Topic: M148 vs. V3 w/ km140's

[Big Perm]

has any run a comparison with 140's using oade's 148 vs. a V3.  I have been running a 148 since 2001 and am thinking of getting a V3, but am wondering others opinions of the set-up
thx
BP

[Brian Skalinder]

Depends in part on the ADC used.  What ADC do you use today with the M148?  Are you considering using the V3 purely as a preamp, and maintaining your current ADC?  Or are you considering replacing both your M148 + ADC with the V3 as both preamp and ADC?

[Big Perm]

just purchased apogee mme, have been going directly into PMD671.  I will use V3 for pre only
bp

[thekittycatt]

I will use V3 for pre only
bp

Have you thought about a V2?

[Big Perm]

tell me more???
no i have not,  i have just started playing with the idea of switching from the 148
bp

[Brian Skalinder]

My standard spiel:  Before changing gear, I personally find it important to consider the sonic characteristics I do and do not like in my current gear, then seek out new gear that preserves the sonic characteristics I prefer while (hopefully) improving (or removing) those I do not.

Is there anything particular about the sound you're achieving with 140s > M148 > MiniMe that you do or do not like?  That you do not hear but would like to hear?

[thekittycatt]

tell me more???
no i have not,  i have just started playing with the idea of switching from the 148
bp

V2 is a pre only.  It does not have the ADC like the V3.  The V2 is about $200-300 cheaper used.  The V3 has better meters lights for checking your levels.  Some think the V2 pre sounds better.  Some think the V3 pre sounds better.  Some think they sound the same.  It you want to come to Colorado, we can do some testing.

edit:  I have 140's, a V2 and, aV3

[nedstruzz]

I used to run 140's>V2 and was always happy with the results.  Never ran a 148 so can't comment.

[greenone]

I have a V2 I'm considering selling if you're interested: http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,123847.0.html

[Big Perm]

good advice,
the MME should be here tomorrow, so I want to run the km140>m148>mme>pmd671 for a couple of shows. Get a feel for up close vs. further back then I can answer the question posted about what am I missing and/or what do I not like.
still might pick up a  V2 or V3 to run comparisons if I find a killer deal
thx all
bp

[SmokinJoe]

Lynchie owned 140's, an m148, and a V3, at least for a while.  He probably has an opinion for you.

[thekittycatt]

Lynchie owned 140's, an m148, and a V3, at least for a while.  He probably has an opinion for you.

I would get some off his recordings and compare which one you like.

[Nick's Picks]

I have run all of the above.

my ears prefer 140 > v2 or v3 > any old A/D converter (V3 esp.)
but km150>MME is SICK, using the stock preamps in the Apogee.

[Big Perm]

What was the biggest difference you could hear when running v2 vs 148
thx
bp

[Nick's Picks]

neumann > v2 was crystal clear and detailed.  nice low end (tight and fast), and that lovely neumann shimmer.
neumann > 148 (and this was with 140s), was a little thick sounding to me.  it just didn't compliment the sound of the neumanns.  I'm sure it would sound better w/the ak50 caps, or an ak40/20 M-S rig.

140>248 sounds good too.  I've got a shit load of stuff on the archive w/that combo.  check out some STS9 pulls from 2005 that I made w/this combo if you care to.

[Big Perm]

thanks, that actually a big help.  I know EXACTLY what your talking about 140>148!  I just picked up a V-2, I need to figure out power supply for it now
bp

[dgale]

I ran KM140s>V2>AD2K for a little while while I had a loaner V2...now I run KM140s>SD MP-2>AD2K.  I liked everything about the V2 other than the stepped gain, which I avoid with the MP2.  Not a big deal when you have some familiarity with the rig at select venues/locations.  I've actually considered looking for a used V2, although the other side of me would like to have a setup I like that involves fewer boxes and associated power supplies, cables etc.  I'll be curious toi hear what you think of the MiniMe with the KM140s.  I still love the sound of my AD2K, although it is limited to 24/48 (but it allows simultaneous 16 and 24 outputs, which I always thought was a cool feature for patchers, DAT back-up etc., although I guess that need is getting a bit obsolete).  I liked the V2 enough that I always assumed the V3 would be a good match if I wanted to have one less box but am curious about people's thoughts on the V3's ADC in conjunction with the KM140s (and perhaps as an alternative to my AD2K).

