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Ah, so it turns out that M10 volume knob was a little easier to move than I'd hoped.  Love the deck, but as it's already almost solely my  >:D deck, I may need to go with something more idiot proof. 

What's the latest and greatest?  I'd rather not go back to the R-09HR because of the screen's flimsiness.  I'd like something with a solid quality mic input as I'd be running mostly mics>bb>deck.  Again, it has to have the capability to engage "HOLD" and have that prevent the levels from being adjusted (like the -09HR).
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The older Marantz PDM-620 would be a good choice if you record mostly loud stuff (it gets a bit noisy if you need to add a lot of gain). A bit pricey though.

I got one only because somebody put one up on E-Bay for $150 (plus $15 cash back) but I like it a lot for mic in. For most mics you don't even need a battery box with this recorder. Plug in power is 4.7 volts, which seems to be enough to operate even DPA 4060's and CA-14's (even though both are supposed to need a bit more voltage).

Still, though I know you've thought of it, why not just put a little gaffers tape over the M10's record wheel?

My record wheel isn't going to move on me, so for for me it's an advantage that it doesn't lock with the rest of the buttons.

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You might look at the Tascam line.  I'm using a DR2d, mosty because it will do 4 channels and is pocketable, but their stereo only machines probably work the same way.  Tascam makes so many small recorders now I've lost track on the others.  The DR2d has input gain controled by side mounted up/down buttons like the R-09/HR and locks all onboard functions with the hold switch.  One nice feature is that it comes with a very small IR remote, which is not locked-out by the hold switch.  I've found I can start, stop and pause recording by pointing the remote at the top of the recorder, without taking it out of my pocket or unlocking hold, and can confirm status by the small LED next to the IR reciever between input jacks on top of the recorder.  I think the remote will adjust gain as well while locked but I haven't tried that.  Since you have to physically aim the remote at the recorder, not having the remote locked is not a problem, just keep it in another pocket.

Curious about the flimsy screen issue on the HR, I hadn't heard anything about that.
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The DR-2D was definitely something I was thinking about... I did not realize it did 4-channel.  I know it records a "backup" to itself though.

I considered just gaff taping the M10 level knob, which would probably work, since I generally know about where I should set it.  But as I'm not one of the users that runs an external preamp when I'm recording low-profile, I would be stuck with whatever gain I set, unless I wanted to remove the tape. 

My R-09HR screen cracked when I had it in a bag with some other gear.  The screen itself is protected by a very flimsy piece of plastic that, if it takes any kind of direct hit, will smash and then let whatever the object is hit the actual screen.  The Sony's screen seems more solid to me.  And of course, the pre is better, too.
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Not sure if the DR2d is the best Tascam choice for a simple pocketable stereo recorder or not. The second copy at lower level feature could be useful if you have a tough time guessing appropriate gain settings, but I use it because of the 4 channel capability (note that you cannot change gain on the second stereo pair while recording). It works well, and it sounds slightly better to me than the original R-09, but the battery life is a bit short at ~4.5hrs.  If they provide the remote with their other decks you might look at those too.  To protect the screen and the whole recorder I keep mine inside a slim Station Inn beer coozie as a simple padded case which fits easily in my pocket.  I use the old Body Glove phone cases with the R-09s, but they're slightly short for the DR2d.

And of course, the pre is better, too.

Is it?  I've heard several users questioning that, and know one personally that has gone back to the HR.
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The older Marantz PDM-620 would be a good choice if you record mostly loud stuff (it gets a bit noisy if you need to add a lot of gain). A bit pricey though.

Maybe also worth considering the Oade concert mod version of the PMD620.  To me, it sounds great (and for quieter stuff too).  No 96 KHz sampling and Oade disables the internal mics, though, if those things are important to you.  I have an M10, but, to be honest, the Oade 620 is still my choice most of the time.  Let me know if you want some samples; I have a lot of recordings with it (including last night's The Bad Plus show with their typically broad range of volumes)...

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I have a lot of recordings with it (including last night's The Bad Plus show with their typically broad range of volumes)...
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Maybe also worth considering the Oade concert mod version of the PMD620.  To me, it sounds great (and for quieter stuff too).  No 96 KHz sampling and Oade disables the internal mics, though, if those things are important to you.

That should be considered mandatory if you were going to pay the normal $399 price for an unmodded 620, since the 620 rarely seems to be discounted & Oade sells his modded units for only $30 more than that-its practically free.

I personally could care less about 96Hz. I can't hear the difference and like saving the disc space.

I got my unmodded 620 for $135 (after cash back) from E-Bay. If I had bought new, I'd have gotten one of the Oade mods.
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..including last night's The Bad Plus show with their typically broad range of volumes

Nice, love the BP.  Did you run the 4060s? How'd you set up?
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Quote from: acidjack link=topic=139586.msg1806695#msg1806695 date=

I considered just gaff taping the M10 level knob, which would probably work, since I generally know about where I should set it.  But as I'm not one of the users that runs an external preamp when I'm recording low-profile, I would be stuck with whatever gain I set, unless I wanted to remove the tape. 


