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Title: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: jonicont on January 02, 2009, 06:27:13 PM
When using the multi angle function, if you change the crossfade time in the middle of the project, will it be applied to the portion that has already been edited?
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: stantheman1976 on January 02, 2009, 06:31:37 PM
No. 
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: jonicont on January 03, 2009, 07:31:07 AM
Thank you Stan
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: stantheman1976 on January 03, 2009, 09:57:46 AM
Once you've made edits any preferences you change don't apply to what you've already done.  You can go back and change the length of the previous ones manually but preference changes are not retroactive.
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: mozmoz8 on January 03, 2009, 03:14:19 PM
This is another Vegas pro 8 question...I filmed in widescreen and was wondering how I can make the DVD into Standard screen.

When everything is done and edited. I clicked on:

File....then pick "render as" in the drop down menu.....then click on mpeg2 as my file type....then click on custom.....then select "best"....then click on video tab at the bottom.....then click on constant bit-rate as 9.5K

The aspect ratio is already preset as 4:3, width already preset as 720 and height preset as 480.

While I render I can view my picture on the monitor while rendering my video and I can see it rendering as widescreen format.

Can someone tell me what setup to do if my video was filmed as wide screen and want to make a standard screen DVD?

Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: mozmoz8 on January 03, 2009, 03:48:26 PM
Actually I found out how to do it:

http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/24/887001
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: Gordon on January 04, 2009, 12:30:28 AM
if shot in true widescreen, playback on a 16:9 tv will not have black bars.  you may see them in vegas.  if so right click on the video timeline > properties > uncheck maintain aspect ratio.

if shot in 16:9 you should render as 16:9
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: stantheman1976 on January 04, 2009, 08:25:29 AM
If you shot in widescreen you need to set the project properties as NTSC DV Widescreen.  You're preview window will show a widescreen image with no black bars.  Then when you render use the same settings, NTSC Widescreen.  When you watch the final product on a 4:3 set it will have black bars.

I do all my projects in widescreen now.  Since just about the entire broadcast world has shifted that direction I think it makes the video look a little more professional.
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: Gordon on January 04, 2009, 01:41:44 PM
I should have clarified that he may see them in vegas if he didn't set the project properties as NTSC DV Widescreen.
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: guitard on January 08, 2009, 02:36:03 AM
This is another Vegas pro 8 question...I filmed in widescreen and was wondering how I can make the DVD into Standard screen.

If I understand your question properly, then you need to crop the 16:9 to 4:3.  Obviously, you'll be losing some of the video, but that's what happens when you crop a widescreen shot to 4:3.
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: BayTaynt3d on January 25, 2009, 01:07:46 AM
This is another Vegas pro 8 question...I filmed in widescreen and was wondering how I can make the DVD into Standard screen.

In general, you should still do your post in widescreen and burn a widescreen DVD. Most modern/good DVD players -- when set up appropriately for the TV that the viewer owns -- will show the widescreen action for the widescreen TV or show a letterboxed version for those with 4x3 TVs. This gives everyone what they need. However, if you must force a 4x3, then I'd set both your project properties that way (4x3, and you should then see the letterboxing in the preview) and render that way (in 4x3). It is also possible in Vegas, and not too hard, to create a pan-and-scan 4x3 (basically you automate a 4x3 cropped frame right and left inside your source widescreen) version from your widescreen master.
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: guitard on January 25, 2009, 07:25:01 AM
However, if you must force a 4x3, then I'd set both your project properties that way (4x3, and you should then see the letterboxing in the preview) and render that way (in 4x3). It is also possible in Vegas, and not too hard, to create a pan-and-scan 4x3 (basically you automate a 4x3 cropped frame right and left inside your source widescreen) version from your widescreen master.

I think if you set the project properties as 4:3, isn't it going to squeeze the video?  I've left the properties set for wide screen and used the second method you described (Vegas even has a 4:3 preset in the pan/crop function window), and rendered an mpeg that was a perfect 4:3.

