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robust optical toslink cables rec?
« on: December 15, 2003, 12:04:20 PM »
Yes, I've searched through the forum, :P and most references I've found point to the SoundPro and readily available EBay cables.  Not what I'm looking for.  Here's what I am looking for in an optical cable:

[1] robust, thick cabling so I can coil it without fear of kinking - something where the cable is as thick as the body of the toslink connector
[2] solid, meaty connectors
[3] right-angle toslink on one end (optional)
[4] right-angle mini on other end (optional)

Does such a thing exist?  I've searched online with poor results (but that's not surprising b/c I suck at the internet).
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Re:robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2003, 12:15:20 PM »
i like my monster cable.  its not quite as robust as you are saying but its pretty sturdy and it seems to handle coiling well.  that being said i wouldnt bend it in half

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Re:robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2003, 12:33:01 PM »
I'd like to know how many people use optical cables in the field? It's my undrestanding that it's not as accurate as the coax S/PDIF. I've always used coax S/PDIF.
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2003, 12:39:48 PM »
I'd like to know how many people use optical cables in the field? It's my undrestanding that it's not as accurate as the coax S/PDIF. I've always used coax S/PDIF.

Gobs and gobs of discussion about coax v. optical over at CableAsylum.  Basically, the issue is jitter (and people's heated disagreements over whether it's audible).  I figure a short run (1m, tops), HQ glass optical cable will suit my purposes just fine: V3 > AES/EBU > Hosa ODL-312 > optical > JB3.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2003, 12:58:39 PM »
FWIW. I have 6 different optical cables at the house. They all suck except the sound professional one.

It's also r angle on both ends. Good luck getting anything fatter/more robust. I've searched with no luck.
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2003, 01:00:05 PM »
FWIW. I have 6 different optical cables at the house. They all suck except the sound professional one.

Thanks for the feedback.  I'll go back and look at 'em again.  The right angles are definitely a big plus!  It just look so...flimsy.

It's also r angle on both ends. Good luck getting anything fatter/more robust. I've searched with no luck.

I was afraid of that.   :(
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Re:robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2003, 01:01:49 PM »
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[1] robust, thick cabling so I can coil it without fear of kinking - something where the cable is as thick as the body of the toslink connector
[2] solid, meaty connectors

From highest priced to lowest:

Phoenix Gold 3.25' $26.15


Acoustic Research Pro II 3' Cable $24.85


Dayton Digital Optical Cable 1.5' $6.90(and what I own now)


I've order from this company many times and have been very happy with everything.  Finding those "optional" requirements won't happen, but you can find the adapters for this (right angels, and miniplugs) on Parts Expresses site as well if your interested...
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2003, 01:10:08 PM »
damn those look robust  ::)
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2003, 01:12:46 PM »
damn those look robust  ::)

Exactly my point.  Not gonna be easy, likely not even possible, to find what I'm looking for.
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2003, 01:14:07 PM »
damn those look robust  ::)

I think that Phoenix Gold is about the most "robust" optical cable I've seen..

If you've got another which "bests" my robustness it can only benefit the Ska-man...  ;)
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2003, 02:46:05 PM »
I bought the Radio Shack Optical cable and 1/8 adapter.  It is your typical "thick" cable, but no tree-trunk...

I think I read somehwere that the RatShack stuff is relabeld Monster?!?

Anyways, my cable came coiled in a plastic box/case/thingy...

As I have no other means to store, carry, protect the cable, I keep it in its plastic container...  If it was packages for shpping and sale this way, I gotta think it'll survive in my field bag this way...

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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2003, 03:03:51 PM »
How secure are those plugs? If the cable is so robust that it out-robusts the input jack, then what's the use?

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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2003, 03:06:41 PM »
What I mean is, what if the cable is so heavy that the connection becomes compromised? Pull outs, bending, overall stress on the jack...

