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Offline acidjack

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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2012, 12:00:20 PM »
The Tinybox is a fantastic piece of equipment, I've been very happy with mine. It replaced an Nbox, which is also amazing, but the Tinybox is a joy to use with its long battery times and smaller size - couldn't believe just how small it was when it arrived. Did about 5 hours of music this Saturday, MK4>Tinybox, and it was still going strong.

Bearing in mind that almost all of this technology is new to me, please forgive the following question:

When you say MK4 > Tinybox, you mean MK4 > KCY > Tinybox, right? If I've understood things correctly, there isn't a way to directly connect those caps to a pre-amp.

Secondly, can you please detail the exact options you ordered your Tinybox with? I want to make sure that what others buy matches my understanding of what I think I need.  ;)

The tinybox can also work with the custom cables made for the NBox.  So you can go MKx>Nbox Cables>tinybox.  That is what was referenced above.

Those of us who never owned NBoxes use KCYs instead.

I used the 5m KCY, yes.  And yes, the only tinybox output option as far as I am aware is 3.5mm Stereo mini.  Everything else would be too big.

Mics: Schoeps MK4V, MK41V, MK5, MK22> CMC6, KCY 250/5, KC5, NBob; MBHO MBP603/KA200N, AT 3031, DPA 4061 w/ d:vice, Naiant X-X, AT 853c, shotgun, Nak300
Pres/Power: Aerco MP2, tinybox v2  [KCY], CA-UBB
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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #46 on: April 23, 2012, 08:53:00 PM »
I'm also quite curious on the exact configuration of the tinybox v2 for those of you running MKx > KCY > tinybox rigs

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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2012, 03:49:25 AM »
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=155138.0

If you didn't want the pre, I am sure you wouldn't have a hard time unloading it...

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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2012, 12:53:46 PM »
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=155138.0

If you didn't want the pre, I am sure you wouldn't have a hard time unloading it...

[and the understatement of the year award goes to....]
Mics: Schoeps MK4V, MK41V, MK5, MK22> CMC6, KCY 250/5, KC5, NBob; MBHO MBP603/KA200N, AT 3031, DPA 4061 w/ d:vice, Naiant X-X, AT 853c, shotgun, Nak300
Pres/Power: Aerco MP2, tinybox v2  [KCY], CA-UBB
Decks: Sound Devices MixPre 6, Zoom F8, M10, D50

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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2012, 02:31:20 PM »
MBHO caps would be another, less expensive possibility:

KA 200N (cardioid) or KA 500HN (hyper-cardioid) caps: ~500 euros
capsule attachments: ~300 euros
Naiant Tinybox (incl. cable, shipping and customs): ~280 euros

Does someone make a capsule attachment cable that allows you to essentially run MBHO caps active with a tinybox?  If so link please?

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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2012, 06:26:22 PM »
Does someone make a capsule attachment cable that allows you to essentially run MBHO caps active with a tinybox?  If so link please?

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=143987.msg1956056#msg1956056

You can buy the capsule attachments direct from Dale Pro Audio.  Contact Dan Ross...He priced it out for me....they are like 195$ a piece plus 10$ shipping....They are special order. Then Naint builds you the box....add cables whola... If you already have caps...your probably in it for less than 800$...

If I didn't make a recent unexpected purchase I would be on these like a moth to a flame...

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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2012, 08:11:00 AM »
Does someone make a capsule attachment cable that allows you to essentially run MBHO caps active with a tinybox?  If so link please?

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=143987.msg1956056#msg1956056

You can buy the capsule attachments direct from Dale Pro Audio.  Contact Dan Ross...He priced it out for me....they are like 195$ a piece plus 10$ shipping....They are special order. Then Naint builds you the box....add cables whola... If you already have caps...your probably in it for less than 800$...

...and if you already have MBHO 603A's and caps, all you need to do is order the Tinybox and the breakout cable from Jon.
If you're in Europe you can also buy the capsule attachments directly from MBHO at 130 euros each (plus tax).

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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2012, 10:16:49 AM »
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=155138.0

If you didn't want the pre, I am sure you wouldn't have a hard time unloading it...

[and the understatement of the year award goes to....]

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I have to admit, I was chuckling a bit to myself when I posted that...Really, the only reason I posted it in this thread was that I thought ianmacd, based in Europe, might actually have a chance to jump on it...

