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Oktava MC-012 MODs
« on: September 10, 2003, 10:03:24 AM »
I couldnt find the thread, so I made a new one!!!

There is a DIY  how-to in this months recording magazine about modding the Oktava MC-012s.

It is a VERY interesting read!!!!!

It says that these mods Drastically improve the top and bottom end of these mics with a few simple part swaps ;D ;D ;D

I havent tried this...YMMV

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2003, 10:14:24 AM »
Is there a link or is it just in the magazine?  What are the highlights?
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2003, 10:22:01 AM »
I only saw it in the magazine...and i am not the most electrically technical person around...

something about a FET and a transducer  yadda yadda yadda

there were like 5 items to be inspected and or replaced in the article, with pictures and part numbers and manufacturers.

the article also explained some of the oktava production process and why these parts were inferior or just plain bad!!!
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2003, 11:07:41 AM »
What magazine is this in?
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2003, 11:26:09 AM »
Recording Magazine - they mention the article here, but for obvious reasons it's not on their web site yet.

http://www.recordingmag.com/current_issue.html

Be interesting to see it - I wonder if my Elations use the same parts?
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2003, 11:04:52 AM »
I looked for the Sept. edition of Recording and it wasn't out yet. :(
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2003, 12:45:00 PM »
do you know if this is for ALL oktava mc012's or just the unmatched ones from gc?  i mean...does the matching have anything to do with these enhancements or would i still benefit from them?
i'd really like to clean up the low end of mine and boost the high frequencies a bit i think.  but i don't want to ruin the factory matched set i paid a pretty penny for from the sound room.  pretty penny meaning that i paid full price for these with all 3 matched caps, didn't get a cheap setup from gc or buy used.
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2003, 01:16:42 PM »
The sound room mics are prolly not gonna need all the mods/upgrades.

 I got that the matched pairs and such from higher end dealers ie. sound room, will not need all of the parts suggested in the article, but you can still replace some of the electronics for drastic improvements.

the article said that somewhere in the production process, if the oktava techs didnt have the correct parts for the microphone on hand they would use whatever they had instead. It also said the mics that go to the sound room do not have these particluar problems ie:substituted parts,  but even these do have inferior parts in them and would benefit from the mods ;D

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2003, 04:17:27 PM »
I'm handy with a soldering iron and intend to get some cheap bodies on eBay to try this modification. That way I can still use my unmodded matched bodies as a comparison pair. I still can't locate a copy of the magazine yet though. :(
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2003, 05:05:44 PM »
Since I know dick about soldering or any of that stuff, would anyone be willing to do the mods for a modest fee?  If so I may have to pick up a pair of the el-cheapo ones at Guitar Center... :)
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2003, 05:16:39 PM »
Since I know dick about soldering or any of that stuff, would anyone be willing to do the mods for a modest fee?  If so I may have to pick up a pair of the el-cheapo ones at Guitar Center... :)

I think we need to test this mod and make recordings for comparisons. I personally will try it on some "cheap" eBay or Guitar Center bodies first.

If indeed it is a great mod, and the procedure isn't too difficult, I would be willing to help you mod your mics.
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2003, 05:41:32 PM »
Hell yeah Chuck...thats the best idea I['ve heard all day

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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2003, 06:37:12 PM »
right on chuck...i'm very interested in seeing how this turns out.  we should meet up sometime in denver for a show and do some comps perhaps.
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2003, 06:53:03 PM »
right on chuck...i'm very interested in seeing how this turns out.  we should meet up sometime in denver for a show and do some comps perhaps.

Sounds good. I'm in Woodland Park, just West of Colorado Springs.
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2003, 07:25:05 PM »
Well I just couldn't pass up on the deal, I picked up a pair tonight.  I'll do some tests tonight and see if they're any close to being similar...  
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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2003, 12:06:24 AM »
would it be possible to mod the octavas for use with active cables? I dont know too much about active cable setups so I dont know if its possible, but if it could be done I bet it would be pretty popular

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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2003, 10:11:32 AM »
would it be possible to mod the octavas for use with active cables? I dont know too much about active cable setups so I dont know if its possible, but if it could be done I bet it would be pretty popular

I 100% agree with ya on the actives. I think Taylor might have been considering this awhile back, but I am not if he still is ...
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2003, 11:06:50 AM »
I've got a copy of this magazine if its needed. Let me know if anyone needs copies.
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2003, 11:17:05 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2003, 01:15:05 PM »
When I picked up my pair from Guitar Center they had a copy of the magazine.  I took a look at it and was thoroughly confused. :)
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2003, 07:47:07 PM »
I did a similar mod on mine, and it greatly helped on the low end, the reason that the Oktavas get such bad press (of course, there's still people in the taping communities out there that bad-mouth work with the MC012's -- I used to get it all the time).  I made some tapes that I consider extremely impressive for the price...  I moved over to Earthworks SR77's, and while the price difference is noticeable (I really like the 77's overall sound), the money for the MC012's -mod or not - is still a great deal for beginners.

I went from AT853's to the MC012's and kept them for over 3 years...

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2003, 07:52:40 PM »
would it be possible to mod the octavas for use with active cables? I dont know too much about active cable setups so I dont know if its possible, but if it could be done I bet it would be pretty popular

I 100% agree with ya on the actives. I think Taylor might have been considering this awhile back, but I am not if he still is ...

