic?  Any good or bad reviews about it when recording rock music?  Lack of a switchable low-frequency roll-off and -10 dB input attenuation is a bit of a downer. But it looks like a good one.

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 09:43:27 AM »
don't waste your time. for the same price you can grab some of these: http://www.busmanaudio.com/bsc1.html  which are handbuilt by one of our board member. Search BUSMAN

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2009, 09:44:28 AM »
I recently bought one and am very happy with the purchase. It is quiet and detailed, easy to use and with a clear sound and stereo image, at least for its price.
Anyway, just my personal opinion - please consider that I don't tape rock music (mostly jazz) and that the lack of attenuator or  roll off is no problem to me because I have these features on the mixpre.

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2009, 09:48:34 AM »
don't waste your time. for the same price you can grab some of these: http://www.busmanaudio.com/bsc1.html  which are handbuilt by one of our board member.


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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 09:53:41 AM »
The Busman mics are a stereo pair which come with the following capsules: Omni, Cardioid, Hyper Cardioid, and Wide Cardioid.  If you are looking for a stereo microphone, he also offers an LD Stereo mic as well. I can see where you are coming from when it comes to ease of use of the NT4. No preamp necessary. You can plug straight into a recorder.

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 01:27:13 PM »
I've visited the Busman site, and there is a stereo mic which is sold with a power supply. Then the sheet says "it can also be powered with phantom power". So, what is the "supplied power supply"?
Apart from that, has anyone any advice on this mic, and how coud it work with edirol r09hr for recording classical?
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 01:39:23 PM »
It's just a phantom box basically if your deck doesn't provide 48v.  Take a listen to this.  This is the Busman multipattern stereo mic.  I think it sounds outstanding.  This set was 100% unplugged.  He sang and played right into it.

http://www.archive.org/details/shinyribs2008-08-03.workshopbarnstage-busmanaudioBSCSM.flac16

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 01:43:58 PM »
I've visited the Busman site, and there is a stereo mic which is sold with a power supply. Then the sheet says "it can also be powered with phantom power". So, what is the "supplied power supply"?
Apart from that, has anyone any advice on this mic, and how coud it work with edirol r09hr for recording classical?
thank you very much
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(mark beat me to it, and I'm lazy to edit my post)

The BSCS-L and BSCS-M include power supplies if you were going to use them in the studio or with a pre-amp that doesn't provide P48. For live taping purposes, most of our recorders or pre-amps will supply P48, and thats what I do with mine.

If you were going to use the R09HR, then your signal chain could be accomplished via BSCS-L (or BSCS-M) > Denecke PS2 > R-09. The PS2 provides the phantom, but doesn't handle any pre-amp functions. Core-Sound makes a similar product as do others, I just reference the PS2 since I've seen one in the field before.
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 04:24:17 PM »
Thank you. I was wondering if with this power supply (which, as I understand, powers the mic instead of a phantom) it is possible to directly plug the mic into edirol mic input (with an adapter from mono xlr's to minijack, of course). Apart from this I couldn't find specs on this mics talking about self noise and sensitivity, which  could prove significant in order to avoid noise issues with pocket decks. Is Busman distributed in Europe?

Regarding the Rode nt4 (which is the present topic) I wonder how it could couple with piano classical music, as it is difficult to find such samples on google.
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2009, 03:41:06 AM »
in http://www.rodemic.com/microphone.php?product=NT4 you will find some sound samples, including piano and vocals.

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2009, 06:09:34 AM »
Thank you,
I've already watched the piano and vocals video, and it's not bad. In the video I can see the mic placed 4 or 5 metres far from the source, with the singer closer than the piano.
I guess how this mic would sound closer to the source (i.e. 1 mt from the piano) in terms of tone (in the video the piano sound wasn't enough deep for my taste). With such a close miking one could maybe try to go straight line in?
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2009, 02:16:13 PM »
dave570, the Røde NT 4 is a stereo microphone based on a pair of coincident cardioid capsules set so that each one points 45 degrees away from the intended "center line" of the recording.

Røde microphones in general are nothing to be ashamed of, but that configuration just doesn't make sense for the kind of music recording that people here mostly do. There are close-miking applications for this type of microphone; stereo microphones are more of a Good Thing in studios than many people seem to realize until they try one. But as the main overall pair for concert recording, I would never use coincident cardioids with only a 90-degree angle between them--not even with microphones of much higher quality.

