Author Topic: ADK TL's (Read 9532 times)

creekfreak · « **on:** March 23, 2004, 01:26:47 PM »

Ok, decided to sell my mk4's that I have not been overly happy with to get something new to play with. Very interested in playing with omni's and figure 8 so I figured the TL's would be the easiest way to go, most bang for the buck.

I have never used LD mics. What kind of hardware will I need for these? are the shockmounts that come with them good for field use? what kind of mountbar do I need? what other hardware do I need to run XY or blumlein?

thanks, haven't had much luck searching the site for these answers.

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2004, 01:32:40 PM »

i would go w/ a shure vert bar and costigans nice mod to it to run LD's vertical!!!persoan;lly, thats what i'd do!!!

i believe everyone uses the shocks w/ great success, but since ive never ran them, i cant say!

junkbondking · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2004, 01:35:22 PM »

the shockmounts i got with my tl's in dec 02 have worked great. never had a problem with em. i used a regular stereo bar for about a year, and just picked up a vert bar recently. got a clamp from phil about 5 months ago. i use the clamp + vert bar for blumein. i have used the stereo bar solo for xy, but i like the cleaner look that the vert bar provides for xy. moke has some pics of him using blumein and vertical xy. so does tim with his u89's.

you can always call larry villella at adk and he can give u some info on what they ship nowadays.

junkbondking · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2004, 01:45:57 PM »

my dog ate one of the screens and larry sent me 2 brand new ones for free....

jpschust · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2004, 01:52:11 PM »

your mics should always sound the same with screens on... the screens should attenuate all fq's equally across the board or else they are worthless....

creekfreak · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2004, 02:02:07 PM »

what is this LD mod you speak of?

junkbondking · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2004, 02:12:20 PM »

it has to do with basically lenghtening the vert bar so you don't have to use a clamp. there are pics of it somewhere in the rig pics section.

nickgregory · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2004, 02:21:12 PM »

since I dont run LDs I dont know the answer to this, but why wouldnt you run the mics on their sides? If you space the two threads on the shure bar to the extreme ends, it will fit. I must be missing something...

creekfreak · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2004, 02:32:27 PM »

I for the life of me can't find these pictures

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2004, 02:35:35 PM »

creekfreak · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2004, 02:36:10 PM »

Quote from: Moke on March 23, 2004, 02:28:02 PM

Brian Costigans LD Mod for Shure Vert Bar

+T thanks Moke....so how does one run these bad boys say ORTF, or DIN? Just confused on which way the LD point

Tim · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2004, 02:37:46 PM »

I use thye akg bar for all NC patterns... works great.

Tim · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2004, 02:42:58 PM »

Mike, I actually have a folder on my desktop with all of your classical pics saved in it! I look at them when I listen to those discs...

I'm a geek...

Tim · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2004, 03:13:57 PM »

+T back at ya Mike...

timP · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2004, 03:36:05 PM »

hah, I've been trying out XY all morn with my new TLsand then roll around gere and see this thread....
love this place!

Tim · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2004, 03:36:12 PM »

I find pictures to be very useful. You can write down the location of the mics and try and describe it but a photo really brings the recording location to life and helps a listener who wasn't present to better understand the location of the mics in the hall and, hopefully, better comprehend the sound of the tape.

timP · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2004, 03:43:39 PM »

need to see a pic of some LD mics running XY with a T/stereo bar

nic · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2004, 03:46:53 PM »

heres a pic of tlm170's set up horizontally
http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?board=20;action=display;threadid=15092

timP · « **Reply #18 on:** March 23, 2004, 03:50:22 PM »

Thank You!

going to tape Thurs > Sun with these bad boys, so I'm prepping hard......

creekfreak · « **Reply #19 on:** March 23, 2004, 03:53:07 PM »

so you can run the LD mics hortizontally and vertically? how does that work?

nic · « **Reply #20 on:** March 23, 2004, 03:54:39 PM »

Quote from: creekfreak on March 23, 2004, 03:53:07 PM

so you can run the LD mics hortizontally and vertically? how does that work?

oh no, not again...

creekfreak · « **Reply #21 on:** March 23, 2004, 03:58:55 PM »

Quote from: luvean on March 23, 2004, 03:54:39 PM

Quote from: creekfreak on March 23, 2004, 03:53:07 PM
so you can run the LD mics hortizontally and vertically? how does that work?

oh no, not again...

sorry to sound like a complete newb here, guess I have been running the schoeps too long, just snap them into the DIN or ORTF bar and I am done......time to relearn again

dmonterisi · « **Reply #22 on:** March 23, 2004, 04:03:11 PM »

Quote from: Tim on March 23, 2004, 03:36:12 PM

I find pictures to be very useful. You can write down the location of the mics and try and describe it but a photo really brings the recording location to life and helps a listener who wasn't present to better understand the location of the mics in the hall and, hopefully, better comprehend the sound of the tape.

you just used an awful lot of words to say "a picture is worth a thousand words" didn't you?

nickgregory · « **Reply #23 on:** March 23, 2004, 04:05:31 PM »

Quote from: dmonterisi on March 23, 2004, 04:03:11 PM

Quote from: Tim on March 23, 2004, 03:36:12 PM
I find pictures to be very useful. You can write down the location of the mics and try and describe it but a photo really brings the recording location to life and helps a listener who wasn't present to better understand the location of the mics in the hall and, hopefully, better comprehend the sound of the tape.

you just used an awful lot of words to say "a picture is worth a thousand words" didn't you?

don't you lawyers get paid by the word?

