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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: goodcooker on December 02, 2007, 04:22:07 AM
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So I really kicked ass at work this year :-X and got a bonus ;D so I think some new/diff mics are in order.
Take the following into consideration when making recommendations//fluffing:
Open taping only
Can be combined with Peluso CEMC6(c,h,sc)
Would like ability to run M/S (for some reason I am really attracted to this, I record up close a lot, mostly rock/psych/pop/punk/jambands in small clubs, but some theatre, some festies maybe this year)
Will be used with Busman PMD670(he described the mod as like the ACM, haven't used it yet) or V3>MT
I like SD over LD purely for convenience sake, but I'd consider LD.
Budget - 600-800 def under a grand
my first thoughts are toward a dual capsule stereo mic but I just can't get past the overly bright sound I've heard from the ones available in my price range.
Any and all recommendations are welcome.
Thanks
edit: if this should be in a different forum please move it.
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cards are going to be your best bet, and eventually you can save up and get a fig8 cap...
i am not sure if there is a fig8 available for the peluso's... might have to bump that budget up a little bit, if you can spend about 1000 you can get a good setup...
I would reccomend MBHO's for your price range. If you don't have a need for an active setup, you could go with the 603 bodies and ka200n capsules - a much cheaper alternative to the 603a (active) setup. Same sound - great mics. although i dont believe that MBHO makes a figure 8 capsule. so adding MS capability in the future is not possible...
You can definitely pick up a set of 603's/ka200 for <1000
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Actually, MBHO's do have eights for the 603/603a series. In fact, Oleg has been trying to sell a perpetually 4 month old one at a near new price for the last 6 months.
One of the problems is that MBHO has no reasonable website where you can check their product lines...which has been discussed many times here in the past.
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read Nick's Picks post about the pesulo's. Apparently active cables and figure 8 caps are planned for the near future.
His post is somewhere in taperchat I believe
+T for the bonus
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read Nick's Picks post about the pesulo's. Apparently active cables and figure 8 caps are planned for the near future.
His post is somewhere in taperchat I believe
+T for the bonus
ahhh, vaporware.
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my first thoughts are toward a dual capsule stereo mic but I just can't get past the overly bright sound I've heard from the ones available in my price range.
I've got an LSD2, and I don't find it *too* bright, but that is a matter of opinion of course. Here are a couple of recent shows which I think have a nice balance of deep bass and crisp highs... I'm using a Oade W+ mod UA-5.
http://www.archive.org/details/ab2007-11-13.lsd2.flac16f (track 2) XY
http://www.archive.org/details/dtb2007-11-13.lsd2.flac16f (track 5) Blumlein
http://www.archive.org/details/hbr2007-11-29.lsd2.flac16f (track 11) XY
I've got a few others not on the archive, with a straight Dmod UA-5, and with Mid/Side. If you seriously start to consider the LSD2, I can get you those.
But, none of these shows are "rock/psych/pop/punk"... I'm not sure how that differs... I thinking that you would be taping more heavy bass, and lots of cymbal crashes...
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I've got an LSD2, and I don't find it *too* bright, but that is a matter of opinion of course. Here are a couple of recent shows which I think have a nice balance of deep bass and crisp highs... I'm using a Oade W+ mod UA-5.
I'd love to listen to your samples, but FWIW those images that you load in with your archives are taking so long to download that it's locking up my machine. Not complaining, but just giving you some feedback. Course, I _AM_ presently on probably the world's slowest freaking internet connection...best download speeds I can get here are like 25kbps. OTOH, even at this speed I can listen to samples on the archive as long as it doesn't lock my machine up for some other reason.
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ADK A51 TL's all the way!! 4 patterns card, omni, figure 8, and hypers. They are large and heavy, but they will give you bigger muscles chicks dig muscles and LD mics.....
Barrett
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ADK A51 TL's all the way!! 4 patterns card, omni, figure 8, and hypers. They are large and heavy, but they will give you bigger muscles chicks dig muscles and LD mics.....
Barrett
one of my first impulses....
listened to some TL > Busman R4 samples this morning and I like. Having the multiple patterns is also very attractive for M/S,Blumlein.
and twatts has a MP on an aging thread over in the YS :hmmm:
I have a real sturdy stand but having one of these upside down for M/S or two clamped on for Blumlein kinda scares me. Looks like the mounts screw on the bottom so prob not that big a deal.