A cardioid pattern isn't at all "sharp." It's really just an omni with slightly reduced sensitivity at the sides and distinctly lower sensitivity behind it (though this directional pattern often varies significantly in different frequency ranges; most switchable-pattern microphones have a "cardioid" setting in which the low frequency pickup pattern is much wider than the pickup pattern in the midrange. Many manufacturers show their microphones' patterns only at 1 kHz and not also, say, at 50 to 100 Hz. But I digress).

The main thing is, in most normal concert recording situations the microphones aren't close to any particular sound source, so a ±45-degree angle between two cardioid capsules doesn't give enough differentiation between the left and right microphone signals to distribute the apparent sound sources across the width of the stereophonic "sound stage." The two capsules end up picking up largely the same information as each other, since their patterns overlap so much. The result is a recording that is largely monophonic--during playback over loudspeakers, all the apparent sound sources tend to crowd in together at the center of the stereo image. Good stereo imaging requires a greater difference between left and right signals than coincident cardioids at so narrow an angle can produce in a non-close-miking situation.

If on the other hand your miking was quite close-in, the balance would then be weighted heavily toward whatever sound source the mikes were closest to. For most concert recording that's not any good, either--though as I said, studio engineers (or even live sound engineers with stereo P.A. systems) can use this effect to advantage, and the NT 4 has gotten some good reviews from studio magazines.

It's much more difficult to manufacture good-sounding capsules with greater directivity than cardioid, but in an X/Y stereo microphone that's doomed to have a fixed angle between its capsules, no switchable patterns and no M/S capability, supercardioid capsules would give a better stereo image. Alternatively, a good pair of small axial cardioids in an "ORTF" arrangement can be a very useful thing. I used to have a microphone like that (a Schoeps MSTC) and it proved to be quite a workhorse.

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2009, 02:25:41 PM »
Thank you. I was wondering if with this power supply (which, as I understand, powers the mic instead of a phantom) it is possible to directly plug the mic into edirol mic input (with an adapter from mono xlr's to minijack, of course). Apart from this I couldn't find specs on this mics talking about self noise and sensitivity, which  could prove significant in order to avoid noise issues with pocket decks. Is Busman distributed in Europe?

The NT4 and Busman series all require P48, so no, you'd need something else (either the PS2, 2Phant, or the supplied power supply) to provide that as the Edirol R09 series recorders do not provide P48 to mics. For non-P48 applications, you'd need something like the minature Core Sound mics, or Church Audio mics, both makers have mics that run on 9v batteries or "plugin" power which I think is provided from the R09 series.

As for specs:
http://www.rodemicrophones.com/microphone.php?product=NT4 (already noted above, click on specs tab)
http://busmanaudio.com/bscs_l.html (specs at bottom)

Roughly the same, couple of nuances. For missing specs (like the S/N ratio or conversion of sensitivity to mv/pa), there is a calculator somewhere around here that will take any of the two bits of info provided and derive the third. Most of the differences will be in their sound and as Satz noted; what they can accomplish for patterns and setup.

edit: I'm retarded sometimes, thought the NT4 was P48 only (see next post for correction), didn't know about the battery option.
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2009, 02:50:27 PM »
Page, the NT4 does not require P48.  It has the option of internal battery, or P48....

That said, I highly recomend running the mic from P48, it sounds noticably better than running it from the battery.

The NT4 does sound nice close to the source and as Dsatz mentioned it finds some really nice uses in the studio.  If you are set on the NT4 and need to record from a distance you can purchase a pair of the studio projects C4 hyper card capsules, these fit and function on the NT4 quite well.  The hyper will give you a better stereo recording angle for concert field recording...
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2009, 06:47:28 AM »
Page, the NT4 does not require P48.  It has the option of internal battery, or P48....

That said, I highly recomend running the mic from P48, it sounds noticably better than running it from the battery.


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you can purchase a pair of the studio projects C4 hyper card capsules, these fit and function on the NT4 quite well. 

Boing! Really? Could you share more infos about that?