Use gaffer or electrical tape and fold one end of it back on itself so you have a little tab you can pull on. You'll be able to pull the tape off just enough to adjust the gain and immediately re-secure the tape. Could not be easier and no one should  >:D taping without it.

I also like the r09 for this reason. If it didn't overload so easily by my nbox's fixed +20 db of gain, I wouldn't really have a preference between the m10 and the r09.  They're both great options!

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Quote from: acidjack link=topic=139586.msg1806695#msg1806695 date=

I considered just gaff taping the M10 level knob, which would probably work, since I generally know about where I should set it.  But as I'm not one of the users that runs an external preamp when I'm recording low-profile, I would be stuck with whatever gain I set, unless I wanted to remove the tape. 


Use gaffer or electrical tape and fold one end of it back on itself so you have a little tab you can pull on. You'll be able to pull the tape off just enough to adjust the gain and immediately re-secure the tape. Could not be easier and no one should  >:D taping without it.

I also like the r09 for this reason. If it didn't overload so easily by my nbox's fixed +20 db of gain, I wouldn't really have a preference between the m10 and the r09.  They're both great options!

I can second the above statement .....thats the way I secure my M 10 dial after trashing two shows.

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Will this get torrented?
 :)

I am not sure; I'll have to see how it sounds.  I haven't listened to it yet (haven't gotten it off the card for that matter!), but the sound at the venue wasn't balanced real well.  The drums were too prominent.  More like The Dave King Trio than The Bad Plus!  But I'm happy to get you a copy either way...

Nice, love the BP.  Did you run the 4060s? How'd you set up?

Me too.  This was a sort of cool set-up as well.  The concert hall (Kolner Philharmonie) is next to a museum (Museum Ludwig).  At 8:00, your concert ticket got you into the museum for a Roy Lichtenstein exhibit; at 9:00, The Bad Plus played a short set (~30 or 35 minutes) in the museum; and at 10:00 they played a full set in the concert hall...

But, to answer your questions:  Yes, I ran the 4060s.  I was pretty close up and dead center.  Call it approximate HRTF...And the crowd was good; almost no noise at all...From the crowd noise perspective, I think this will be a great recording.  Worried about Ethan and Reid getting swamped in the mix, though...

I'll be seeing them again Saturday (Tilburg, NL) and am contemplating the Thursday night show at the Bimhuis (Amsterdam) too...

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I've always used tape over controls I don't want to move.

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I've always used tape over controls I don't want to move.

Sure, me too.
But the rec level is a whole different issue. It's not like Limiter or High Pass. Sometimes you have to mess with your recording level control.
That's why I don't have a M10.
It's amazing that a product of a reputable brand needs a dirt piece of tape to work properly.


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Where the heck are you guys putting your deck during  >:D taping where the dial moves?    ???
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Use gaffer or electrical tape and fold one end of it back on itself so you have a little tab you can pull on. You'll be able to pull the tape off just enough to adjust the gain and immediately re-secure the tape. Could not be easier and no one should  >:D taping without it.

Guysonic posted this tip here long ago so I gave it a shot & and it works great. I eventually took off my tape though. The wheel just isn't going to move on me.
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Sometimes you have to mess with your recording level control.
That's why I don't have a M10. It's amazing that a product of a reputable brand needs a dirt piece of tape to work properly.

There isn't a sound tech or road crew anywhere that doesn't use tape. Dirt tape? I use gaffers tape. Markertek.

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Sometimes you have to mess with your recording level control.
That's why I don't have a M10. It's amazing that a product of a reputable brand needs a dirt piece of tape to work properly.

There isn't a sound tech or road crew anywhere that doesn't use tape. Dirt tape? I use gaffers tape. Markertek.

Dede is from Brazil, I think, and English is his 2nd language. I wish I spoke Portuguese as well as he speaks English.

Many people find that the M10 works great without the tape, I like it the way it is because I can lock the other functions and still change the record level without taking the hold off. The wheel on mine is stiff enough that it's not going to move on me, but all my recording clothes are baggy. How it would work stuffing it into a tight jeans pocket without tape is beyond me.
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My control is pretty tight too, but I use tape on it anyway, force of habit. As has been mentioned, it's easy to make a tape flap that can be pulled back and re-applied easily if you have to. Personally, I know what levels I'm expecting and usually don't have to change anything. The awesome battery life of the M10 makes it very easy to set everything up before you even go into the venue and not have to worry about even touching the machine if you're stealthing it.