[Kindguy]

I ran a psp-2 (close to the same sound as a 148 IMO) > mme twice now & thought it was a little thick. I really like the V2> MME or the wendt x2> MME. Or just the MME by itself.

Pretty sure I'll stick with the V2>MME most of the time. But I really like the meters on the wendt.

Give me a few days to get back from the beach & settled back at work & I can sendspace samples of any of the above combos.

[BC]

I liked the V2 enough that I always assumed the V3 would be a good match if I wanted to have one less box but am curious about people's thoughts on the V3's ADC in conjunction with the KM140s (and perhaps as an alternative to my AD2K).

I like 140>V3, here's a sample you can check out. IMHO the 140's pair well with neutral/leaner sounding gear, moreso than warmish equipment as I feel like the 140's can be a little loose and thick in the low end.

http://www.archive.org/details/skb2003-03-28km140.shnf

[silentmark]

I quite enjoyed just the minime and my neumanns, not a big fan of grace, fantastic products & service, just not my bag. Been running the fr2le as of late and I totally dig it, YMMV of course ...

[Jammin72]

I would run 140->MME personally.  The V2 and to a lesser extent the V3 have a very slightly veiled sound that wouldn't pair well with the extremely laid back and warm character of the 140's especially if you're running FOB at head height.  The 148 doesn't exhibit that same character but it's certainly adding a layer of warmth over a very warm sounding microphone aka the thickness.  The MME soundstage tends to lack a touch of depth when compared to the V2, V3, or 148 but has lightning quick transient response and adds just a touch of sparkle to the sound which IMO would be a great counterpoint to the sound of the 140's.  You won't go wrong with any combo above but considering the character of the pieces you may wanna consider running the MME for a while without the extra box.  The Limiter on the MME also makes for a fantastic set it and forget it rig at bluegrass festivals!

[scb]

I still love the sound of my AD2K, although it is limited to 24/48

why is yours limited to 48k?  didn't all ad2ks do 88.2 and 96khz?

[bhadella]

:cough:

sonosax

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[edtyre]

am curious about people's thoughts on the V3's ADC in conjunction with the KM140s (and perhaps as an alternative to my AD2K).

Don't get rid of the ad2k, the V3's ADC won't be better (not to my ears).
I have an Oade Mod V3 that i run analog out   v3>ad2k> and the ad2k
sounds way better that the Oade mod ADC
To prove that point, i run the Oade digi out to an MT2 as a back-up
and the ad2k sounds better everytime. i want only two boxes too, but three's the winner.
I'm sure others will disagree, but i like it a lot.

[ero3030]

am curious about people's thoughts on the V3's ADC in conjunction with the KM140s (and perhaps as an alternative to my AD2K).

Don't get rid of the ad2k, the V3's ADC won't be better (not to my ears).
I have an Oade Mod V3 that i run analog out   v3>ad2k> and the ad2k
sounds way better that the Oade mod ADC
To prove that point, i run the Oade digi out to an MT2 as a back-up
and the ad2k sounds better everytime. i want only two boxes too, but three's the winner.
I'm sure others will disagree, but i like it a lot.

ed, wer'nt u an oade mod v3 fluffer not so long ago?!!lol   guess your ears r getting better w/ age.  try some oade pre's w/ the schoeps thats what i'm talkin about   ed

[edtyre]

ed, wer'nt u an oade mod v3 fluffer not so long ago?!!lol   guess your ears r getting better w/ age.  try some oade pre's w/ the schoeps thats what i'm talkin about   ed

That was with my DPA 4023's, they paired very well with the Oade mod V3. All this mixing and matching pre's and adc's
with different types of mics and talking about it doesn't mean much. It's all in how it sounds to your own ears, and i like
the rig i mentioned above the best of everything i have run so far.

[Kyle]

I have to agree with the V2/V3 > AD2K+ sentiment. It has a really smooth and transparent sound that allows the sound of the mics to come through very well. I have run several different ADC's and the AD2K+ is the winner for me time and time again. So much detail, nice and punchy, great 3D soundstage, the best metering hands down - it takes the cake every time. I have wanted to slim down from three boxes but the sound I want just isn't there. So I lug it all around. Never regret it.

You should try it with the PSP-2. Just keeps getting better! I would love to hear it with the Aerco.

[K.C.]

:cough:

sonosax

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[keepongoin]

i actually liked running the 140s>m148> V3.  i was always concerned about the signal being to hot, but for bluegrass it sounds great.  i ran this for most of rockygrass 2005.