Topic: v3 vs 722

[F.O.Bean]

hmmm, mk41v is RULER flat, especially compared to the mk4v, BUT thats kind of apples/oranges isnt it, the mk4/41 have the xt bodies and the 4v/41v have the cmc6 bodies in those diagrams

[Brian Skalinder]

hmmm, mk41v is RULER flat, especially compared to the mk4v

Pretty darn close to the 41s, but as the polar diagram suggests, more of the MF/HF content is coming from the rear on the Vs than the 41s.

BUT thats kind of apples/oranges isnt it, the mk4/41 have the xt bodies and the 4v/41v have the cmc6 bodies in those diagrams

I don't think so.  As I read the charts, only the last freq response curve in each diagram corresponds to the XTs.  The first freq response curve and polart diagram correspond to the CMC6s.  At least that's how I read the charts.

[F.O.Bean]

hmmm, mk41v is RULER flat, especially compared to the mk4v

Pretty darn close to the 41s, but as the polar diagram suggests, more of the MF/HF content is coming from the rear on the Vs than the 41s.

BUT thats kind of apples/oranges isnt it, the mk4/41 have the xt bodies and the 4v/41v have the cmc6 bodies in those diagrams

I don't think so.  As I read the charts, only the last freq response curve in each diagram corresponds to the XTs.  The first freq response curve and polart diagram correspond to the CMC6s.  At least that's how I read the charts.

duh! my bad

hmmm, instead of the 41v's having a HF bump, seems they actually DROP at the 15k mark 

at least with the cmc6, maybe the xt's are diff

id like to see a chart with the 4/41v+cmcxt too

anyhow, wonder what youre actually getting when going mk4v/41v>lemosax? guess the capsule diagram would come into play more than anything

i think the v's have more off-axis sounds because the capsule is a bit differently made and side-address, seems like the v's have more mic capsule surface anyway, maybe thats why?

sorry for the thread highjack jon

[bkirby]

The Schoeps XT bodies will only present extended frequencies with the standard capsules, and NOT the "V" caps. Using the XT bodies with any of the V caps will produce identical results to using the standard CMC6 bodies. Just an FYI...

[it-goes-to-eleven]

i think the v's have more off-axis sounds because the capsule is a bit differently made and side-address, seems like the v's have more mic capsule surface anyway, maybe thats why?

Question is...  Is schoeps rating the polar response with the V capsule in a vertical orientation?  I know a lot of folks run them horizontal.

I can imagine that the larger and more open grid/capsule mounting of the V may be what gives it a more even polar frequency response at say 90 degrees.  But I wonder if that consistency still applies when run horizontal?  In that case, you have the top of the cap housing possibly creating a shadow/comb/whatever.. I think it must be different on that axis.

It would be an interesting question for schoeps and a very interesting comp.

[ghellquist]

The 4V > V3 > 722 was my least favorite. It sounded fantastic, but too clean and crisp for my tastes. The downloaders love this combo though because it is so stereo friendly on the low end.

I run a 722 without any V3 and would really like to understand what this difference is. I mean, if you enable the high-pass filter on the V3 it would be obvious, otherwise the difference should be really, really tiny. In another thread lil kim jong il posted a comparison and I must say that apart from difference in levels I cannot really hear at all what people are talking about.

Just maybe, why not high-pass a bit in post processing. With a good program it will add quite a bit to the experience. And set levels up to normal (because we all do have quite a bit of headroom on 24 recordings, do we?).

Just wondering? Are there samples anywhere?

Here are (for a short time) two short samples of my recordings:
http://hem.bredband.net/b121263/F1.mp3
http://hem.bredband.net/b121263/M1.mp3

Gunnar

[BC]

But I wonder if that consistency still applies when run horizontal?  In that case, you have the top of the cap housing possibly creating a shadow/comb/whatever.. I think it must be different on that axis.

I agree, I bet the off-axis response is quite different depending on the orientation of the capsule. Just my guess though.

[jmerin]

its either schoeps>v3(pre)>722 ad

or schoeps>722(pre)(ad)

thanks

jon