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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2012, 10:29:59 AM »
How Schoeps got to be called "dark" is a mystery to me--except that so many low-price condenser microphones have outright high-frequency peaks and distortion that some people might have gotten confused into thinking was normal. If you take that as your starting point, then more neutral microphones might feel at first as if they're lacking something.

I think I mostly hear that from folks who record PA's.  I don't tend to hear it from people who directly record performers, whether classical, jazz, choral, whatever.

Another consideration is the playback system.  And also, hearing degradation.  If someone cannot hear the well-balanced and graceful nature of the mk4, they have obviously damaged their ears due to their obsession with death metal :P

Higher frequencies diminish with distance, and are also more prone to be lost in background noise.  I think that the additional high frequency response of the mk4v and the Gefell m20 can help with those frequencies in certain circumstances.

Traditional "stacks" or speakers are brighter as you get closer to the front.  And what you hear is very different at sound check, when the venue is empty.  Further back, I might prefer the brighter response of the mk4v.  But up close, I find the sound is typically brighter and the flatter response of the mk4 or mk21 is a better choice.

Dark is simply the opposite of bright, just as cold is the opposite of warm.  Cold and dark tend to have negative connotations, though they should not in this context.  Studies have shown fairly clearly that when you meet someone, if you are holding a cold drink in your hand, they describe you differently than if you are holding a hot drink; to the point of describing your personality as warmer or colder.  So most of us have some curious psychological biases here.

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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #54 on: May 04, 2012, 07:26:36 AM »
Duties are indeed a bitch, but you could probably avoid the brunt of it by buying the caps over here.

Aaron,

Can I ask where you purchase your gear in the Netherlands? There are few options for Schoeps stuff, so we probably use the same place. PM me if you prefer.
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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2012, 04:11:34 PM »
^^^ I don't have experience with buying Schoeps over here (only DPA).  But I PM'ed you with what (little) I know...

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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2012, 09:35:51 AM »
Given that I started this thread, it's only courteous to come back and inform everyone who has given me advice that I do now finally have some equipment on order. Without the advice I received here, it would have taken much longer to reach a decision and, with so many details to consider, I'm confident that any decision I might have made on my own would not have been so well informed.

In the end, I decided that top quality, low profile, simplicity and maximum reliability were the most important things to me. This ultimately led me to reject the Schoeps MK capsules->active cables->pre-amp solutions in favour of the more expensive and less flexible CCM mics with built-in amplifier. After careful consideration, I now have a factory-matched pair of CCM 41V mics on order.

I'll be ordering a Tascam DR-100 MK II in the next week or so to be my new recorder for these mics, but I also want to be able to use them with my old R-09HR if that necessity presents itself, so to that end, I've also ordered a P12 Tinybox from Naiant. I've written many times here that I didn't want to have to purchase and rely on custom-made boutique equipment that I'd have to import from the US, but because it's only an optional item here, merely enabling the use of a back-up equipment chain, I can justify a Tinybox to myself on those terms.

I've yet to figure out exactly how Ill stealth with them, but I'll work something out.

All being well, the first results with this new rig should start showing up some time in June.

Thank you to everyone who helped me along the way. A special mention must go to Acidjack for coaching me through the whole decision making process and really caring that I made the right choice.
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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2012, 10:09:48 AM »
New gear is exciting!

Congratulations on your choice, Ian.  I think it is a wise one.  Looking forward to hearing the results.
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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2012, 12:12:13 PM »
Just make sure you're happy with the Tascam DR100mkii - have you read the thread? - it seems the record times are not good on phantom power

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Re: Which high-end cardioids?
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2012, 12:38:27 PM »
Just make sure you're happy with the Tascam DR100mkii - have you read the thread? - it seems the record times are not good on phantom power

FWIW, I am currently in the process of replacing my DR100mkII with a Tinybox>DR-2d setup for stealth situations. While I was able to successfully work around the DR100mkII's battery problems, it's size ended up being a bit of a hassle to stealth. Don't get me wrong. It's doable and I've stealthed bigger gear in the past, but why would I bother if I can accomplish the same task with less hassle?

My advice would be to try out the tinybox with whatever recorder you currently own before potentially wasting money on the big Tascam.

 

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