Tim · « **Reply #24 on:** March 23, 2004, 04:08:28 PM »

Damon - you know what, I almost wrote exactly that. diarrhea of the mouth!

Chris - hold your thumb up and imagine your fingernail is the diaphragm, hold it straight up. Now turn your thumb on it's side. See?

there is some dispute as to whether the housing of the mic might affect the way the sound waves reach the diaphragm when the mic is on it's side. Robert Kwon has some info on this.

junkbondking · « **Reply #25 on:** March 23, 2004, 04:08:47 PM »

if you get a regular stereo bar, put the shockmounts on with the screew dealie at a 90 degree angle. then the mics sit vertically, but on a horizontal plane

like this:
x x
x-----x
x x

where the x's are the 2 bodies, and the -'s represent the stereo bar. to run din/ortf, just adjust your shockmount/mic spacing and degrees accordingly.

i think phil has some pics of me and tim from phil and phriends running ortf/din.

junkbondking · « **Reply #26 on:** March 23, 2004, 04:15:18 PM »

i think we need pictures of this

Kindguy · « **Reply #27 on:** March 23, 2004, 04:24:49 PM »

Quote from: junkbondking on March 23, 2004, 04:15:18 PM

i think we need pictures of this

Real estate is slow today

junkbondking · « **Reply #28 on:** March 23, 2004, 04:39:45 PM »

kindguy bites his nails too.

L Ron Hoover · « **Reply #29 on:** March 23, 2004, 04:51:14 PM »

Kindguy needs to trim his nails.

creekfreak · « **Reply #30 on:** March 23, 2004, 05:02:40 PM »

ahhhhh...I got it now, thanks guys, good thread today

BCostigan · « **Reply #31 on:** March 23, 2004, 06:23:25 PM »

The reason I came up with that mod for the vert bar is I didn't trust putting the mics sideways fearing they'd come loose and gravity would take over.

I guess people run them horizontally with no trouble?

creekfreak · « **Reply #32 on:** March 23, 2004, 07:35:58 PM »

I have seen people run them both ways, never heard of any one having issues with running them horizontally.

nickgregory · « **Reply #33 on:** March 23, 2004, 09:58:53 PM »

Quote from: BCostigan on March 23, 2004, 06:23:25 PM

The reason I came up with that mod for the vert bar is I didn't trust putting the mics sideways fearing they'd come loose and gravity would take over.

I guess people run them horizontally with no trouble?

fair enough, I was just wondering if maybe I didnt understand how sound addresses the LD mics...

save · « **Reply #34 on:** March 23, 2004, 09:59:54 PM »

i run my tl's in xy by just screwing the top shockmount into the top of my stand. then just put a clamp my other shockmoutn below it. no need to spend extra cash on getting another stereo bar if you already have a clamp.

creekfreak · « **Reply #35 on:** March 24, 2004, 09:26:16 AM »

good to know, I have a clamp I can use...cool

Tim · « **Reply #36 on:** March 24, 2004, 12:56:42 PM »

Quote from: nickgregory on March 23, 2004, 09:58:53 PM

Quote from: BCostigan on March 23, 2004, 06:23:25 PM
The reason I came up with that mod for the vert bar is I didn't trust putting the mics sideways fearing they'd come loose and gravity would take over.

I guess people run them horizontally with no trouble?

fair enough, I was just wondering if maybe I didnt understand how sound addresses the LD mics...

Robert Kwon sent me some emails about the effect that the housing of a LD may have when the mic is run horizontally... I'll see if I can find them. Basically they couldn't confirm anything but they had an idea on how to test for any effects.

Tim · « **Reply #37 on:** March 24, 2004, 12:59:06 PM »

Quote from: Justin O on March 23, 2004, 09:59:54 PM

i run my tl's in xy by just screwing the top shockmount into the top of my stand. then just put a clamp my other shockmoutn below it. no need to spend extra cash on getting another stereo bar if you already have a clamp.

bingo.

check this thread, there's one picture on page 1 and two really nice shots on page 2.

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?board=20;action=display;threadid=11892

nic · « **Reply #38 on:** March 24, 2004, 12:59:15 PM »

"Robert Kwon sent me some emails about the effect that the housing of a LD may have when the mic is run horizontally... I'll see if I can find them. Basically they couldn't confirm anything but they had an idea on how to test for any effects."

yeah, I think it's similar to the issue of using the trim knobs on the V2....the POTENTIAL is there to introduce noise, but it may not(I know, not the best analogy)

timP · « **Reply #39 on:** March 24, 2004, 11:26:30 PM »

how's this as a sort of guide to see if they are ined up right for XY configuration?

I cut a piece of cardboard in a small right angle V to hold above the mics and then see if the lines across the tops of the grill are even?

BobW · « **Reply #40 on:** March 24, 2004, 11:33:48 PM »

Quote from: nickgregory on March 23, 2004, 09:58:53 PM

[fair enough, I was just wondering if maybe I didnt understand how sound addresses the LD mics...

Sorry for this, but I really, really have to........

Art Carney: "Hello dere LD mics!"

Tim · « **Reply #41 on:** March 25, 2004, 12:36:37 AM »

Quote from: TPoff on March 24, 2004, 11:26:30 PM

how's this as a sort of guide to see if they are ined up right for XY configuration?
I cut a piece of cardboard in a small right angle V to hold above the mics and then see if the lines across the tops of the grill are even?

sounds like it should work!

timP · « **Reply #42 on:** March 25, 2004, 10:07:54 AM »

do I hear something bubblin?

Author Topic: ADK TL's (Read 9532 times)

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