Of course, I'm an old guy and don't go to shows where they pat you down.  ;D

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Sometimes you have to mess with your recording level control.
That's why I don't have a M10. It's amazing that a product of a reputable brand needs a dirt piece of tape to work properly.

There isn't a sound tech or road crew anywhere that doesn't use tape. Dirt tape? I use gaffers tape. Markertek.

Dede is from Brazil, I think, and English is his 2nd language. I wish I spoke Portuguese as well as he speaks English.

Many people find that the M10 works great without the tape, I like it the way it is because I can lock the other functions and still change the record level without taking the hold off. The wheel on mine is stiff enough that it's not going to move on me, but all my recording clothes are baggy. How it would work stuffing it into a tight jeans pocket without tape is beyond me.

Hey, fmaderjr, thanks for the kind works.  ;)
Well, there's nothing lost in translation here, really. The word "dirt" is a poor way to describe gaffers tape, but, hey, that's what it is: a cheap piece of plastic with adhesive on one side.
Aosone, yes, sound and crew guys are always using tape. But they do not have security thugs trying to spot them during a concert. I do.
My point is: I just can't perform tricks with a piece of tape when I'm recording live music. That's why I do not have a Sony.
But make no mistake: I wish I could.  :'(
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That's why I don't have a M10.
It's amazing that a product of a reputable brand needs a dirt piece of tape to work properly.

What recorder do you use?
Milab VM-44 Links > Fostex FR-2LE or
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That's why I don't have a M10.
It's amazing that a product of a reputable brand needs a dirt piece of tape to work properly.

What recorder do you use?

Hello, Brian.
R-09HR or the old R-09.
I have plans for a new one though. A Tascam maybe.
Take care  :)
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Why change the recording level during a musical performance?
We have 24 bits, you know the venue, the mics, the deck, maybe even the band or the regulations on sound levels.

The gain change will be audible...

So, why then is adhesive tape inadmissible?

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Why change the recording level during a musical performance?
We have 24 bits, you know the venue, the mics, the deck, maybe even the band or the regulations on sound levels.

The gain change will be audible...

So, why then is adhesive tape inadmissible?

Why change the recording level? Because sometimes you have to.  ;D
Hey, don't take this as a personal remark. I like the Sony stuff. I just don't don't like the fact that you have to improvise with a piece of gaffers tape, that's all.
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Slap a piece of plastic on the back that extends out beyond the knob, instant recessed knob.

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I just don't don't like the fact that you have to improvise with a piece of gaffers tape, that's all.

Me too, the idea does not please me.  We'll see how much of an issue it is once I get one.

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the knob does have some friction so its not like it spins like a bicycle wheel.
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I just don't don't like the fact that you have to improvise with a piece of gaffers tape, that's all.

Me too, the idea does not please me.  We'll see how much of an issue it is once I get one.

Same thing here,friend. ;D
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On of the cooler features of the Tascam I picked up for other reasons is that you can lock all onboard controls with the hold switch, but the included remote still functions.  It's great to lock it down, pocket it, then be able to stop or start recording and adjust levels via the remote by simply exposing the top of the recorder (location of the IR reciever and a small red indicator LED).  Pocket the remote and there is no chance of accidental adjustment since it is IR based and only works line-of-sight.
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On of the cooler features of the Tascam I picked up for other reasons is that you can lock all onboard controls with the hold switch, but the included remote still functions.  It's great to lock it down, pocket it, then be able to stop or start recording and adjust levels via the remote by simply exposing the top of the recorder (location of the IR reciever and a small red indicator LED).  Pocket the remote and there is no chance of accidental adjustment since it is IR based and only works line-of-sight.

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DR2d

Not sure if their other models with IR remotes work the same way or not.

I'm using it for it's 4 channel external input recording capability.  For my use the Rec/Start/Stop/Pause controls via remote are great.  I don't use the input-level adjustment via remote because it only affects the primary input pair (mic-in jack), not the secondary input pair (line-in jack).  The level adjustment via remote could be useful for stereo recording, or four channel if you only need to adjust the mic-input pari don't need to keep the gain mached between all four, but you'd need to see the meters or clip light to make doing that useful.
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^Hey GutB....  is the DR2D capable of 4channel recording with outboard mics?  Or is it 2channels of internal mics + 2channels of outboard mics/sbd?  Is it actually 4channels in the results....  or do the 4channels get mixed down internally?  Thanks....  I'm not familiar with the DR2D.....  sounds interesting if you can run 4mics into it!
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The DR2d is primarily designed a stereo recorder and like most pocket sized decks has two built-in mics and separate mic and line-inputs.  It's unique in that it has a feature called dual record, targeted primarily at making a second 'safety' stereo recording at a lower level, in case the primary recoring clips.  In that configuration it is two channels in, but writes two seperate stereo files.  Alternately it can be set for two seperate stereo inputs, comprised of either the 2 internal mics + a stereo external input, or 2 external stereo inputs using both mic and line-inputs simultaneously.  You can choose to mix those two stereo inputs internally and write a single stereo file, or write two seperate stereo files.  That configuration is primarily targeted at mics plus a soundboard feed.