There was talk for a while of a "gooseneck extension", but I didn't hear anything about actual active cables.

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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2003, 10:16:42 AM »
I got Recording Magazine yesterday.
The mod doesn't look too difficult.
I have to price out the parts at DigiKey, buy a pair of MC012's at Guitar Center and do the mod. If all goes well, I'll report my findings.
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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2003, 11:29:08 AM »
I am thinking about doing this mod to my gc oktavas

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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2003, 12:54:43 PM »
Has anyone scanned this article?

If so, I would be supper appretiative of a copy.

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« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2003, 01:02:39 PM »
I am thinking about doing this mod to my gc oktavas

Yeah...
I've got the matched set with all the capsules. I plan to experiment on the GC pair, incase there are problems I'll still have the good pair. In the future there may be sources like: Mod Oktava MC012> w-mod UA-5> etc...
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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2003, 04:39:47 PM »
Is GC still selling these mics or was that a week special kind of thing?

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« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2003, 04:51:56 PM »
Is GC still selling these mics or was that a week special kind of thing?

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All month according to the sales dude I called.
He even said they would back-order if they ran out before I got there.
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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2003, 01:28:45 PM »
Has anyone scanned this article?

If so, I would be supper appretiative of a copy.

Thanks!

if they're big image files i can host them.
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2003, 11:21:10 AM »
I read the article a couple times, and my feeling was that if you were willing to basically trash an oktava mic, you can do it yourself assuming you are OK with the risk involved.  It seems like a pretty easy modification if your are handy with a soldering iron and not afraid of f'in them up if you make a mistake.   The article is a pretty good read.  I was thinking I might get a pair just to try to modify them.  It sounds like a good money making opportunity as well if you had the time and courage to modify a bunch of them and resell them.  Who wants to pick me up a pair of these mics so I can get some omni's and modify them.  We don't have guitar center in Iowa I don't think!

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2003, 09:37:26 PM »
My attempt at getting the 2-for-$100 deal at Guitar Center was a failure today.  :(
They are all out of the MC012's and I'm on a wait-list for a shipment of a dozen that comes in this week. So, I'm not too hopeful. I have seen them go on eBay for as low as $60 ea. I really don't want to spend much more than that just to experiment on them. Of course, once someone does this mod and has the recordings to compare with the un-modded microphones, we will never know whether is is worth doing.

I did a quick price check on the parts listed in the article. The parts listed that are available at DigiKey total $11.28 per microphone. One of the parts that is not available at DigiKey is $3.05 at R&J Electronics. This is based on replacing every part they suggest in the article. These prices do not include tax, shipping or handling.
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2003, 12:42:15 PM »
 I've scanned the article and put it into a PDF file, so if anyone can host it let me know where to send it. It's 3.5mb but easy to read and in full color.


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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2003, 02:18:04 PM »
I can host it.  ftp it here:
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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2003, 03:33:35 PM »
John -

 Just  finished uploading let me know if there's anything wrong with it.

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« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2003, 03:41:54 PM »
http://homepage.mac.com/jokell82/OktavaMC012Mods.pdf

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2003, 11:17:22 AM »
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2003, 02:49:20 PM »
I just ordered my GC pair today. :)
I'll order the parts for the mod as soon as the microphones come in.
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2003, 03:54:10 PM »
While this is not too difficult a mod to perform, some reasonable soldering
skills are necessary.  If you've never soldered before, this is not the
time to learn as it would not be too difficult to short something out.  I
also recommend a soldering iron that comes to a fine point.  The mod is for
people who think their oktava mics are too bassy/boomy.  Here's how much it
rolls off the bass in the amplifier --as measured by John Kjoll.  Note --
with no mod the bass is 1dB down at 20Hz anyways.

Post mod:
1dB down at 100 Hz
2dB down at 60 Hz
3dB down at 40 Hz
5dB down at 20 Hz

You will be replacing the gate resistor.  The stock one is 680 Megaohms and
I replaced it with 100 Megaohms.  If I could find a resistor between 50 and
100 megaohms I'd try that first (John suggested 50 to me which would cause
some effects up to 200 Hz, I'd try a 70 if I could find one) as I think it
could stand to be rolled off even more.  Good luck finding resistors (in
all honesty, you probably won't).  And if you do find some, I'd like to try
further rolling it off so email me.  I used a 1/4 watt old style.  I think
the new styles are smaller and that up to a 1 watt will work.  The main
thing is that it is no bigger than a cylinder of diameter .14" and height
.4".

1.  Remove the body by screwing in the 3 screws about 4-5 turns.  Chances are
many of the screw heads came broken off, just because thats the way it is.

2.  Pull off the body with a back and forth twisting motion.  Be careful since
it probably will be stubborn and then pull off all of a sudden.

3.  Stand the mic on the XLR end and consider the more crowded side of the
circuit board.  At the top left there is a resistor.  On the top right there is
an equivalent resistor.  Between them there are 2 capacitors, a ceramic one on
top and a metal one on bottom.  The 680 Megaohm gate resistor is the one on the
top left.  It is in a vertical orientation if the mic is standing on end (IE the
XLR side resting on a table).

