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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2006, 09:15:22 AM »
Hm, after reading the "frustrated mac user" thread I'm beginning to think that SBE's are, in fact, the stuff of lore and legend.

SBE's are a myth I tell ya.  A myth.


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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2006, 10:36:43 AM »
ive placed markers w/ as little as 1/3 of a second anywhere from up to 5 seconds before the wav ends, and still get the sbe, thats also after tossing thaqt VERY small wav at the end

Interesting, I've never had that happen.  However, I do know that if you do any processing AFTER you do your tracking (EQing, fades, etc.) that you can make new SBEs... 

I've seen sources marked source>cdwave>SF5.0 (fades)>FLAC that have SBEs because of the fades being put in afterwards. 

Anyways, I think its a good idea to run Traders Helper or SHNTOOLs to check for SBEs and fix them if you can.  Its just nice...

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while it's possible to introduce SBE if you edit the show after you track, it's not neccesarily true.  I always add fades after I track, and I never get SBEs (I check every show with SHNtool).  Fades don't change the length of the file.  As long as you don't change the length of the file, you won't get SBE's after the fact.

Yeah, I think some of the newer music apps have fixed this problem.  I know that older version of Cool Edit and Soundforge had to be set-up to cut on SBEs... 

Bean, I don't know what to tell you.  You are doing everything correctly it seems.  If you are still getting SBEs, then I've got to think that something is wrong with your PC.

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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2006, 01:06:02 PM »
sorry messed up...  see next post
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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2006, 01:11:48 PM »
Hmm.  I could be wrong but I was told a long time ago to NEVER check that sector boundery box in frontend.  It does something bad to the files although I can't remember right now what that is.  Anyone?  Take it for what it's worth.

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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2006, 02:03:24 PM »
Hmm.  I could be wrong but I was told a long time ago to NEVER check that sector boundery box in frontend.  It does something bad to the files although I can't remember right now what that is.  Anyone?  Take it for what it's worth.

i remember hearing that discussion as well, but can't remember what it did to the files.  however, my memory is that more recent versions of the frontend fixed the glitch and that having frontend fix the boundary errors is now ok. 

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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2006, 02:41:55 PM »
Hmm.  I could be wrong but I was told a long time ago to NEVER check that sector boundery box in frontend.  It does something bad to the files although I can't remember right now what that is.  Anyone?  Take it for what it's worth.

i remember hearing that discussion as well, but can't remember what it did to the files.  however, my memory is that more recent versions of the frontend fixed the glitch and that having frontend fix the boundary errors is now ok. 

Well thats cool.  I never did hear much about it after that.  It was years ago. 

I still swear by  CDWAVE>FLAC FRONTEND (SB box not checked)>SHNTOOL.  Works everytime.

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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2006, 03:28:41 PM »
damon is right, i directly asked mike wren about it and he said in the last couple of years, that glitch has been fixeed and the sbe box has been flawless
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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2006, 03:43:43 PM »
damon is right, i directly asked mike wren about it and he said in the last couple of years, that glitch has been fixeed and the sbe box has been flawless

Good to know.  +t for the info.

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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2006, 03:46:16 PM »
+T backatcha, go team akg
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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2006, 05:52:33 PM »

I still swear by  CDWAVE>FLAC FRONTEND (SB box not checked)>SHNTOOL.  Works everytime.

you can skip the flac frontend step with the current versions of cdwav...you can choose to output directly as flac files and cdwav takes care of sbe's for you...then to double check, run shntool to confirm, but this is how i do it and have had zero problems with it.

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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2006, 08:14:52 PM »

I still swear by  CDWAVE>FLAC FRONTEND (SB box not checked)>SHNTOOL.  Works everytime.

you can skip the flac frontend step with the current versions of cdwav...you can choose to output directly as flac files and cdwav takes care of sbe's for you...then to double check, run shntool to confirm, but this is how i do it and have had zero problems with it.

i would do that, i just like seeing frontend say 'verify ok'
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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2006, 02:01:50 PM »
for 24bit files if you make them flacs in cdwav, i don't think it compresses them at all.  last time i did it, the files were the same size as the original wav file.  had to redo them all in frontend.


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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2006, 03:59:36 PM »
i just feel safer using frontend, also, ive been using frontend since i started flac'ing stuff years ago
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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2006, 05:59:22 PM »

I still swear by  CDWAVE>FLAC FRONTEND (SB box not checked)>SHNTOOL.  Works everytime.

you can skip the flac frontend step with the current versions of cdwav...you can choose to output directly as flac files and cdwav takes care of sbe's for you...then to double check, run shntool to confirm, but this is how i do it and have had zero problems with it.

For some reason my compression's not as good going to flac through cdwav.  Don't know why.   :-\

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Re: SBE and CD Wave question
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2006, 07:49:14 PM »

I still swear by  CDWAVE>FLAC FRONTEND (SB box not checked)>SHNTOOL.  Works everytime.

you can skip the flac frontend step with the current versions of cdwav...you can choose to output directly as flac files and cdwav takes care of sbe's for you...then to double check, run shntool to confirm, but this is how i do it and have had zero problems with it.

For some reason my compression's not as good going to flac through cdwav.  Don't know why.   :-\

I bet CDWave uses a FLAC default of 5 or something, whereas most folks compress using 6-8 (I use 8).

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