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2009, 01:09:04 PM »
Here is what I have been able to gather. (Note: NT4, NT6, NT5 and NT55 all share the same capsules)

The rode NT5 were originally manufactured at 797audio in China.  In the last decade Rode has been manufacting all of their mics (so they claim) in their own factory in Austrailia.

As you may know, Studio Projects is manufactured at 797audio and the similarity between the C4 and NT5 is remarkable when you have them side by side.

The C4 and NT5 capsules are nearly identical by looking at them.  Internally they are not the same as they have significantly different frequency response and sound.

I have treid every combination of these two microphones.  C4 caps on NT5 body, NT5 caps on C4 body.  They all perform and function as if they were meant for each other.     

My favorite combination is the C4 hyper on the Rode body. 
The C4 card has a more pronounced presence peak making it a bit more ideal for distance recording compared to the Rode card.  The Rode omni is nothing short of amazing and was impressive enough I sold my C4 omni pair....

I now use all of the capsules with my Rode NT6 pair:

Rode Cards
SP C4 Cards
SP C4 Hypers
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2009, 02:47:30 PM »
Even though the C4 hyper happens to work for the NT4, it isn't the best option.  XY with hypers can't be much better than XY with cards for concert taping....

There are some nice Mid-Side mics you could score used that would better fit taping shows....
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2009, 07:56:17 PM »
> XY with hypers can't be much better than XY with cards for concert taping....

Begging your pardon, but you should definitely try it before passing judgement. Especially when the angle between capsules is 90 degrees for both patterns, as it would be with the Røde NT 4, there's quite a considerable difference.

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2009, 07:04:37 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2009, 09:26:07 AM »
Begging your pardon, but you should definitely try it before passing judgement. Especially when the angle between capsules is 90 degrees for both patterns, as it would be with the Røde NT 4, there's quite a considerable difference.

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Especially since the angle is fixed, having that tighter pattern yeilds more stereo seperation (for better or worse).
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2009, 11:06:05 AM »
No pardon nessesary, I've been down the path of xy hypers....

I do respect the option of using a hyper xy/90 in favor of a card, I even suggested using the C4 hyper. I just don't think either of them are ideal...

Many of us respect Mr. Williams "StereoPhonic Zoom," and I assume we can use his theory as an evaluation guideline?
Lets also assume that concert recording from a distance would render a typical SRA of ±30-50. Every venue I tape at has less than a ±50 SRA (OTS or FOB). Obviously a higher recommended SRA would apply to stage lip or direct micing techniques...

A hyper XY@90°'s SRA of ±60 is certainly better than the ±90 of the card, but you could do much better with near-coincident pair....

Additionally, many cheaper hypercards have a weak bass response which can benefit from a wider spacing....
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2009, 12:21:48 PM »
A friend of mine (WheresJerry) got an NT4 for his first mic.  He just isn't one of those people big on experimentation and wanted something "point and shoot".  Some people want to try different capsules and setup configurations... others don't.  Anyway, I've been quite impressed with his pulls from the NT4.  There is a particular show on the archive... http://www.archive.org/details/ratdog2007-08-11.ratdogvibes2007-08-11

Using the battery in the mic instead of phantom power makes the recorder batteries last longer... an important consideration for weekend festivals.  And FWIW, I have run it NT4 > R09 without an external preamp, and it works.  You can't do that with an LSD2.
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2009, 04:17:34 PM »
So, if I understand well, the x-y 90 degrees confiuration of nt4 should work fine for a close miking, and hyper capsules on the same nt4 body would do best at a certain distance.
If it'so, how would you call it a riht distance for both situations? I.e., 1 mt or 1mt and half could be a close mikin for a piano, or there is a better position?
And, talkin about hyper, which is the minimum distance you advice?
thank you.
As I read here on TS there are sure other possibilities like Church audio mics. About these products I have a couple of questions: are they available only in USA or they can be ordered from Italy also?
Other question: I read they are great mikes for stealthing, thing which can be of primary importance for some people but not for me, as I record my own piano recitals. Given that I don't need the stealth option, how do they compare with NT4 in terms of sound performance and noise level (I've read that little mikes have more noise than biggger ones) for classical music? I specify that I perform classical music as I seee that here on TS most people tape loud rock shows, which is a different thing.
thank you for your replies.
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2009, 06:25:17 PM »
The first part of your question can best be answered by reading this paper:
http://www.microphone-data.com/pdfs/Stereo%20zoom.pdf
It isn't really about the distance, it is more about the angle (typically the further away from the source you are the less angle there will be)

The second part of your question I will leave to someone else.....
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2009, 06:50:13 AM »
Somebody in an italian forum said that not many people know that the microphone cable supplied with the rode nt4 which ends in a 1/8 stereo minijack has got resistors (I just report this but I don't know anything of this technical stuff) which contribute to loose a part of the signal.
What do you think about this? And what does it happen if one substitutes the cable?
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2009, 12:11:55 PM »
You're talking about the pad.