4.  That top left resistor is the one you want to replace.  Please note that it
is connected to the other side by a white wire (at least mine was white but
these things have all different parts so YMMV).  I got rid of the wire and put
in the new resistor on the other side of the board since it was easier (or was
it:).  Take your new resistor and bend the leads at 90 degree angles and snip
to size.  Get solder all over both ends.  If you put it on the less crowded
side like I did, just be aware that you'll probably desolder the lead to the
capsule connection (it will go "fling" and spring loose) as you try to solder
it in.  In addition you will kind of need to push that (I believe capacitor
also, in one of my mics it was a hollow cylinder, and I can't remember on the
other since its not here but it will be obvious) thing to the left a little to
make more room if you do decide to put it on the less crowded side of the
circuit board.  Don't worry just be patient and resolder everything together.

5.  Make sure you get a good connection and not just a cold solder.  Replace
body and turn screws counterclockwise.  Make sure the resistor is not touching
the sides of the metal sleave (I don't think this actually matters but I like
to have everything isolated from everything).  Making sure of this is kinda a
pain, you may have to cut your resistor leads shorter and start over, etc.  
Actually now that I think about it this mod was kinda a pain in the ass, took
a while, and pissed me off.  (don't let that discourage you though).

I was running my mics with one modified and one stock for a few shows and
while I never kept track of which was which (for a while I had misplaced my
other 100Megaohm resistor so I couldn't even do both) I noticed that one
channel always had lower bass boom than the other.

The mod will not change the sound dramatically but enough.  Like I said before
I would try to find something less than 100 MOhm and roll it off a little more.

Please if you do this, let me know what you think,

Do at you're own risk and if you screw it up don't blame me


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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2003, 04:59:48 PM »
While this is not too difficult a mod to perform, some reasonable soldering
skills are necessary.  If you've never soldered before, this is not the
time to learn as it would not be too difficult to short something out.  I
also recommend a soldering iron that comes to a fine point.  The mod is for
people who think their oktava mics are too bassy/boomy.  Here's how much it
rolls off the bass in the amplifier --as measured by John Kjoll.  Note --
with no mod the bass is 1dB down at 20Hz anyways.

Post mod:
1dB down at 100 Hz
2dB down at 60 Hz
3dB down at 40 Hz
5dB down at 20 Hz

You will be replacing the gate resistor.  The stock one is 680 Megaohms and
I replaced it with 100 Megaohms.  If I could find a resistor between 50 and
100 megaohms I'd try that first (John suggested 50 to me which would cause
some effects up to 200 Hz, I'd try a 70 if I could find one) as I think it
could stand to be rolled off even more.  Good luck finding resistors (in
all honesty, you probably won't).  And if you do find some, I'd like to try
further rolling it off so email me.  I used a 1/4 watt old style.  I think
the new styles are smaller and that up to a 1 watt will work.  The main
thing is that it is no bigger than a cylinder of diameter .14" and height
.4".

1.  Remove the body by screwing in the 3 screws about 4-5 turns.  Chances are
many of the screw heads came broken off, just because thats the way it is.

2.  Pull off the body with a back and forth twisting motion.  Be careful since
it probably will be stubborn and then pull off all of a sudden.

3.  Stand the mic on the XLR end and consider the more crowded side of the
circuit board.  At the top left there is a resistor.  On the top right there is
an equivalent resistor.  Between them there are 2 capacitors, a ceramic one on
top and a metal one on bottom.  The 680 Megaohm gate resistor is the one on the
top left.  It is in a vertical orientation if the mic is standing on end (IE the
XLR side resting on a table).

4.  That top left resistor is the one you want to replace.  Please note that it
is connected to the other side by a white wire (at least mine was white but
these things have all different parts so YMMV).  I got rid of the wire and put
in the new resistor on the other side of the board since it was easier (or was
it:).  Take your new resistor and bend the leads at 90 degree angles and snip
to size.  Get solder all over both ends.  If you put it on the less crowded
side like I did, just be aware that you'll probably desolder the lead to the
capsule connection (it will go "fling" and spring loose) as you try to solder
it in.  In addition you will kind of need to push that (I believe capacitor
also, in one of my mics it was a hollow cylinder, and I can't remember on the
other since its not here but it will be obvious) thing to the left a little to
make more room if you do decide to put it on the less crowded side of the
circuit board.  Don't worry just be patient and resolder everything together.

5.  Make sure you get a good connection and not just a cold solder.  Replace
body and turn screws counterclockwise.  Make sure the resistor is not touching
the sides of the metal sleave (I don't think this actually matters but I like
to have everything isolated from everything).  Making sure of this is kinda a
pain, you may have to cut your resistor leads shorter and start over, etc.  
Actually now that I think about it this mod was kinda a pain in the ass, took
a while, and pissed me off.  (don't let that discourage you though).

I was running my mics with one modified and one stock for a few shows and
while I never kept track of which was which (for a while I had misplaced my
other 100Megaohm resistor so I couldn't even do both) I noticed that one
channel always had lower bass boom than the other.

The mod will not change the sound dramatically but enough.  Like I said before
I would try to find something less than 100 MOhm and roll it off a little more.

Please if you do this, let me know what you think,

Do at you're own risk and if you screw it up don't blame me

Note: This is a different mod than the one written about in Recording Magazine. This one is much less involved.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2003, 05:00:35 PM by calico »
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2003, 09:19:08 AM »
Oh yea, I don't know anything about the mods, I cut + pasted the article from DAT-Heads...


