Become a Site Supporter and Never see Ads again!

Author Topic: Which high-end cardioids?  (Read 31743 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Scooter123

  • "I am not an alcoholic. I am a drunk. Drunks don't go to meetings."
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 3774
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #60 on: May 18, 2012, 01:34:16 AM »
I spent a solid 6 months picking out mikes, downloading a couple hundred shows and then figuring out which ones sounded best to my ears.  The two leaders were Neuman KM Series and MK4s.  MK4s got the nod because of their small size and their warm sound.  Reasonable people could disagree which mike sounds better.  I'd let you ears make the decision for you. 
Regards,
Scooter123

mk41 > N Box  > Sony M-10
mk4 > N Box > Sony M-10

Offline aaronji

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *
  • Posts: 3861
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #61 on: May 18, 2012, 10:40:05 AM »
After careful consideration, I now have a factory-matched pair of CCM 41V mics on order.

Out of curiosity, why the side addressed instead of the end addressed model?   

Offline Myco

  • Trade Count: (11)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 7572
  • Gender: Male
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #62 on: May 18, 2012, 10:42:08 AM »
After careful consideration, I now have a factory-matched pair of CCM 41V mics on order.

Out of curiosity, why the side addressed instead of the end addressed model?

Not a back door man?  ;D
Microtech Gefell M200: M20/M21/M27 caps> Bumblebee MiAGi-II/Darktrain silver cable's/"Chuck" Belden cables> Aerco MP-2 or Busman modded DR-680 pre-amps> Darktrain cables & interconnects> Tascam DR-680 (Busman mod)
AT853's(card's/hyper's)>AT8533x>Aerco MP-2>Sony M10

Offline ianmacd

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Taperssection Regular
  • **
  • Posts: 134
  • Gender: Male
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #63 on: May 18, 2012, 10:50:05 AM »
After careful consideration, I now have a factory-matched pair of CCM 41V mics on order.

Out of curiosity, why the side addressed instead of the end addressed model?

I believe that they'll be easier to stealth with inside headwear, in that I'll be able to place the mics on their side alone the front of a hat. That's the thinking, anyway.

Just to be clear, side-addressing here refers to the pick-up area being along the side, as opposed to horizontally along the tip. It doesn't refer to the cable entry, which is at the base on both the normal and V models.

If it turns out to be a very expensive mistake, I'll let you know.  :-\
Factory-matched Schoeps CCM 41V microphones -> Marantz PMD661 recorder with Oade Concert Mod
Factory-matched DPA 4060 microphones -> DPA MMA6000 amplifier -> Edirol R-09HR

Offline Fried Chicken Boy

  • Trade Count: (8)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 3023
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2012, 02:05:29 PM »
As acidjack previously mentioned in this thread, you might want to PM hi and lo regarding stealthing with side addressed Schoeps.  He had a rather ingenious setup when he ran 4V's.

Congrats on pulling the trigger on your new rig, Ian.  Not really a Schoeps guy myself, but the 41's are great sounding mics.

Offline aaronji

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *
  • Posts: 3861
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2012, 05:08:08 PM »
After careful consideration, I now have a factory-matched pair of CCM 41V mics on order.

Out of curiosity, why the side addressed instead of the end addressed model?

Not a back door man?  ;D

All depends on the back door in question! :D

I believe that they'll be easier to stealth with inside headwear, in that I'll be able to place the mics on their side alone the front of a hat. That's the thinking, anyway.

If it turns out to be a very expensive mistake, I'll let you know.  :-\

Gotcha.  I was thinking that getting the right orientation and angle would be more difficult with the Vs, but maybe not...Curious to hear how it works out!

At any rate, even if you decide you'd prefer the 41s, you probably won't get soaked too badly selling the Vs!

Offline phanophish

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 2128
  • Gender: Male
    • ImageLume Photography
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #66 on: May 21, 2012, 11:40:55 AM »
Does someone make a capsule attachment cable that allows you to essentially run MBHO caps active with a tinybox?  If so link please?