That last configuration is how I use it- except instead of adding a soundboard feed, I'm using four external mics into twin CA-UGLYs, one feeding the mic-input, the other feeding the line-input.  I end up with two stereo files, providing 4 synced channels.

I previously used two R-09s with the same mics and preamps.  The DR2d allows me to eliminate one recorder and have the resulting files synced perfectly from the start.  The ability to lock-down and start with the remote is a very nice benefit, all the more so in my case because not only do I not need to start and stop two recorders anymore, I don't even need to take it out of my pocket to do so.  The external Energizer battery pack is key in that I don't need to worry at all about leaving the recorder on for long periods before or between sets and running out of juice.  I may be able to power both preamps from the same battery pack, but haven't tried that yet.  Doing so wouldn't really reduce size much, but would make for an easy way of managing and checking only one battery with more than enough reserve power.
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To answer your question more directy- Yes, you can use the DR2d to record 4 external mics to seperate tracks.  However, Plug-In-Power (and input level adjustmet via remote) is only available on the mic-input jack pair.  The line-input provides no mic powering and its input level is not adjustable while recording, only via a menu beforehand.

So it's slighly akward if you need to adjust levels for all four channels, but is the only pocketable 4-channel external input deck I know of besides the quite expensive Sonosax. 

I'd prefer a setting that provided two identical stereo line-inputs and linked their input gains, adjustable via the remote, but I'm more than happy with it as it is.
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DR2d

Not sure if their other models with IR remotes work the same way or not.

I'm using it for it's 4 channel external input recording capability.  For my use the Rec/Start/Stop/Pause controls via remote are great.  I don't use the input-level adjustment via remote because it only affects the primary input pair (mic-in jack), not the secondary input pair (line-in jack).  The level adjustment via remote could be useful for stereo recording, or four channel if you only need to adjust the mic-input pari don't need to keep the gain mached between all four, but you'd need to see the meters or clip light to make doing that useful.

Interesting. Does it sound good? Great? Just OK?
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^^^Wow......  looks like I found my next gadget!  I've been fantasizing about a small, pocket recorder like this (but more like you said, with two line-inputs) for a way to run 4 small mics.  Fantastic!!!  Thank you for the information!!!  +T

What size Energizer are you using to power it? 
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The Energizer LIion battery pack is the X800 or something like that XP8000.  Cost me $60 from B&H with a mass of cables and adapters.  Has three output jacks: 5, 9-12, and 18Vdc.  Smaller than a DVD battery.  Details are in the DR2d thread.

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It sounds as good as the recording you make with it.  ;)

Sync issues aside, I think it ultimately sounds significantly superior to my original R-09s on better recordings, but I've made stellar sounding recordings as well as crappy ones with the R-09s too.  I don't find the difference suprising as ADC technology and flash recorder competition have marched ahead.  I think any sonic difference is mostly ADC related in my case- I hear more smoothness and depth of soundstage & ultimate detail in the better recordings.  It's input stages are probably a good bit quieter as well, but I always run the external preamps so that is a non-issue for me and one reason I felt little need to move to the 09HR.   I still love the R-09 which is in someways superior in it's simple, rock-solid, absolutely trouble free reliability.  All in all I think the DR2d is a fantastic deal at $200 new for 4 tracks in a pocket.. I think I paid $300 each for the R-09s, a very good price 4 years ago.

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The Energizer LIion battery pack is the X800 or something like that.  Cost me $60 from B&H with a mass of cables and adapters.  Has three output jacks: 5, 9-12, and 18Vdc.  Smaller than a DVD battery.  Details are in the DR2d thread.

Interesting. Does it sound good? Great? Just OK?

It sounds as good as the recording you make with it.  ;)

Sync issues aside, I think it ultimately sounds significantly superior to my original R-09s on better recordings, but I've made stellar sounding recordings as well as crappy ones with the R-09s too.  I don't find the difference suprising as ADC technology and flash recorder competition have marched ahead.  I think any sonic difference is mostly ADC related in my case- I hear more smoothness and depth of soundstage & ultimate detail in the better recordings.  It's input stages are probably a good bit quieter as well, but I always run the external preamps so that is a non-issue for me and one reason I felt little need to move to the 09HR.   I still love the R-09 which is in someways superior in it's simple, rock-solid, absolutely trouble free reliability.  All in all I think the DR2d is a fantastic deal at $200 new for 4 tracks in a pocket.. I think I paid $300 each for the R-09s, a very good price 4 years ago.

Thanks, friend. ;)
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No problemo.

The Energizer LIion battery pack is the X800 or something like that XP8000
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