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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2003, 12:06:24 PM »
okay, after talking to taylor at the sound room, here is some further information and insight into the oktava mics.


> it's
> rumored that the people who put the oktavas together
> will often substitute any old part for the recommended
> component if they don't have it right there.  as such
> some of the mics are made with inferior (or even
> incorrect?) components.  do you know if there is any
> truth in this, and how does your quality control
> differ from it?

Quote
The Oktava plant in Tula has been known to substitute parts for ones of
different values - YES. However their quality control has become better
now
and they do have access to better parts suppliers.

When we "match" a set of mics; we match the ma/p output of the bodies
in
milliamps, then we separately match the capsules for both MV/pa
(millivolt)
output and frequency response.

Then, we ship the sets together withabels on the bodies and on the
capsule
sets.

You see it is a nickel-plated diaphragm and it has a tendency to be a
bit
corrosive after about 7-10 years, as well as not passing the same
voltage
unless they are tensioned carefully.
We use the services of RTT - the owners of 1/2 of the Elation lab in
Moscow,
so we have Alexander Schribeman doing the testing and matching. He was
the
one who invented the MC012 and still owns the license.


> secondly, do the pre-amp bodies have to be "matched"
> as well or is it only the capsules?
Quote
Yes, the current bodies, while better are pretty easy to get two out of
5
that will be close in ma/p output - close enough to be within 10% of
each
other, but the capsules from OKTAVA differ tremendously.

> when i first bought these mics ~1.5 yrs ago, one
> of the preamp bodies was cosmetically and structurally
> inferior to the other.  you sent me a replacement but
> i have no idea whether you matched it and neglected to
> ask as i was so pleased with the service.
Quote
all of the pre-amp bodies we use here are between 11 and 11.1 millivolt
output. That means your bodies (if they both came from us) -even from
different "matched" sets - should be within 1-2%

> finally, for personal reference, are the -10dB pads
> matched also?
Quote
NO - and I would do everything in my power to NEVER use one.
> yikes...i've been using these quite often as the mics
> seem to be fairly sensitive.  what is "bad" about
> them?
Quote
They are a simple buffer-use capacitor design. About as sophisticated
as
using a steel collander (spaghetti seive) to make a shower head.
Capacitors
are not matched and they not only lower the signal strength, but affect
(color) the sound in un-natural ways.

> two new questions and then i will leave you alone for
> a while ;)
> 1. have you heard of the modification to the mc012's
> written about in the latest recording magazine?  any
> input on the benefits of this?
Quote
I am aware of many mods. First, based around the use of a Toshiba
2SK170-BL
FET for the front end. Scott Dorsey does some EXCELLENT mods
(kludge@xxxxx.xxx) and I had two of his bodies on my test bench for 3
years - also used them in the studio. Now that I make MY OWN mics
(totally
different electronics design and capsule design) these babies are with
Elizabeth in the Florida studio.
> 2. have you in fact researched, and would it be
> possible, to have "active" cables to go between the
> cap and the body?  similar to neumann km140's or
> schoeps kcy actives, i mean.
Quote
IMPOSSIBLE, OKTAVA electronics are not set up for this - the mod is
inconceivable without a complete redesign and all new housing and
capsule
mountiong system. It is not worth the time or effort except as a
"leraning
experience" in how to build an active front end for a microphone and
then
end up with something that sounds inferior to many other products out
there.

However, my own T.H.E. mic bodies ARE set-up for goosecks, knuckles,
collette cables, etc. We will bring out these accessories next year.


Regards,

Taylor

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2003, 01:08:50 PM »
I read the article a couple times, and my feeling was that if you were willing to basically trash an oktava mic, you can do it yourself assuming you are OK with the risk involved.  It seems like a pretty easy modification if your are handy with a soldering iron and not afraid of f'in them up if you make a mistake.   The article is a pretty good read.  I was thinking I might get a pair just to try to modify them.  It sounds like a good money making opportunity as well if you had the time and courage to modify a bunch of them and resell them.  Who wants to pick me up a pair of these mics so I can get some omni's and modify them.  We don't have guitar center in Iowa I don't think!


Daryan

i haven't read the article yet, but did get a copy from John Kelly's host site...thanks John

it seems that the factory matched pair costs $250 to $275 if you buy them new

with the gs oktavas you get one free when you buy one

i don't think you can go wrong.

in fact, if you buy 2 pair (buy 2 and get 2 free...although it states one pair per customer) you would still be making out if you mess one of the mics up, but are successfull with the other three.

just my 2 cent

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2003, 01:43:06 PM »
+T for the hard work Simp.
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2003, 04:50:09 PM »
Any word on the mod?

-Kevin

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2003, 11:17:22 PM »
Any word on the mod?

-Kevin

I got the Oktava's cheap ($99/pair) on sale at Guitar Center. I'm going to do some tests on the new bodies with my matched pair of caps before I do the mod. I'll probably record a CD played through my speakers at a measured distance etc... so i have a reference recording before doing the mod. Maybe even record some pink noise through the speakers too.  After that I'll order the parts, do the mod and re-record the same music and pink noise and do some listening tests.