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=143987.msg1956056#msg1956056

You can buy the capsule attachments direct from Dale Pro Audio.  Contact Dan Ross...He priced it out for me....they are like 195$ a piece plus 10$ shipping....They are special order. Then Naint builds you the box....add cables whola... If you already have caps...your probably in it for less than 800$...

...and if you already have MBHO 603A's and caps, all you need to do is order the Tinybox and the breakout cable from Jon.
If you're in Europe you can also buy the capsule attachments directly from MBHO at 130 euros each (plus tax).

So do I need to have the 603A (Active) or will the normal 603 (Non Active) mics work?  I have the standard 603 bodies and Hyper, card, & omni caps.  I know the Caps are the same between the mic bodies (a friend here in KC has the actives), I'm just wondering if ordering what is essentially just the little capsule mounts will result in the parts & pieces that Jon needs to build the rest of the chain, or is there some piece that would be missing that prevents me from running my existing caps as active with a tinybox?

I'd like to get to this setup...

MBHO KA200n Card Caps(Already own)>MBHO Active Cap Mounts (Sourced from Dale Pro)>Custom Active Cable (Made by Niant?)>Tinybox

I assume this is what I am ordering from Dale Pro...


« Last Edit: May 21, 2012, 11:43:40 AM by phanophish »
______________________________________________
Audio: MBHO 603/KA200N or AKG C2000B>Edirol R44
http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/phanophish

Photo:  Nikon D300, D200, 35mm f/1.8,  50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.8, Nikon 17-55 f/2.8, Sigma 18-50/2.8 Macro, 18-70 f/4.5-5.6, 24-120 f/3.5-5.6 VR, Sigma 10-20 f4-5.6, Nikon 70-200 f/2.8VR, SB-800

Jake: What's this?
Elwood: What?
Jake: This car. This stupid car. Where's the Cadillac? The Caddy? Where's the Caddy?
Elwood: The what?
Jake: The Cadillac we used to have. The Blues Mobile!
Elwood: I traded it.
Jake: You traded the Blues Mobile for this?
Elwood: No. For a microphone.
Jake: A microphone? Okay I can see that.

Offline Teen Age Riot

  • Trade Count: (5)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 895
  • Gender: Male
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #67 on: May 21, 2012, 12:34:10 PM »
I assume this is what I am ordering from Dale Pro...


Yup.

The cable in the picture is just plain 4pin mini-XLR (nothing active about it).
So in addition to the capsule attachments, you need the 6pin to dual 4pin mini-XLR adaptor cable from Jon. (You can select it in the dropdown menu on his website.)
Mine is 1.5m long and that's what I use for >:D. When I tape openly I simply use the mini-XLRs I already had as extensions.

Offline phanophish

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 2128
  • Gender: Male
    • ImageLume Photography
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2012, 04:13:51 PM »

Yup.

The cable in the picture is just plain 4pin mini-XLR (nothing active about it).
So in addition to the capsule attachments, you need the 6pin to dual 4pin mini-XLR adaptor cable from Jon. (You can select it in the dropdown menu on his website.)
Mine is 1.5m long and that's what I use for >:D. When I tape openly I simply use the mini-XLRs I already had as extensions.

Sweet, thanks for the info.  I ordered the cap attachments from Dale Pro today.  They are great to deal with, but there is a 3-4 week lead on the parts to be shipped from MBHO to the US.  With the lead times on the new Tinybox 2.2 I should still have them before I get the pre.  Bummer for me is it all will miss the Phish Alpine/Deer Creek run by at least a few weeks.
______________________________________________
Audio: MBHO 603/KA200N or AKG C2000B>Edirol R44
http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/phanophish

Photo:  Nikon D300, D200, 35mm f/1.8,  50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.8, Nikon 17-55 f/2.8, Sigma 18-50/2.8 Macro, 18-70 f/4.5-5.6, 24-120 f/3.5-5.6 VR, Sigma 10-20 f4-5.6, Nikon 70-200 f/2.8VR, SB-800

Jake: What's this?
Elwood: What?
Jake: This car. This stupid car. Where's the Cadillac? The Caddy? Where's the Caddy?
Elwood: The what?
Jake: The Cadillac we used to have. The Blues Mobile!
Elwood: I traded it.
Jake: You traded the Blues Mobile for this?
Elwood: No. For a microphone.
Jake: A microphone? Okay I can see that.