Here Rob Danielson shows how to remove it:
http://www.uwm.edu/~type/audio-reports/Rode_NT-4_Cable_Mod/NT-4_CableMod-index.htm

Basically you get more sensitivity.

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2009, 01:32:08 PM »
I removed the resistors, that little mod is great for our little recorders.

Modded NT4 & D50 is a really nice combo - its not quite cheap but for my personal taste the entrance to the real world of recording.

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2009, 01:41:25 PM »
Thank you for the link. In case I'll buy a Roden4 I'll have the mod done. But, as it is sort of a pad, wouldn't it prove convenient to leave the cable as it is and use another one, just to have a chance in case of situations in which the spl could be very very high?

Why, at your opinion, there is such a pad (and there is not in the balanced cable)?
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2009, 02:38:01 PM »
carpa, it makes sense that Røde would do this. Any device with a 1/8" mini-jack microphone input can safely be assumed to be a consumer item. There are several problems that typically come up when connecting professional microphones to consumer recording devices. I'm not using the words "professional" and "consumer" to indicate quality or value; as a practical matter the industry standards for those two types of equipment are separate, and equipment of the one type won't necessarily work with equipment of the other type without some amount of "translation." Pad resistors can be one useful form of "translation."

When connecting professional condenser microphones to consumer recording equipment, three problems must be considered: (a) professional microphones have balanced outputs while the inputs of consumer recording equipment are unbalanced; (b) professional condenser microphones require a form of external powering which by convention, is built into professional recording equipment (while if there's any powering built into consumer recording equipment, it's almost always an incompatible type of powering); and (c) professional condenser microphones can put out signal levels (voltages) that are too strong for consumer recording equipment. Consumer microphones generally put out lower voltage levels, sometimes only 1/20 or less of what professional condenser microphones may put out for the same sound levels.

When the input of a recording or amplifying device is confronted with higher signal voltages than it was designed to handle, the result can be a very nasty kind of distortion called "clipping." Turning down the record level control very often doesn't help when this occurs--the "clipping" (overload distortion) occurs in the very first active stage of the circuitry, before the level control has any say over the device's behavior. As a result, you end up just turning down the level at which you're recording a hopelessly distorted signal.

This all can be illustrated with numbers--the sensitivity and overload specifications of various pieces of equipment--but for now I'm just trying to explain what's basically going on. Anyway, the "pad" built into the cable reduces the likelihood of this type of overload, which is a fairly common problem when professional condenser microphones are used with consumer recording devices.

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2009, 06:27:07 PM »
Thank you for the link. In case I'll buy a Roden4 I'll have the mod done. But, as it is sort of a pad, wouldn't it prove convenient to leave the cable as it is and use another one, just to have a chance in case of situations in which the spl could be very very high?

Why, at your opinion, there is such a pad (and there is not in the balanced cable)?
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I believe Rode have stopped padding their 1/8" connector cable, I had mine apart a couple of weeks ago to steal the XLR connector off it (to swap it with the bulkey XLR connector on the XLR-to-Stereo-XLR cable as it wouldn't fit in my blimp) and it was free of any resistors.

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2009, 05:07:38 AM »
Thank you digifish for the intormation, and thank Dsatz sor the explanation.

One question for Dsatz (or others, of course;only, as I read here, dsatz is very expert in classical recordings) just to help me in the choice I'll have to make in order to get better recordings out of my R09hr than the built in mics. I am a professional classical pianist, and I know that a very sophisticated gear -and a strong know-how-is requested to pull out great recordins; my aims are just to have a not-that-bad result from my own concerts for personal use (putting somethin on a website or just hear what I did in concert) without the concern of taking too much gear with me and spending extra time in positioning, listening and so on.
Most of my work is in being concentrated, "understand" the instrument I'm playing on, etc.; that's why I'm looking at the compromise brouht by stereo microphones, but I'm sure I don't have to explain it to you.