Let me know if anybody has any better ideas on how to evaluate the un-modded vs. modded microphones before I start testing. I'll probably do the tests on the un-modded bodies over the weekend.
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2003, 08:42:46 AM »
Sounds like an excellent plan - music for subjective testing and noise for objective.
Do you have a way of setting exactly the same volume on your amplifier and/or preamp? If they are to be used inbetween the tests that is.

If you the full mod (and replace the FET), can you do an ambient recording before/after using lots of gain? To see noise improvements.

May I suggest using white noise so that we can get a frequency response chart right away without having to compensate?

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2003, 09:06:44 AM »
Sounds like an excellent plan - music for subjective testing and noise for objective.
Do you have a way of setting exactly the same volume on your amplifier and/or preamp? If they are to be used inbetween the tests that is.

If you the full mod (and replace the FET), can you do an ambient recording before/after using lots of gain? To see noise improvements.

May I suggest using white noise so that we can get a frequency response chart right away without having to compensate?

Yes, I have the ability to do all the tests you mentioned. The ambient recording is a good idea too.
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2003, 12:32:31 PM »
I can't wait to see how this works.  Thanks for the time and effort.  Now, if I could get Guitar Center to figure out where my mics are I will be set.

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2003, 01:52:44 PM »
Of course, once someone does this mod and has the recordings to compare with the un-modded microphones, we will never know whether is is worth doing.

There is no doubt that the modification will sound better. Scott Dorsey did the article on modifying the Marshall mics and that modification really made a difference. The problem becomes at what point does it not really become a cost savings. Scott was selling the PCB & transistors needed for the Marshall modification for something like $40 or $45 per mic. Pretty much what he was paying for them. However when you toss in the cost of the Marshall mics $300 per pair you're at close to $400. For a wee bit more you can get some nice AudioTechnica LD mics and you don't have to modify those.

Of course all that said, with the current $99.00 two for one sale, you almost can't go wrong with the Oktava 012 mic. While personally I'm not super impressed with the Oktava sound, for $99 it's not a bad sound. Let's see 10 pairs of Oktava mics, or one pair of SR-77's? ;-)

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2003, 08:59:33 AM »
is this the 1997 DATheads posted mod or some new mod?

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2003, 10:08:29 AM »
I opened up my Guitar center Oktavas last night.
They both have the BC capacitors mentioned in the article. They have  identical parts. So I will have less stuff to replace.

My "matched" Oktavas, on the other hand, both have different capacitors then each other, which concerns me a bit.

I want to keep one pair as "stock" and mod the other pair, just in case I like the "stock" sound better.

I'm planning on ordering the parts this weekend for the mod. I'll post with the results.
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2003, 11:53:41 AM »
My "matched" Oktavas, on the other hand, both have different capacitors then each other, which concerns me a bit.

That would concern me too. Glad i went with the GC cheapies. Good luck with the mod, post your results!


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« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2003, 06:00:44 AM »
Lower noise, yep, my MK012s are as quiet as my KM84, same sensitivity... If you can live with a bit less headroom, you could change the FET gain and win a few dBs in s/n ratio, but it really isn't necessary: with better caps, the noise floor is low enough for most apps.

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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2003, 12:25:50 PM »
Thanks again for your effort on this.  +T

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2003, 02:07:13 PM »
Mod update:

I couldn't find a "one source" retailer for all the parts to do the mod, so I had to order from several places. Digi-Key had the .25 watt 1000M resistors on back order until December, so I went with the .5 watters. They are bigger and more expensive than the .25 watt, but they will work.

I've also been in contact with Scott Dorsey, the author of the article in Recording Magazine. He has been very helpful. If this mod turns out to be a major improvement and lots of people start doing it, I suggest we call it something like the the "Dorsey Mod."

I also had to order twenty of the 2SK170BL FET's as a minimum, so I'll have lots of extras in case someone else wants to do the mod. These were the hardest items to find too. I made a recording today using my un-modded Oktava MC012's with the matched capsules I have.

The rest of the parts should be here this week, so I hope to have time to mod the microphones soon after.
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« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2003, 07:43:06 PM »
NOICE!!!! I might have to look into this.  Altough I keep telling myself I need to save 625 for a pair of ADK TLs ;D

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2003, 12:29:51 AM »
Where can I get a copy of the article?

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« Reply #59 on: October 13, 2003, 05:41:37 PM »
Please save that locally to TS.com in the archive!
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« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2003, 07:44:33 PM »
Thanx!!

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« Reply #61 on: October 14, 2003, 04:34:33 PM »
looking forward to hearing the results of your mods
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #62 on: October 20, 2003, 12:14:06 PM »
http://www.cdipietro.com/oktava/oktava-mod.pdf

todd( dr.phoB ) got a copy and did a rescan on that article.
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« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2003, 02:28:05 PM »
I just had a terrible, terrible experience with www.globalpartssupply.com!

They quoted me a price of $9.90 for (20) 2SK170-BL FET's. To be used in the Oktava mod.
When the parts came, the bill was for $218! I've bought lots of parts from lots of places. (I was a purchasing agent  for a machine shop for 6 years). But I have never been treated as bad as I was from this place.

When I got Global on the phone the woman told me she quoted $9.90 ea.! (I have the actual e-mail she sent that stated $9.90 was the total for (20) parts!) She also told me if I returned them she would charge me a 25% restocking fee which equals $49.50! The woman was beligerant and uncooperative. I suggest to anyone looking for parts... DO NOT use Global Parts Supply!