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my first vote (based on price) would be the mbho's, although the fig 8 cap would have to be a second purchase (b/c i think it is around 600-800 alone).
but the LSD2 would be another nice choice. can do M/S and Blum plus the standard xy (and maybe healy omni). its a LD, but since it is just one mic, it shouldnt be like lugging around a pair of the LDs.
i wish i had a bonus :'(
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Hmm... not sure if I'd hold out on the Peluso actives or Fo8 cap, as they're still in development and have been for a long time. The TLs might be cool, as you'd have SD and LD mics to play with.
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I think we'll see that 3 pattern cap in early 08.
:)
i hope, any way.
my vote goes for the LSD2. best bang for the buck. $540 new from fullcompass.
maybe avantones ? modded ?
maybe an avantone stereo mic ? be a guinea pig for the team.
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my vote goes for the LSD2. best bang for the buck. $540 new from fullcompass.
Are you sure that price is still available? (And if so, how do you get it?) I see it listed at $660 there: http://www.fullcompass.com/product/255500.html
That said the LSD2 is pretty nice even at that price point, I don't find it very bright but I seem to have a taste for bright mics.
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it can be bright...
but it can also be mind blowingly good.
FCs printed prices are never the same as what you get when you call and/or have an account.
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I think we'll see that 3 pattern cap in early 08.
:)
i hope, any way.
my vote goes for the LSD2. best bang for the buck. $540 new from fullcompass.
maybe avantones ? modded ?
maybe an avantone stereo mic ? be a guinea pig for the team.
So I think it's gonna be one of these 3.
ADK TLs = proven performance, lots of patterns/options and they are heavy as all get out. But I can use one figo8 and a Peluso subcard for the M if I get the fancy.
LSD2 = proven performance and easy set up. From the few recordings I've heard it kinda brings out the sibilance(?is that the right word) in the vocals and splashiness(I know that's the right word) in the cymbals.
Avantone CK40 = takin one for the team...just might be up for it.
edit: until I saw that little splitter box WTF
Thanks for your insights....
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Avantone CK40 = takin one for the team...just might be up for it.
edit: until I saw that little splitter box WTF
The Peluso P Stereo has a AC/split box but it is not needed for field use. I had Nick make a sweet Hydra 5pin > dual 3pins for me that sounds and works great. Is this the case for the CK40?
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yea, but its a passive box that is only a splitter. no phantom coming from it (that I know of).
either way, a custom cable fixes that issue.
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ADK A51 TL's all the way!! 4 patterns card, omni, figure 8, and hypers. They are large and heavy, but they will give you bigger muscles chicks dig muscles and LD mics.....
Barrett
one of my first impulses....
listened to some TL > Busman R4 samples this morning and I like. Having the multiple patterns is also very attractive for M/S,Blumlein.
and twatts has a MP on an aging thread over in the YS :hmmm:
I have a real sturdy stand but having one of these upside down for M/S or two clamped on for Blumlein kinda scares me. Looks like the mounts screw on the bottom so prob not that big a deal.
The word for MS, Blumlein, and XY is windtech c clamps to hold the mics close to stand for extra securtiy.
Peace
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but the LSD2 would be another nice choice. can do M/S and Blum plus the standard xy (and maybe healy omni).
Excuse my ignorance but what is "healy omni"?
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what is "healy omni"?
Basically it's 2 omnis pointed to the Left and Right. I usually think of it has having some space apart, like 6-12", as opposed to coincident with an LSD2. I ran this way once with my Naks and it had a pleasant sound to it, except it picked up every bit of audience noise in the place. For onstage taping with a quiet audience it might work very well.
A reading from the book of Oade... http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/streicher-healy.html
A variation of this technique, developed by Mr. Dan Healy, the living GOD of live sound, and a convenient segue into our next topic, is the near coincident 180 degree omnidirectional microphone method. Here a pair of omnidirectional microphones are placed approximately ear distance apart and oriented at 90 to the sound source, facing outward.
[snip] We did some of these at the Greek Theater, they are labeled as "critically spaced omnis", enjoy !