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Title: Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: BobW on January 15, 2004, 11:06:15 PM
Picture this, if you will.
20 foot wide stage with big old theatre horns(Klipsch) on either side.
An overhead I-Beam to clamp on about 10 feet from the stage.
Tin ceiling, circa 1941, about 10 feet up. Place holds about 220 folks.

A live act playing rock/ blues/ bluegrass.
Think Keller Williams, Yonder, Charlie Hunter Quartet, or any 4-5 piece blues act that you've ever seen.

You have a pair of Oktava MC-012 cardioids and are running them for the first time out. You get a pretty decent recording, even tho' it's your first time out because a lot of kind folks answered a survey that you posted on Taperssection.org.
See above, and thanks in advance !   ;D

OK, skip Blumlein, I just realized cards can't do that.  I did say that I'm new, didn't I ?
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: John Kelly on January 16, 2004, 02:34:27 AM
I ran NOS at the Bridge last night, and I think it sounds great.  A vote for NOS over here. ;)
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: RobC on January 16, 2004, 03:23:52 AM
I voted for DIN
I use km184 which are cards too,  and run DIN at most small inside places,  I run ORTF outside and in really open good sounding theaters
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: jpschust on January 16, 2004, 11:47:49 AM
xy, you are gonna be close, but dont want to minimize the spacing too much
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: nic on January 16, 2004, 02:22:52 PM
X/Y with DIN a close second
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: Brian on January 16, 2004, 05:41:30 PM
if you are only gonna be 10' feet away from the 20' wide stage i'd go NOS or ortf. but i've never seen the place so i can't really give a good answer.  if you are gonna be in the back of the venue, x/y all the way.

Brian
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: Jimna on January 17, 2004, 12:40:53 AM
as a newbie w/ a deep desire to learn, ive got to admit that the code is killing me.  i couldnt even answer the poll because im not clear what the options mean.  anyone know where i could learn the lingo?
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: Diggin on January 17, 2004, 01:37:39 AM
http://dpamicrophones.com/eng_pub/MicUni/Main.html
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: Jason R on January 19, 2004, 02:19:48 PM
Most situations I run the MC012's DIN.  In great situations...FOB/DFC.  ORTF just to give you a sence of sound coming to you from behind.
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: BobW on January 19, 2004, 09:14:08 PM
.... ORTF just to give you a sence sound coming to you from behind.

Hmm, well then, I just won't go there.  ;D

Sounds like a phase-inversion, though don't it ?
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: BobW on January 23, 2004, 08:38:57 PM
Anymore voters before this gets closed ?
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: Jason R on January 26, 2004, 04:06:23 PM
.... ORTF just to give you a sence sound coming to you from behind.

Hmm, well then, I just won't go there.  ;D

Sounds like a phase-inversion, though don't it ?

No not an inversion, but a very wide image.  I like that a lot.  I don't like XY.  Yes it is focused and can solve some problems, but it sounds like a recording not like your there.  I also have the hyper and omni caps for the Octavas.  Just ran a Healy set up with the omnis on the stage lip on friday....Freakin great.  Tons of acurate bass and a wide detailed image...what I dig.  I've had these mics for a year and I've tried almost everything.  Tons of fun.  Highly reccomend these for anyone starting or looking for something to mess around with.  I got bored with one type of mic.
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: Chuck on January 27, 2004, 02:51:45 PM
.... ORTF just to give you a sence sound coming to you from behind.

Hmm, well then, I just won't go there.  ;D

Sounds like a phase-inversion, though don't it ?

No not an inversion, but a very wide image.  I like that a lot.  I don't like XY.  Yes it is focused and can solve some problems, but it sounds like a recording not like your there.  I also have the hyper and omni caps for the Octavas.  Just ran a Healy set up with the omnis on the stage lip on friday....Freakin great.  Tons of acurate bass and a wide detailed image...what I dig.  I've had these mics for a year and I've tried almost everything.  Tons of fun.  Highly reccomend these for anyone starting or looking for something to mess around with.  I got bored with one type of mic.

After reading this thread I tried X/Y with my Octavas Sunday night using the cardioid caps. I didn't like it. I usually run DIN,  NOS or Nutter. The "air" that I like in my recordings was missing with X/Y. It sounded a bit too "mono" for my taste. The X/Y recordings that I like are generally very close to the source, not from a balcony in a club or in the TS.

I might try X/Y with hypers sometime to see if that makes a big difference.
Title: Re:Oktava Cards in Small Club
Post by: BobW on January 27, 2004, 09:28:34 PM
Sounds like a new thread to me