It's a good thing I used my credit card on this purchase.

So, my modded Oktava's are going to take a little longer than expected. :(



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« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2003, 02:59:28 PM »
chuck i would call them back immediately and ask to speak to a supervisor....don't let that bitch give you bad service, you are their customer, they quoted you a price AND YOU HAVE IT IN WRITING and now they won't honor that AND want to charge you to have it returned!  that would not fly in my book, not for one second, i would have had her boss on the line so fast her head would spin.
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« Reply #65 on: October 20, 2003, 03:00:15 PM »
i just ordered 40 from bdent cause the minimum order was $15. so if anyone needs some i can hook u up for cost.
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« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2003, 03:15:53 PM »
Definately give them a call Chuck.  If you can produce the email, they have NO foot to stand on.

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« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2003, 03:17:12 PM »
screw them, you have it in writing.  You may have to send the stuff back, but they can't charge you for it.
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« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2003, 03:46:16 PM »
screw them, you have it in writing.  You may have to send the stuff back, but they can't charge you for it.

Yeah... My credit card Co. is behind me. I called them. They said return the stuff with return reciept requested. If they don't refund all my $$ they will take care of it for me.

I am going to call the Better Business bureau on them though. :)
She tried to justify the $$ because of supply and demand. These parts go for $.60 at www.arrow.com. This woman is crazy if she thinks I'm going to spend $9.90 ea.!

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« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2003, 03:51:39 PM »
Yeah...
I'm also trying to track down a source for those set screws that break on the MC012's. I think hex drive would be better than the slot drive. The threads are unusual on those set screws. 60 turns per inch.
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2003, 10:27:27 PM »
ok.. i modded one of my mc012's, so i could do a comparison with the other un-modded one. maybe a bad way to do it? but here is the results:

http://philzone.routeflap.net/audio/uploads/oktava-mod

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #71 on: October 27, 2003, 12:21:35 AM »
ok.. i modded one of my mc012's, so i could do a comparison with the other un-modded one. maybe a bad way to do it? but here is the results:

http://philzone.routeflap.net/audio/uploads/oktava-mod

txt file will have info on it. im thinking about offering to do them for people if the demand is there :)


i read your txt file, i see you modded the msp pair from the sound room.  you noted it, but i want to reiterate that the fmsp's from taylor do not necessarily benefit from that mod.  i would only do them on a "disposable" pair from guitar center or elsewhere that are not hand-picked and matched precisely already.
please don't take this personal, but i think that was a dumb move.  not to take away from a successful mod and your efforts in creating a test, but i must admit it seems a little futile to me.  
taylor gets his mics from the factories with the highest quality control and he himself has a high standard in picking which mics he sells, especially with the matched stereo pairs which go through rigorous testing both at the factory and again when he gets them.  i posted a thread with some of his comments in it awhile ago, you may be able to find it if you search for it.
the cheapie gc oktavas most likely came from factories with lower quality control standards.  in some cases the people on the assembly line would run out of certain parts and just grab whatever was around to complete the circuitry of the mic.  now, this isn't so much the case anymore, as i have been told that quality control has been upped in many of the factories since the flood of the low cost oktavas.  
anyways, the gc oktavas likely have inferior or incorrect components which will benefit from the mod.
check out calico's comments on this board, i think he is doing the comparison the right way.  he has a fmsp, and picked up a pair from guitar centar as well to mod.  he hand picked the gc mics and found 2 that he believed were sonically equivalent, by his ears.  he's working on this mod now and will be able to provide a test comparing the sound room fmsp's, the un-modded gc oktavas, and then the modded ones.  i think this test will yield the best results especially with 2 controls to compare the mod to.
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« Reply #72 on: October 27, 2003, 08:40:03 AM »
yes, i know how he picks his mics, i mentioned that in my txt file that he tosses a very high percentage, etc etc.  I personally dont think this was a 'dumb idea' to modify a sound-room pair.  its still getting some of the vital parts upgraded, and its not like its a hard modification to perform anyway.  in addition, i know someone else who has a msp from sound-room that doesnt have identical parts in both and one of them has the C3 and C4 caps that leak.  i think its incorrect to assume that ALL sound-room mics dont need to be touched.  and if they are modified and dont benefeit from it, at least you  know that you have all new quality parts installed. i see only benefeit in that and no harm.  someone is actually sending me a pair from GC that badly need help, so im anxious to work on those too. i actually havent even used my mc012's in a year since i got my 4v setup, but i kept them cause they are great mics, and now they are modified with known quality parts.

i think this is a "your milage may vary" issue. but u can only improve your mics by doing a modification, not worsen them.  :)
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #73 on: October 27, 2003, 09:37:54 AM »
yes, i know how he picks his mics, i mentioned that in my txt file that he tosses a very high percentage, etc etc.  I personally dont think this was a 'dumb idea' to modify a sound-room pair.  its still getting some of the vital parts upgraded, and its not like its a hard modification to perform anyway.  in addition, i know someone else who has a msp from sound-room that doesnt have identical parts in both and one of them has the C3 and C4 caps that leak.  i think its incorrect to assume that ALL sound-room mics dont need to be touched.  and if they are modified and dont benefeit from it, at least you  know that you have all new quality parts installed. i see only benefeit in that and no harm.  someone is actually sending me a pair from GC that badly need help, so im anxious to work on those too. i actually havent even used my mc012's in a year since i got my 4v setup, but i kept them cause they are great mics, and now they are modified with known quality parts.
i definitely see your point, and it's good that you have had some practice performing the mod so you can do it on other mics.  i just think there's more to be gained in modding the non-sound room mics... although if you found yours to have differing components, then all the more reason to do it.