It takes a while longer to render the mpeg, but that's about the only difference I noticed.
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: BayTaynt3d on January 25, 2009, 02:03:48 PM
However, if you must force a 4x3, then I'd set both your project properties that way (4x3, and you should then see the letterboxing in the preview) and render that way (in 4x3). It is also possible in Vegas, and not too hard, to create a pan-and-scan 4x3 (basically you automate a 4x3 cropped frame right and left inside your source widescreen) version from your widescreen master.

I think if you set the project properties as 4:3, isn't it going to squeeze the video?  I've left the properties set for wide screen and used the second method you described (Vegas even has a 4:3 preset in the pan/crop function window), and rendered an mpeg that was a perfect 4:3.

It takes a while longer to render the mpeg, but that's about the only difference I noticed.

Nah, you must have had something else set weird, like the pixel width, in order for that to happen -- or possibly Vegas couldn't recognize the pixel width of your clips. But, in general, if you drop widescreen clips into a 4x3 project timeline in Vegas, it'll just letterbox it perfectly for you instantly (and vise versa, aka pillar box). I've done this for years with Vegas. Of course previews will slow and so will rendering due to the resizing, but that's expected. That's not to say there may be times where using pan/crop is appropriate, but for something as simple as wanting a letterboxed 4x3 from widescreen, it should be as simple as changing the project settings. If not, you have something else going on, and if it stretches or compresses without letterboxing, that's nearly always a problem with how pixel width is set in the project or the events. But, like I said above, if the target is DVD, you should edit and render a widescreen DVD, and let the viewer's DVD player sort out whether to play it letterboxed or widescreen (just like a rented movie would work).
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: stantheman1976 on January 25, 2009, 02:53:56 PM
On the topic of rendering, are there any settings to check out to optimize rendering speed? 

I had a 3 cam shoot last weekend and the middle angle needed to be cropped to straighten it and needed color correction.  Then I used Magic Bullet Look Suite white diffusion on the final track.  It's taking a total of 48 hours to render a 97 minute video at about 1 frame per second.  I'm rendering to DV-AVI and will encode MPEG-2 with TMPGEnc as that's my encoder of choice.  Normally with Magic Bullet filters it takes a lot longer anyway and using color correction and cropping I knew it would take a while since each frame has to be re-encoded.  Just wondering if there are any tweaks to shorten it any.

I'm using a 1.6GHz Core 2 Duo laptop with 2.5GB RAM.
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: BayTaynt3d on January 25, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
MB will kill your rendering times, I bet it's 90% of your slowness...
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: stantheman1976 on January 25, 2009, 03:27:05 PM
It does normally take a lot longer with MB.  I filmed a wedding on the beach in October and the 10 minute ceremony took 4 hours to render.

I was just wondering if there are any tweaks I could look at. 
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: beatkilla on January 28, 2009, 11:16:39 AM
Maybe try network rendering.I thru a magic bullet effect on a clip and it was rendering at about 1 frame a second with 1.99ghz ,intel duo core, 2gb ram.I found magic bullet to be useless as i can get better results with color correction and the render goes very fast.
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: stantheman1976 on January 28, 2009, 12:27:21 PM
Thanks.  I'll see if network rendering helps.  Right now it's at 93% with about 3 1/2 hours to finish.  It's 11:25AM here on Wednesday as I type.  I started rendering on Monday at about 1:30PM.  The finished video is 97 minutes.
Title: Re: vegas pro 8 question
Post by: Depechemode1993 on January 28, 2009, 01:29:14 PM
So I recently got Vegas Pro 8 and I am also trying to get the best out of my HD camera. When I want to render my raw mt2s file what do I want to render it to so that I keep the HD footage but that I can put it to a Dual Layered DVD? I am looking at a 2 hour and 12 minute show that I want to put to DL-DVD. I am really a noob when it comes to editing video footage... so any tips/hints would be fabulous!