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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2003, 03:08:14 PM »
How secure are those plugs? If the cable is so robust that it out-robusts the input jack, then what's the use?

 :lol:  This is true, Armen.  I knew what you meant.  I'm looking for balance here.  Most of the cables I've seen so far are thin, flimsy, almost brittle plastic cables which feel like they'll break if I touch 'em, attached to flimsy, plastic connectors which feel like they'll break just pulling off the protective nub.
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2003, 03:15:28 PM »
How secure are those plugs? If the cable is so robust that it out-robusts the input jack, then what's the use?

Oh, yeah, and forgot to add:  typical F-ing architecture student response!
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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2003, 04:14:12 PM »
I have the Acoustic Research cable... I'll be happy to send it your way if you want to try it out.  You'll have to find a TOSlink>mini adaptor, though.

I think you're going to be happiest with the soundpro's cable that Jeff was talking about; it's the best one I've found.
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2003, 04:19:43 PM »
I ordered the SP cable with right-angle toslink and mini connectors.  I figure I oughta have 2 cables, anyway, and not having to deal with right-angle and/or mini adapters will be nice.

I'm still gonna pick up another one, though.  Seems like a lot of people over on CableAsylum rave about glass - not plastic - optical cables.  Can't hurt to have a backup, anyway.  Going to do some more research on the ones Nick posted.  I also found the AR cables and some others I'm gonna look into: SonicWave, Finest Glass, and Apature to name a few.
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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2003, 04:23:17 PM »
they sell the AR cables at BestBuy down here...
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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2003, 04:25:39 PM »
How secure are those plugs? If the cable is so robust that it out-robusts the input jack, then what's the use?

Oh, yeah, and forgot to add:  typical F-ing architecture student response!

Especially this:

what's the use?

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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2003, 04:27:44 PM »
Especially this:

what's the use?

You mean they teach architecture students to design stuff functionally?!?  Could've fooled me with some of the buildings I've been in down here, including my current office.
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2003, 04:30:54 PM »
No, I mean, we're all jaded.
Sounds like some Clemson grad designed your building!

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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2003, 04:53:30 PM »
No, I mean, we're all jaded.
Sounds like some Clemson grad designed your building!

Don't get me started!  Oh, wait...I already got me started.  Let's just say they asked for employee feedback, but implemented rather poorly.  For example:

Employees wanted the windows - only 2 of the 4 sides have windows  >:( - to be public spaces.  So the architects made them hallways.  Not conference rooms, or break rooms, or lounge areas.  Hallways.  I guess hallways are public spaces.  WTF.  And get this: the most frequently used hallways in the building:  4 of our 6 conference rooms.  Pathetic.  Then there're the light switches behind doors, the thermostat controls which activate the environmental controls in a completely different area of the building, office internal-windows with blinds on the outside of the office, the key-fob security access in the warehouse section of the building (but not the main employee entrance)...blah blah blah...I could go on.

'Course, this is the same company that won't buy a $400 printer for our area (8 employees), so we have to walk the loooooong way to the main printer (because all the conference rooms which are the best hallways are actually being used for, well...meetings).

Management apparently isn't capable of simple math: Each round trip takes 3 minutes.  Each employee makes 5 round trips a day.  Management pays these employees an average of ~$50k/yr.  You do the math.  Not to mention lost productivity due to interruptions along the way, broken train of thought, etc.

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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2003, 05:05:55 PM »
Wow, that's a lot to reply to. I think I'd only try it if I was dissatisfied with my job and didn't want to be productive. ;)
So four of your conference rooms are actually hallways?

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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2003, 05:17:30 PM »
Wow, that's a lot to reply to. I think I'd only try it if I was dissatisfied with my job and didn't want to be productive. ;)
So four of your conference rooms are actually hallways?