Talking about  stereo mics like Rode nt4, or the new AudioTechnica at8022, or Beyerdynamics (there are a couple of models), they have the possibility of being battery powered (and usually a 5pin to 1/8 minijack is used) or phantom powered (and xlr's are used).

One thing is powering a microphone, another is the balanced path, though most of the times throuh a balanced cable  phantom power is delivered.
I used to have a Sony ECM 979 microphone, designed for broadcast; it worked only with battery, but the supplied cable was 5pin to L and R xlrs.
I connected this mic to a sony dat 1/8 mic input using two line matching transformers (A95UF) from Shure, which -I was told- take the balanced signal and come out each with a mono 1/4 jack(male or female, there is the choice); then into the deck with a two mono-to stereo cable.
What do these little devices to the signal?In other words are they worth using  or is better to use a 5pin to 1/8 minijack cable, like the one supplied by Rode or others?
Apart from all this (excuse me for taking advantage of your patience and kindness) what woud you suggest as the best choice for me between the mics I indicated, or others I don'k know of? I don't have any limit in placement, going from inside the instrument to farther if needed, as long as it's me playing and there is no sthealting need.
thank you very much.
c



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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2009, 01:06:15 PM »
carpa, you seem to be actually interested in all this recording stuff, so let's talk. First of all, I own some cheap stereo microphones and some very expensive ones, but nothing in the in-between range that you're exploring. So I can't say much about the models you mentioned, except that those are all reputable brands. If you're near the point of buying something, let me know what it is and we can look at the spec sheet, just to make sure that there isn't some technical aspect that would make it really inappropriate for you.

About whether stereo mikes are a compromise: Probably, but it depends. They can definitely be convenient, depending to a large extent on what accessories are available for mounting them on a mike stand or suspending them from cables in a hall. Sonically, the main consideration is that most are designed for making "coincident" (single-point) stereo recordings with directional capsules. You might or might not prefer that approach to stereo recording in general. It was a favorite in Europe for a long time, starting in the early days of stereo in the 1950s and 60s, because coincident stereo recordings are inherently "mono-compatible." That is, if you sum the left and right channels you'll get a plausible mono recording, very similar to what you'd have gotten by placing a single microphone where the stereo microphone actually was.

By contrast, if you use a "spaced microphone" setup, because the sound reaches the two microphones at differing times, you can't sum the channels into mono without causing a lot of cancellation and coloration--a general loss of overall goodness. The thing is, mono listening in the IPod era (and the more long-established "stereo-system-in-your-car" era) isn't as prevalent as it was back then. It's still a consideration--but not necessarily big enough to force your choice of an approach, the way it was for some record companies and broadcasters in the 50s and 60s. Anyway the arrival-time differences are less drastic with a solo instrument than they are with, say, a full orchestra and chorus.

It turns out that for piano recording, a "spaced microphone" approach can give you some very tasty goodies, in part because you then get to use omnidirectional microphones which generally deliver much fuller low-frequency pickup than the typical directional capsules of a one-point stereo mike. Also, being spaced apart, the microphones produce much greater, and more sonically interesting, left-versus-right differences ("decorrelated" sound energy) at low frequencies--the main key to spaciousness in a recording.

On the other hand, stereo recordings made with spaced microphones tend to be rather "swimmy" and indistinct as far as the apparent position of the sound source is concerned. But people respond to them in a fundamentally different way from coincident recordings. Perhaps the difficulty in localizing anything makes folks listen more for color, I dunno.

Normally the first choice any engineer would make in choosing a stereo miking technique is whether you want to go for a stable stereo image and mono compatibility or for the more "oceanic" or "enveloping" type of stereo. For piano recording either option is viable. There are also some options in between which I'm quite fond of (e.g. "wide cardioid" capsules spaced a relatively short distance apart). That said, your need to focus on delivering the performance may well force you to choose quick, easy setup over anything else. But depending on how interested you are in the quality of recorded sound, you might want to become aware of these issues.

