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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #90 on: October 24, 2008, 06:31:56 PM »
It's like every show at midnight my gear craps out and I go back to being a little house tramp.  Maybe I should only tape bands where I know the show will end prior to midnight.  Barbershop quartets and one man bands for me from now on.  And maybe the sounds of nature.

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Sersiously my new rig is coming any day now and I'll be master of my domain again...seriously, just you wait.  Any day down......any freakin' day...






Just for the record you have always been the little house tramp. Just sayin'.


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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #91 on: October 24, 2008, 09:30:01 PM »
Just for the record you have always been the little house tramp. Just sayin'.

That's a solid argument.  I'd have to agree. ;D

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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #92 on: October 24, 2008, 09:50:15 PM »


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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #93 on: October 27, 2008, 01:07:31 AM »
JT, posts samples please!  Oh, and how much are these selling for?


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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #94 on: October 27, 2008, 08:52:50 AM »
JT, posts samples please!  Oh, and how much are these selling for?


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$3k I believe
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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #95 on: October 27, 2008, 01:02:41 PM »
JT, posts samples please!  Oh, and how much are these selling for?


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$3k I believe

Working on getting some samples up tonight and they sell for $2800.

EDIT: surround zone is awesome! I don't think I can ever go back to a stereo pair ever again. I've made one recording so far of a local pop/rock/indie kinda band in a horrid sounding club, onstage and was messing with the options for over an hour today trying to settle on something. It's like I have too many options when I was so used on settling with what my 2 mics gave me in whatever config I chose. I think I still want a 250 so I can do this with LD capsules...

F0CKER, is there anything special I should know about SZ that is not mentioned in the manual?
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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #96 on: October 27, 2008, 02:49:26 PM »
JT, posts samples please!  Oh, and how much are these selling for?


 :hmmm:

$3k I believe

Working on getting some samples up tonight and they sell for $2800.

EDIT: surround zone is bad ass! I don't think I can ever go back to a stereo pair ever again. I've made one recording so far of a local pop/rock/indie kinda band in a shit sounding club, onstage and was messing with the options for over an hour today trying to settle on something. It's like I have too many options when I was so used on settling with what my 2 mics gave me in whatever config I chose. I think I still want a 250 so I can do this with LD capsules...

F0CKER, is there anything special I should know about SZ that is not mentioned in the manual?

Can you snap a picture on the mic pointing towards a sound source or stereo ??? I am still VERY CONFUSED on how its setup. I have a def idea but just wondering. Do you use it like a side vertical capsule, or does it point at the sound source like a normal capsule ala AKG 480/MBHO/Schoeps/Neumann does ??? Doesnt the 2 'front' capsules point left/right towards the sound source at a 90* angle, while the surround ones point upwards and downwards in the rear at a 90* angle ???
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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #97 on: October 27, 2008, 03:44:48 PM »
F0CKER, is there anything special I should know about SZ that is not mentioned in the manual?


hmmm...not really sure.  I don't touch the gain at the master level, I boost it on the channel level instead.  Just play around with it, that's the best way to learn it, not too complex.  What I do like to do in Nuendo is load all the individual audio files into Nuendo in sequence then process them in szone together (walk away and do something else, it'll take some time)  After you have your two channel wav file, select the whole range for export and you'll have one file of the whole show  Easier to track one file instead of multiple and joining broken wavs, etc...

Have fun messing with it but don't labor over it.  I usually go for about 20 minutes before I settle on a pattern that way any changes in the sound have been realized.
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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #98 on: October 27, 2008, 03:46:25 PM »
Look at the first pic in this thread and that is one way to set it up...with the logo facing the stage. The software allows you to invert the signals or end-fire if you have it hanging upside down or aimed like a regular mic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambisonics
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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #99 on: October 27, 2008, 03:47:08 PM »
Can you snap a picture on the mic pointing towards a sound source or stereo ??? I am still VERY CONFUSED on how its setup. I have a def idea but just wondering. Do you use it like a side vertical capsule, or does it point at the sound source like a normal capsule ala AKG 480/MBHO/Schoeps/Neumann does ???

The correct answer Bean is......all the above.  You can run it side addressed, you can run it end fire, you can run it inverted if you want.  It's still the same concept you just have to tell the software which way you pointed it.  I always run mine side addressed with the logo facing the sound source.


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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #100 on: October 27, 2008, 08:57:24 PM »
Can you snap a picture on the mic pointing towards a sound source or stereo ??? I am still VERY CONFUSED on how its setup. I have a def idea but just wondering. Do you use it like a side vertical capsule, or does it point at the sound source like a normal capsule ala AKG 480/MBHO/Schoeps/Neumann does ???