Four of our 6 conference rooms are *used* as hallways because it's the easiest/fastest way to get from one location to another.  There's no way hallway to get through the interior of the building, basically, hence people use the interconnected conference rooms to do so.  The hallways basically just run around the outisde perimeter of the space.  Dumb.
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2003, 05:18:46 PM »
Ah... sounds like shitty planning to me. ;)
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2003, 07:50:51 PM »
FWIW, in addition to the Sound Pros SP-TMOC-RA toslink right-angle to mini right-angle cable, I also picked up from CablesAmerica (the obsessive side of me insists I have 2 cables in case one fails.):

1m Sonicwave Glass Optical ($24.91, compare v. $50 Sound Pros SP-TOC-99HQ)

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Velocity toslink to toslink right angle adapter ($2.22, compare v. $5 Sound Pros SP-TOC-90)
Velocity toslink to mini right angle adapter ($2.22, compare v. $5 Sound Pros SP-MINI-90)

I'll probably still use the Sound Pros SP-TMOC-RA toslink right-angle to mini right-angle all-in-one cable so I don't have to mess with the adapters.  But damn, for the same price the one from CA sure looks a helluva lot more robust.  Just no damn right-angles built-in.
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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2004, 08:06:58 PM »
decisions, decisions....

when i get my v3 back, id like to get a nice optical cable, either that sonicwave one skalinder posted in this thread, or the phoenix gold one that nick posted

so whats up w/ the rt angle adapters ??? are the sturdy and reliable?

the damn sp ones are so easy to work with, ya know

so any opinions are welcome please, how does good optical cable>rt angle adapter work ??? and by work i men how sturdy/reliable

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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2004, 08:11:32 PM »
Honestly, the SP molded-RA cable I have is so damn convenient - and I'm so paranoid about using the right-angle adapters - it's the only one I use.  I'm just careful with it, as I am all of my gear.  I still carry my Sonicwave + an adapter, but only as a backup.  And I haven't needed it yet.

FWIW, someone posted an EBay link a while ago to an EBay source for the same cable - about $15 cheaper than SP.  But I don't remember where, who, etc.
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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2004, 08:19:46 PM »
Bean, Bean, Bean...you should know better than to double-post your questions, especially a discussion post - this one - in the Archival Info forum!  AIF post deleted.   8)
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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2004, 08:25:20 PM »
sorry, i was just bumping two great threads for someone in my predicament 8)

so, the thing is, i have a sp one, except its a 6ft one, i may just nylon tie it to my target rack and be done w/ it 8)

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« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2004, 12:59:34 PM »
call me crazy, but i'm a fan of my $5 cheapy from ebay.  its not all that robust, but its quite thick, has metal ends, and i've put it thru hell and back.  maybe i should listen to my recordings more closely, but i've never had a bad recording due to the optical cable...at least i don't think i have.

wouldn't glass cables be bad in the field, seems like they'd do a lot better in a stationary position behind my stereo/tv


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« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2004, 01:10:24 PM »
yeah, but that doesn't mean they always are.

edit: for example - when you're drunk after a show, and don't feel like packing up, so you just shove everything in your bag and hope it closes.  heh, i've been there once or twice.


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« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2004, 02:36:44 PM »
I've got the Pheonix Gold opti cable and it hasn't let me down yet. Granted, I don't tow my 1 year old daughter behind it, or swing it around my head when I get into a venue.... ;)
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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2004, 02:38:12 PM »
hehe, i do that somewtimes ed, but nothing gets damaged the way my bag is setup

tony b, what kind of adapters do you have on it to go from toslink>mini ???
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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2004, 02:47:54 PM »
Hm...cablesamerica, I think? To be honest I don't remember...John R pointed me toward a cables site that has every adapter known to man....These adapters are really nice for going into the JB3...they sit well in the "input" with no case-dremmeling needed.