Offline F.O.Bean

  • Team Schoeps Tapir that
  • Trade Count: (126)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 40690
  • Gender: Male
  • Taperus Maximus
    • MediaFire Recordings
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2012, 07:52:39 PM »
Congrats bro. Those ccm41v mics are DA BOMB ;D

I would suggest a TinyBox>Sony PCM M10 route over the DR2D
Schoeps MK 4V & MK 41V ->
Schoeps 250|0 KCY's (x2) ->
Naiant +60v|Low Noise PFA's (x2) ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's (x3) ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3

http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/diskobean
http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/Bean420
http://bt.etree.org/mytorrents.php
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/j9eu80jpuaubz/Recordings

Offline ianmacd

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Taperssection Regular
  • **
  • Posts: 134
  • Gender: Male
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2012, 11:21:20 AM »
Congrats bro. Those ccm41v mics are DA BOMB ;D

I would suggest a TinyBox>Sony PCM M10 route over the DR2D

Thanks.

I've got a Tinybox ordered from John, so that I can feed into my R-09HR as an option.

I also want to be able to go straight to XLR inputs, however, when the situation allows. That's why I was considering the DR 100 MK II. However, negative reports about that unit have since caused me to get cold feet.

I'm now considering a PMD-661 with the Oade concert mod or possibly the newer Roland R-26, which looks like a terrific little unit for the money:

http://www.rolandsystemsgroup.com/products/100093
Factory-matched Schoeps CCM 41V microphones -> Marantz PMD661 recorder with Oade Concert Mod
Factory-matched DPA 4060 microphones -> DPA MMA6000 amplifier -> Edirol R-09HR

Offline Fried Chicken Boy

  • Trade Count: (8)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 3023
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2012, 07:29:10 PM »
Being a long-time user and supporter of Edirol/Roland decks, I have no reason to believe the R-26 is anything but solid.  The spot where they dropped the ball with it, IMHO, was not including a digital input on it.  Could've been a serious game changer.

The PMD-661 is no slouch, either.  Great sounding, easy-to-use recorder that's even better with the Oade mod.  Doesn't hurt that it has the SPDIF input, too.

Offline John Willett

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Taperssection All-Star
  • ****
  • Posts: 1550
  • Gender: Male
  • Bio:
    • Sound-Link ProAudio
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #72 on: May 24, 2012, 03:00:30 PM »
Being a long-time user and supporter of Edirol/Roland decks, I have no reason to believe the R-26 is anything but solid.  The spot where they dropped the ball with it, IMHO, was not including a digital input on it.  Could've been a serious game changer.

I have mentioned this to them.

But a digital input costs money as you have to pay a licence fee to Sony & Philips for S-PDIF.

Offline Fried Chicken Boy

  • Trade Count: (8)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 3023
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2012, 04:06:58 PM »
I hear you, John, and no doubt there were concessions made as well as agonizing decisions during development.  But it can be little things like that which make the difference between very good decks and amazing ones.

Offline F.O.Bean

  • Team Schoeps Tapir that
  • Trade Count: (126)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 40690
  • Gender: Male
  • Taperus Maximus
    • MediaFire Recordings
Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #74 on: May 31, 2012, 08:51:01 PM »
I would run ccm41v>702/722 ;D

But for real, a CCM41V>TinyBox>24-Bit Recorder setup is all that's needed
Schoeps MK 4V & MK 41V ->
Schoeps 250|0 KCY's (x2) ->
Naiant +60v|Low Noise PFA's (x2) ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's (x3) ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3

http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/diskobean
http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/Bean420
http://bt.etree.org/mytorrents.php
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/j9eu80jpuaubz/Recordings

 

RSS | Mobile
Page created in 0.122 seconds with 43 queries.
© 2002-2024 Taperssection.com
Powered by SMF