Topic: V3s>744s Is it just me?

[gratefulphish]

I have seen a bunch of rigs lately, where people are running V3s into 744s.  Am I missing something here, or wouldn't just about any bit bucket do the trick, as long as it could patch out of the V3?  I could see a V2 maybe, but I am not sure that I would have spent the extra $ on the 744, unless I was going to take advantage of its pres and A/D.  I opted for an R-4 Pro, and am considering a V3, but I am going to borrow one, so that I can field compare first.

[Kyle]

V3 analog out > SD744 =

[bkirby]

I think a lot of people already had V3s before the SD boxes came out. With the lack of V2s on the used market, better to keep the V3 until a V2 shows up. I have been casually looking for a V2 for a while now, but no real luck!

[Shawn]

I have seen a bunch of rigs lately, where people are running V3s into 744s.  Am I missing something here, or wouldn't just about any bit bucket do the trick, as long as it could patch out of the V3?  I could see a V2 maybe, but I am not sure that I would have spent the extra $ on the 744, unless I was going to take advantage of its pres and A/D.  I opted for an R-4 Pro, and am considering a V3, but I am going to borrow one, so that I can field compare first.

I could be wrong, but I think the 744 only have 2 pres in it, so if you want to run 4 channel you have to run an external pre.

[sygdwm]

I have seen a bunch of rigs lately, where people are running V3s into 744s.  Am I missing something here, or wouldn't just about any bit bucket do the trick, as long as it could patch out of the V3?  I could see a V2 maybe, but I am not sure that I would have spent the extra $ on the 744, unless I was going to take advantage of its pres and A/D.  I opted for an R-4 Pro, and am considering a V3, but I am going to borrow one, so that I can field compare first.

I could be wrong, but I think the 744 only have 2 pres in it, so if you want to run 4 channel you have to run an external pre.

correct.

[scb]

the V3 is way more pre than the V2.
I'll take real meters over a single flashing, color changing led any day of the week.
The trim feature on the V2 sucks my nut-sack.
I sold my V2, and have no interest in going backwards.

but the meters are in th digital realm.  if you're using the v3 as a pre only, those meters won't do anything for you

[terrapinj]

the V3 is way more pre than the V2.
I'll take real meters over a single flashing, color changing led any day of the week.
The trim feature on the V2 sucks my nut-sack.
I sold my V2, and have no interest in going backwards.

are those meters really necessary with the 722 meters? - i haven't run a v3 so I can't compare but it seems to me that the v2/722 are a perfect match together - what don't you like about the v2 trim knobs?

[ethan]

I think a lot of people already had V3s before the SD boxes came out. With the lack of V2s on the used market, better to keep the V3 until a V2 shows up. I have been casually looking for a V2 for a while now, but no real luck!

Although I haven't moved on from my V2>AD1K ( have two working AD1K's now) I will never get rid of my V2...it's just too useful.

[bkirby]

are those meters really necessary with the 722 meters? - i haven't run a v3 so I can't compare but it seems to me that the v2/722 are a perfect match together - what don't you like about the v2 trim knobs?

The V2 trim knobs are actually decreasing (in 1db increments) the gain that was already established on the large knobs (essentially padding the signal). The V3 small knobs actually add gain in 1db increments. I never used the V2 trim knobs, and I still wouldn't use them running into the 722. I would set the gain in 5db increments (using the larger knobs) closest to my liking on the V2 or V3, and add the couple extra db (if needed) by using the 722 knobs! Basically the way I have to run it with the M148!!! Just my $0.02...

[terrapinj]

the V3 is way more pre than the V2.
I'll take real meters over a single flashing, color changing led any day of the week.
The trim feature on the V2 sucks my nut-sack.
I sold my V2, and have no interest in going backwards.

are those meters really necessary with the 722 meters? - i haven't run a v3 so I can't compare but it seems to me that the v2/722 are a perfect match together - what don't you like about the v2 trim knobs?

the V2 attenuates signal if you trim it, and it also reduces headroom.
The V3 adds gain, positively.
To run at unity requires a little fudging. The 722 inputs are slightly sensitive, so, you need to attenuate slightly at the 722, and back the gain down to below 0db gain, and, or, slightly less output from the V3.
I prefered to get the gain from the V3, so I'll back the 722 off, and run the V3 at proper analog output.

In actuality, I have not run the V3 in many months (since june06 / Seda-Kourosh). I've grown accustomed to, and, like the 722's slight bit more 'punch' from the onboard pre's. So the grace has just been ballast in my gear bag, and not been used much.
I don't want to take a bath on the $$ value of the V3, so I'll hold onto it.

which reminds me I still don't think i've tracked out that Kourosh show and given you a copy - i'll get to it eventually 

[ts]

the V3 is way more pre than the V2.
I'll take real meters over a single flashing, color changing led any day of the week.
The trim feature on the V2 sucks my nut-sack.
I sold my V2, and have no interest in going backwards.

ditto

[ts]

I use it as an analog pre all the time, and its dead on accurate as far as analog meters.
I don't think that I've used it more than once in the last two years, as a digitizing preamp.

light up the greens, and flicker the first amber, and you can run in perfect unity.

ditto . Exactly what I've been doing with all my cassette transfers and taping to ofcourse plus it's great for patchers, that are friends

[balou2]

I got nothin' to add, but this is a great thread.  Thanks for all the info.

[F.O.Bean]

are those meters really necessary with the 722 meters? - i haven't run a v3 so I can't compare but it seems to me that the v2/722 are a perfect match together - what don't you like about the v2 trim knobs?

The V2 trim knobs are actually decreasing (in 1db increments) the gain that was already established on the large knobs (essentially padding the signal). The V3 small knobs actually add gain in 1db increments. I never used the V2 trim knobs, and I still wouldn't use them running into the 722. I would set the gain in 5db increments (using the larger knobs) closest to my liking on the V2 or V3, and add the couple extra db (if needed) by using the 722 knobs! Basically the way I have to run it with the M148!!! Just my $0.02...

this is exactly what i do too brad!

and as for the v2 being a step backwards, i dunno about that, the v2 has ALL locking xlr connectors including the 4-pin xlr for my battery setup, that way all rt-angle can be achieved easily

and the sound is right there with the v3 IMO, just diff gain structures, and the v2 gets ALOT of battery life, just like running the v3 analog only(like i did all summer) to conserve battery power because the ADC wasnt being used, like moke is saying.

[gratefulphish]

Why, that's impossible!  Everyone knows the 722 pre can't run standalone

That's why I started this thread.  I was trying to figure out why people were spending $2-4,000 on 722s and 744s, and still running external pres and A/Ds.  Will there EVER be a device that will have the pres and A/Ds that "inquiring ears want to hear", so that we can just carry one single piece of gear with a battery?  Excluding mics, stand, cables, etc. etc.