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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2004, 02:51:23 PM »
Nice thread very informative, thanks!
One question I have and have not had much looking for.
Does anyone make a pure glass adaptor?
I can't see much sense in getting a nice glass cable and then putting a plastic adaptor on the end.
Seems like it defeats the whole purpose?
I called sound professionals up and their SP-Mini-90 is made of plastic with a glass end?
Not sure if he meant it was glass inside or if the connector was glass but the insides were plastic.
So it seems it would be glass>plastic>glass>unit


i have a couple of bettercables.com opitcals that i think are the best i've seen in a long time.  would you like to try one?

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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2004, 03:01:37 PM »
hehe, i do that somewtimes ed, but nothing gets damaged the way my bag is setup

yeah, my bag is pretty safe when i do that too, but i still feel bad doing it.  sometimes tho, i'd really do more harm than good if i unhooked everything properly.


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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2004, 03:43:20 PM »
Although I don't use an optical cable in the field, here's my 2 cents.

Here's the ebay seller with cables like SP.  I have one, and it's fine.

I also have a Van den Hul Optocoupler; advertised as having exceptionally tight connections, so it's probably not ideal for frequent connect/disconnect, and it's more expensive than some.  I have this in my home system.

There's also a plastic fiber option that might fare better in a cramped gear bag. The Analysis Plus optical cable looks beefy, and is not expensive. HTH
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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2004, 03:48:18 PM »
Nice thread very informative, thanks!
One question I have and have not had much looking for.
Does anyone make a pure glass adaptor?
I can't see much sense in getting a nice glass cable and then putting a plastic adaptor on the end.
Seems like it defeats the whole purpose?
I called sound professionals up and their SP-Mini-90 is made of plastic with a glass end?
Not sure if he meant it was glass inside or if the connector was glass but the insides were plastic.
So it seems it would be glass>plastic>glass>unit


i have a couple of bettercables.com opitcals that i think are the best i've seen in a long time.  would you like to try one?

jonny, what ya got bud, i may def be interested :)
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Re:robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2004, 04:13:34 PM »

Dayton Digital Optical Cable 1.5' $6.90(and what I own now)


I've order from this company many times and have been very happy with everything.  Finding those "optional" requirements won't happen, but you can find the adapters for this (right angels, and miniplugs) on Parts Expresses site as well if your interested...

I have this cable and i think it is great what i love about it the most is that it is short. the adapters that parts express sells are great as well all metal and glass tips. it is also cheap which aint that bad

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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2004, 04:15:25 PM »
hey bri not to be a pain in the ass but shouldnt this be in the cables forum?  ;)
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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2004, 04:17:59 PM »
thats just it, im trying to order a few rt angles from connectxpress and they have a minimum order of 15 dollars :P

and at parts express I cant find the rt angle adapters, and they have the phoenix gold cable i want

does anybody know if the phoenix cable is glass or fiber ??? i think its fiber, which is proly better for field use since no glass cracks in the filed, id keep the glass at home for the theatre personally

thanks guys, i seem to be slacking mentally today, any help is appreciated

so, is the PG fiber or glass? and does parts express have rt angle toslink>mini adapters?

ive looked for a few days w/ no luck of the rt angle adapetsr
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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2004, 04:18:25 PM »
no, cause im asking tapers questions ;)
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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2004, 04:28:05 PM »
hey bri not to be a pain in the ass but shouldnt this be in the cables forum?  ;)

Heh...right you are!  Good eye, I often don't catch old threads bubbling back up to the top that should be moved to newer forums.  Moving...
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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2004, 04:35:20 PM »
damnit, nazi ;D
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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2004, 10:31:16 PM »
posted elsewhere somewhere here, but i'll give it a go again.  the toslink is the phoenix gold  DTX.910 with the ra's tony mentioned
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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2004, 11:11:54 AM »
posted elsewhere somewhere here, but i give it a go again.  the toslink is the phoenix gold  DTX.910 with the ra's tony mentioned

is that hosa device getting an aes in?
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Re: robust optical toslink cables rec?
« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2004, 11:25:28 AM »
that is the hosa odl 312, which is aes > optical. the odl 276 is coax > optical

 

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