Finally, let me mention one further two-microphone stereo recording technique that might be of interest to you: M/S. M/S is a form of coincident recording, so it can be made with many types of coincident stereo microphone--though not all, since it requires one of the microphones to have a "figure-8" (bidirectional) pickup pattern. The point is, though, that you can set up an M/S microphone pair at a plausible point and make your recording--then once it's in the can, you can adjust certain aspects of the pickup "retroactively." That's a definite plus IF you have the time to spend choosing your favorite ratio of M to S in playback.

(For completeness: Any other coincident stereo recording can also be post-processed in this way, but the processing then requires one extra step: converting the L/R stereo signals into M/S format. M/S miking directly delivers the ingredients needed for this type of post-processing.)

So that's some background info, which may not help you at all with your practical situation of the moment, but I hope that long-term, it will help equip you to deal with the relationship between the miking method and what you hear and feel as you listen to a stereo recording.

--best regards
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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2009, 03:46:03 PM »
Thank you very much for your considerations, wich can be of great utility indeed. I know that omnis would sound better, and I'm not excluding this possibility. In this case I would probably address my attention to those kind of little caps (not DPA or Schoepps; they cost too much!)  that can be battery powered in an easy way; a light stand for positioning the caps -let's say - 60 cm apart wouldn't be a big issue if the "whole thing" turns to be easy.

I know something in theory about M-S; the Sony mic I used to have was an M-S with only internal matrix and a pot on the front allowing to move the stereo spread from 0 (mono) to 150 or 180 degrees. Nothing extraordinary, of course, but it was quite good for me until it broke down.

If you have 5 minutes you can go to this page http://www.akademus.it/presentazione.php?id_art=89   then click on the button "repertorio" on the left; there are five or six pages of repertoire list with the possibility to listen to many live extracts I recorded with this microphone. The quality is far from being professional, as for the gear itself as for the positioning varying from time to time; it's just to have an idea on a certain "audibility" below which I wouldn't like to tape.
Thank you really again,
c

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2011, 07:08:36 AM »
If you are set on the NT4 and need to record from a distance you can purchase a pair of the studio projects C4 hyper card capsules, these fit and function on the NT4 quite well.  The hyper will give you a better stereo recording angle for concert field recording...

I was just reading this old thread. Just to be clear for people researching this in the future - ASFAIK the NT4 capsules are permanently attached to the body and can NOT be changed out with others like the NT5's can. I sold my NT4 a bit ago but was researching the Busman stereo mic. Thanks.


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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2011, 10:40:33 AM »
the NT4 capsules are permanently attached to the body and can NOT be changed out with others like the NT5's can.


This is not true. You can remove the caps.

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2011, 01:20:55 PM »
Hmmm....I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I was trying to clarify something and now I've made it more confusing. I had an NT4 and sold it. I didn't see any way to remove the caps and was told that I could not. Even though the modular caps are listed on some store sites as for use with NT4 and NT5 I was told that they can't be used with the NT4. Have you removed the NT4 caps?

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2011, 03:08:32 PM »
You just unscrew them.

As reported the SP C4 caps fit on perfectly. I have used the hypers on my NT5.

If the stereo spread is not enough due to the 90° pattern, Nick of Nickspicks recommends the following:
W/the NT4, you can take the stereo signal in post, encode it to raw M-S and then re-mix it w/the width of your desire and decode back to stereo. (The free Voxengo mid side plug in will do this with most audio editors).

AT853's (all caps)/CM-300 Franken Naks (CP-1,2,3)/JBMod Nak 700's (CP-701,702) > Tascam DR-680
Or Sonic Studios DSM-6 > M10

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Re: Rode NT4?
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2011, 03:16:10 PM »
You just unscrew them.

As reported the SP C4 caps fit on perfectly. I have used the hypers on my NT5.

If the stereo spread is not enough due to the 90° pattern, Nick of Nickspicks recommends the following:
W/the NT4, you can take the stereo signal in post, encode it to raw M-S and then re-mix it w/the width of your desire and decode back to stereo. (The free Voxengo mid side plug in will do this with most audio editors).

I think I'm an idiot.  :(   I'm sorry for bringing this up. I got some bad info apparently and I never really tried hard enough to unscrew them I guess. And now after looking at pics of the NT4 it looks like they can be unscrewed. Can I delete my posts and go home now?  :-\ Again, I really apologize.

Jay

 

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