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #74 on: October 27, 2003, 09:38:02 AM »
I am the person who DR.Phob Speaks of with the insides totaly dif and only one has the mod done. so just because it comes from sound room means nothing.

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« Reply #75 on: October 27, 2003, 03:47:31 PM »
When I take out the screws do I turn them inside??? Let them float in the body?? It looks like one of the heads of the screws is broken on mine I am not sure I can get it out

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #76 on: October 27, 2003, 04:12:43 PM »
yes turn them inside, (clockwise) till u can turn the casing of the mic body. dont worry, they are secured inside, they wont fall off inside the body.  the metal of the screws is very soft tho, so be gentle or u can strip the tips of the screw
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« Reply #77 on: October 27, 2003, 04:15:06 PM »
I had one of the screws on my soundroom oktavas fall inside. Taylor fixed for me(he is a good guy)

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #78 on: October 30, 2003, 01:54:34 PM »
I finally got my GC microphones completely modded. With much thanks and a garland of martian fire flowers to Todd for the 2SK170-BL 's. I plan to test them Sunday.

By the way, I figured out the specs on the set screws that hold the MC012's together. Look for M2.5mm x 5mm set screws if you need some to replace the stainless steel ones that break when you unscrew them. The stainless ones are more expensive, so I got the black ones with hex drive. The microphones seem a lot more "sturdy" with these. I feel confident that they won't come apart now when I pull the XLR's off of them.

I hope to have some WAV/SHN files soon that compare:
The GC un-modded MC012's using matched capsules and the
The "matched" un-modded MC012's using matched capsules
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2003, 04:02:28 PM »
If this mod proves to be a definite improvement, would anyone be willing to perform the mod for a fee?  I'm just no good with any of this stuff... ;)
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2003, 05:03:18 PM »
I finally got my GC microphones completely modded. With much thanks and a garland of martian fire flowers to Todd for the 2SK170-BL 's. I plan to test them Sunday.

By the way, I figured out the specs on the set screws that hold the MC012's together. Look for M2.5mm x 5mm set screws if you need some to replace the stainless steel ones that break when you unscrew them. The stainless ones are more expensive, so I got the black ones with hex drive. The microphones seem a lot more "sturdy" with these. I feel confident that they won't come apart now when I pull the XLR's off of them.

I hope to have some WAV/SHN files soon that compare:
The GC un-modded MC012's using matched capsules and the
The "matched" un-modded MC012's using matched capsules
with the "modded" GC MC012's using matched capsules.

Well, I got the tests done. I just need somewhere to upload them. I've got SHN's and text files, 75 mb worth if someone would be willing to host them.

Unfortunately, the first set of tests with the GC microphones before I modded them are not included. Something in my set-up changed enough to make comparisons with those tests unreliable. This is what I did:

Oktava_MC012_PreMod
A pair of matched Oktava MC012 microphone bodies with matched cardioid capsules where used to make this recording as a reference.

Oktava_MC012_PostMod
A pair of unmatched Oktava MC012 microphone bodies with the same matched cardioid capsules as the PreMod recording were used for this recording. These microphone bodies were modified per the Scott Dorsey article, "Do It Yourself: Upgrade Your Oktava Microphone" article in Recording Magazine 09/2003.


These tests were performed in one morning using the exact same equipment set-up (except that just the microphone bodies were swapped). The microphones were oriented NOS (90 degrees - 11.7 inches apart).


Specifically, the PostMod microphone bodies were modified as follows using the parts mentioned in the article:
R1  (1) 680m resistor replaced with (2) 1000m .5 watt resistors in series
R2  (1) 680m resistor replaced with (2) 1000m .5 watt resistors in series
C1  680pf capacitor replaced with 820pf COG capacitor
C2  1uf capacitor replaced with 10uf tantalum capacitor
Q1  Transistor replaced with 2SK170-BL FET
The other up-graded components mentioned in the article were in place when the microphones were recieved. It seems the Oktava factory has been using better parts recently.

Thanks to Todd for his help in getting some of the parts needed to do this project.

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« Reply #81 on: November 03, 2003, 03:51:18 AM »
I will be doing this mod soon. Where should I get the parts?

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #82 on: November 03, 2003, 11:23:57 AM »
check the link earlier in the thread for the PDF of the article from the Sept issue of Recording magazine. it lists all parts, were to get them and the part numbers, making ordering them very easy :)
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #83 on: November 03, 2003, 06:57:30 PM »
Here is the link to the tests I did:

http://philzone.routeflap.net/audio/uploads/oktava-mod/Oktava_MC012_Mod/

Thanks again Todd.
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #84 on: November 03, 2003, 08:27:46 PM »
MD5s failed and none of the SHN will play.

+T for doing this.  Can't wait ti hear them


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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #85 on: November 04, 2003, 06:59:35 AM »
MD5s failed and none of the SHN will play.