The correct answer Bean is......all the above.  You can run it side addressed, you can run it end fire, you can run it inverted if you want.  It's still the same concept you just have to tell the software which way you pointed it.  I always run mine side addressed with the logo facing the sound source.




that is CRAZY ;D I am just wondering, I mean, wouldnt you WANT your capsules pointing TOWARDS a sound source? You mean you can literally just point it upwards towards teh ceiling using it like a side address and point teh caps in no particular direction or goal towards the sound source, and it will eventually decode itself back to normal ??? I guess with a 'surround' mic, it doesnt matter, but id STILL THINK that youd want at least the 'front' 2 caps pointiong towards the sound source, and the 'rear' 2 caps shouldnt matter because theyre simply just filling in a surround sound, right? I dunno, I guess the concept just amazes me on some levels thats all :) GREAT BUY! And at only 2800 i personally think thats a GREAT DEAL, espec w/ 4 capsules ;D They are MBHO DEAD KNOCKOFFS THO ;D 8)
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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #101 on: October 27, 2008, 08:59:17 PM »
and ive been recording for over 10+ years w/ a nice rig and Ive NEVER HEARD 'End-Fire' ??? Does that just mean it would be pointing like a 'regular capsule' would be and pointing DIRECTLY TOWARDS THE SOUND SOURCE from the 0* of the capsule axis ???
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Re: SoundField SPS200 - Slight Hijack
« Reply #102 on: October 27, 2008, 09:49:04 PM »
Has anyone on the board worked with the Core Sound TetraMic?  Or, better yet, run it against any SF gear?  I can get the TetraMic and be up and running for half of the SF SPS200.  Same deal: four mics, special cable and software to decode it.  Whazzzzup?
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Re: SoundField SPS200
« Reply #103 on: October 27, 2008, 09:49:35 PM »
Bean -- side address is like AKG 414.  "End-fire" is like AKG 480s.  Inverted would be like an upside-down AKG 414.  (At least in terms of physical orientation of the microphone in space.)

Based on my limited knowledge, the beauty of soundfield mics - and the reason one may use any of those three orientations (side-address, end-address, inverted) - is that they capture the entire sound field at a given point in space, i.e. 360° of sound in all three dimensions:  vertical (up/down), lateral (side/side), depth (front/back).  The reason this is possible:  each capsule on a soundfield mic overlaps with the other capsules, ensuring total coverage in all directions (more on this in a moment).  In post-processing, the user then may decide "how much" sound from each direction/dimension to use in the final mix.  Kinda similar to M/S recording, where the user may control the width of the stereo image by deciding how much Side to mix in with the Mid signal.  With a soundfield mic, the user doesn't just decide how much Side to mix in.  The user decides how much sound to mix in from each dimension:  vertical (up/down), lateral (side/side), depth (front/back).  In other words, the user may decide to "throw away" some (or all of) sound captured on the recording.  For example, in a cruddy venue one may wish to throw away ALL the sound from the rear of the mic.  (Think of how cardioids don't capture sound from behind them.  Only in a soundfield mic's case, the sound is captured, but simply not used in the final mix.)

Another way to think of it:  the mic captures an entire sphere of sound around the mic.  Think of a single omnidirectional microphone that captures sound from all directions (for the sake of discussion, ignore that these nondirectional characteristics change to more directional characteristics at higher frequencies).  With an omni mic, it's very simple (for the sake of discussion) - a single channel that includes sound from all directions.  What you hear on that one channel is what you get - that's it.  But with a soundfield mic, think of that entire sphere of music sliced into multiple, different 3-dimensional "wedges".  The user may select which of those "wedges" to use, the extent to which one uses each, and which to discard outright.

The above is way overly simplistic, and not necessarily technically accurate in terms of how a soundfield mic works - it's just an attempt to help visualize the concept.

And Perhaps a graphic will help.  Here's an image of a soundfield mic's pickup pattern.  It includes 3 overlapping figure-8 patterns plus an omnidirectional pattern.  If you can visualize how M/S may be decoded to control the stereo width, perhaps you can visualize how a soundfield mic allows the user to control not only the width (the figure-8 pattern oriented on the Y axis), but also the height (Z axis) and depth (X axis).  (The omni mic is "W", which I've left out of the discussion for the time being.)

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Re: SoundField SPS200 - Slight Hijack
« Reply #104 on: October 27, 2008, 09:58:43 PM »
Has anyone on the board worked with the Core Sound TetraMic?  Or, better yet, run it against any SF gear?  I can get the TetraMic and be up and running for half of the SF SPS200.  Same deal: four mics, special cable and software to decode it.  Whazzzzup?

Not against per se, but here are some samples of the Soundfield 350 I've made for comps sake...

Dead Confederate - FOB/DFC in the sweet spot
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=519169

Lucero - On stage Blumlein & Card Mix
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=517817

Raq - FOB
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=516425


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