Topic: lowering vocals off a board feed

[Chad817]

well, I tried searching to no avail.  Most of the time people are looking for ways to help bring out vocals in post production.  I taped a local band here Sat. night.  Ran audience and board.  Terrible sounding club, so I'm not throwing too much of the aud into the mix.  Problem I'm running into is that the vocals are pretty hot off the board.  When I do the mix down, they are quite prominent in a few tracks...more so than I'd like.  They aren't so hot that they clip, just overpowering of the music at times.  I've experimented with dropping frequencies around 11-13k in the EQ, without much luck.  Just wondering if anyone else has run into this before and how they went about working with it.  Any plugins I should look into?  I have cool edit pro and sf 7.0.

Thanks for any help anyone can provide!

[nic]

your only option is lowerig certain frequencies, but you'll run into the problem that the fequencies you are lowering also have music in them that you want to keep.
if the vocals are dramatically louder than the rest of the waveform you can try compressing the vocals, but you want to take care that you arent also compressing music.
theres not much that you can do

[leegeddy]

>>experimented with dropping frequencies around 11-13k in the EQ

you're way too high in the freq.  try different EQ settings for freq. between 1k - 2.5k.

marc

[Chad817]

>>experimented with dropping frequencies around 11-13k in the EQ

you're way too high in the freq.  try different EQ settings for freq. between 1k - 2.5k.

marc

vocals are that low?  I always thought they were higher up.

[nic]

vocals range from about 300 -> 3K

[phishmarisol]

Chad817: What program did you use to lower the frequencies in that range?  That is something I have been toying with but never found a program that I found simple.

[Chad817]

I've been toying with both cool edit pro2 and sf 7.0.  Cool Edit seems to have a bit better control, with the 30 band EQ...sf is 20 (at least with what I have, there may be plugins to achieve greater control)

[leegeddy]

I've been toying with both cool edit pro2 and sf 7.0.  Cool Edit seems to have a bit better control, with the 30 band EQ...sf is 20 (at least with what I have, there may be plugins to achieve greater control)

in CEP, there's a nifty function called "vocal cut".  (from memory)......... goto Transform > Amplitude > Mixer.  in the presets, i think the Vocal Cut is there.

beware, this may cut out too much of the vocals. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.  also, try the Parametric EQ rather than the band EQ.

marc

[phishmarisol]

Well I'm going to toy with CEP and see what I can find..thanks and I'm sure I'll be back with questions.

[Chad817]

I've been toying with both cool edit pro2 and sf 7.0.  Cool Edit seems to have a bit better control, with the 30 band EQ...sf is 20 (at least with what I have, there may be plugins to achieve greater control)

in CEP, there's a nifty function called "vocal cut".  (from memory)......... goto Transform > Amplitude > Mixer.  in the presets, i think the Vocal Cut is there.

beware, this may cut out too much of the vocals. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.  also, try the Parametric EQ rather than the band EQ.

marc

thanks for the info, I'll experiment a bit and see what I can produce.

[joeshambro]

What vocal cut does is basically plays with the phasing to eliminate the center information.  This is for mainly commercial recordings where your vocals are centered and everything else isd floating around in the stereo image.. won't work here.

I'd try a compressor/limiter combo to try to bring out the rest of the material around it.. then some creative EQ...

[leegeddy]

What vocal cut does is basically plays with the phasing to eliminate the center information.  This is for mainly commercial recordings where your vocals are centered and everything else isd floating around in the stereo image.. won't work here.

I'd try a compressor/limiter combo to try to bring out the rest of the material around it.. then some creative EQ...

>>What vocal cut does is basically plays with the phasing to eliminate the center information.

i believe the process inverts one of the channels and sums, thus cancelling out the centermost information.  

marc