I thought it was just me. Too bad.

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #86 on: November 04, 2003, 10:13:17 AM »
MD5s failed and none of the SHN will play.

I thought it was just me. Too bad.

Wayne

Dang...
Hmmm...
I don't know what happenned ???
I'll try again
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #87 on: November 04, 2003, 03:48:48 PM »
MD5s failed and none of the SHN will play.

I thought it was just me. Too bad.

Wayne

Dang...
Hmmm...
I don't know what happenned ???
I'll try again

I've got a plan...  ;)
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #88 on: November 04, 2003, 04:01:13 PM »
Keep us posted.  Real excited to hear these!

+t again.

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #89 on: November 05, 2003, 12:50:06 PM »
Here is the link to the tests I did:

http://philzone.routeflap.net/audio/uploads/oktava-mod/Oktava_MC012_Mod/

Thanks again Todd.

Have these files been fixed yet ? I would like to hear the mods as an Oktava user ...
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #90 on: November 05, 2003, 01:31:45 PM »
I'm going to post them on another site. I'll have a link up as soon as  I can.
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #91 on: November 05, 2003, 06:31:35 PM »


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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #92 on: November 06, 2003, 12:33:36 PM »
I finally got my GC microphones completely modded. With much thanks and a garland of martian fire flowers to Todd for the 2SK170-BL 's. I plan to test them Sunday.

By the way, I figured out the specs on the set screws that hold the MC012's together. Look for M2.5mm x 5mm set screws if you need some to replace the stainless steel ones that break when you unscrew them. The stainless ones are more expensive, so I got the black ones with hex drive. The microphones seem a lot more "sturdy" with these. I feel confident that they won't come apart now when I pull the XLR's off of them.

I hope to have some WAV/SHN files soon that compare:
The GC un-modded MC012's using matched capsules and the
The "matched" un-modded MC012's using matched capsules
with the "modded" GC MC012's using matched capsules.

Well, I got the tests done. I just need somewhere to upload them. I've got SHN's and text files, 75 mb worth if someone would be willing to host them.

Unfortunately, the first set of tests with the GC microphones before I modded them are not included. Something in my set-up changed enough to make comparisons with those tests unreliable. This is what I did:

Oktava_MC012_PreMod
A pair of matched Oktava MC012 microphone bodies with matched cardioid capsules where used to make this recording as a reference.

Oktava_MC012_PostMod
A pair of unmatched Oktava MC012 microphone bodies with the same matched cardioid capsules as the PreMod recording were used for this recording. These microphone bodies were modified per the Scott Dorsey article, "Do It Yourself: Upgrade Your Oktava Microphone" article in Recording Magazine 09/2003.


These tests were performed in one morning using the exact same equipment set-up (except that just the microphone bodies were swapped). The microphones were oriented NOS (90 degrees - 11.7 inches apart).


Specifically, the PostMod microphone bodies were modified as follows using the parts mentioned in the article:
R1  (1) 680m resistor replaced with (2) 1000m .5 watt resistors in series
R2  (1) 680m resistor replaced with (2) 1000m .5 watt resistors in series
C1  680pf capacitor replaced with 820pf COG capacitor
C2  1uf capacitor replaced with 10uf tantalum capacitor
Q1  Transistor replaced with 2SK170-BL FET
The other up-graded components mentioned in the article were in place when the microphones were recieved. It seems the Oktava factory has been using better parts recently.

Thanks to Todd for his help in getting some of the parts needed to do this project.

calico (chuck@taperssection.com)
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Well, I finally got the tests on a server Part 2!

This should do it. I still haven't had the time to do any critical listening yet. I did noticed a 1-2 db drop in gain after the mod. My first impression was that the microphones had a flatter sound. I'd really like to hear what everybody else thinks.

Here are the tests:

www.cs.fredonia.edu/~sisa1297/oktavamod

Many thanks to gsisak for the server space.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2003, 12:34:32 PM by calico »
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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #93 on: November 12, 2003, 09:30:31 AM »
The difference is pretty subtle. The biggest difference is in the top end instead of (as I had read) in the low end.

I wonder what kind of noise and fidelity-improvements you could hear on tests where a real quiet source is recorded with lots of gain. I bet the freq. response-improvements are even more pronounced under such conditions.
Probably not worthwhile if 100% of the readers here are concert tapers though.

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Re:Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #94 on: November 12, 2003, 10:16:57 AM »
So far, my impression is a subtle difference in the high end.
It seems more open. Another observation is they seem to have a 'flatter" response overall.
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Re: Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #95 on: April 01, 2005, 10:24:31 PM »
Anyone have any of these comparisons anymore?

Sorry, found em'. Nice work Calico!

Anyone doing these mods anymore?
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Re: Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #96 on: July 20, 2005, 09:32:57 AM »
Is anybody still able to do these mods ? 

i'm totally game if someone can help, thanks
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Re: Oktava MC-012 MODs
« Reply #97 on: July 22, 2005, 12:36:36 PM »
Is anybody still able to do these mods ? 

i'm totally game if someone can help, thanks


i could do it for you, but wont have time till Sept :(   ping me back then if you are still into it. or if you are handy with soldering/desoldering electronics, i can give you a how-to. but it can get tedious, and if you dont have much expirince with soldering/desoldering its easy to do some permanent damage :(
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