Topic: Lip of stage techniques?

[Gedit]

i do a lot of stage lip recordings .. ORTF as mentioned above.

i should have said i stage lip when i have a sbd patch or am running FOH and then matrix the sources.

[danlynch]

Quick question:  tonight I will have the opportunity to run a pair of mics (DPA 4021s) from the stage lip, through the on-stage snake, to the board, where I will pull that line into the RCA aux of the Edirol, while running the KM150s FOB into the xlrs. 

My question/problem, is powering the 4021s.  Will the onstage snake have phantom power, or am I going to have to borrrow some gadget like the Denecke (DA_20?)?

[Tim]

the board should have phantom (even the cheapest boards do). So long as the channels you are using are connected to the board you will be fine.

If your mics will just be running from the snake back to the board position and the cables will not be plugged into the board you will need to supply phantom power.

The da-20 is a pre/ad. The ps-2 is their phantom power box. There are others, I'm sure you can find some in NYC.

[aegert]

Dan

You can also try putting the 150's at either end of the stage just inside the pa stacks, actually best just up against them, pointing out into the crowd above the crowds head.. Matrix that with the sbd pull and you might be surprised...

A

[danlynch]

Dan

You can also try putting the 150's at either end of the stage just inside the pa stacks, actually best just up against them, pointing out into the crowd above the crowds head.. Matrix that with the sbd pull and you might be surprised...

A

Thanks both of you for the information/advice.

I ended up doing almost exactly this approach, using some board feed to get more vocals.  The results are amazing. 

[Distant Jay]

what about healy method, anybody ever try it. I was thinking of trying it on sunday or at least using omnis no matter what.

[BC]

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,98079.msg1307087.html#msg1307087

might be some useful info in there

[BlingFree]

http://www.archive.org/details/ToubabKrewe2007-09-12.onstageTascamPE120.flac16

onstage omnis

Source: onstage, 2' left of center, 1 foot high, spread approx. 145°
Lineage: H320> USB> SoundForge 9 (tracking, +3dB volume)> FLAC FrontEnd
Taped by: Scott T.

this put out a stellar recording

[SmokinJoe]

LSD2 Mid/Side...  http://www.archive.org/details/delf2008-02-22.lsd2.flac16f

Grab the last track "rest of set 2" and put on some headphones.   

[Nick's Picks]

wow..that sounds awesome Joe.

[Shawn]

I have found from doing many on stage recordings that the mic placement is more important than any particular configuration.  The concept that mics need to be dead center, with a fixed pattern, just does not work in many small venue settings.  If your stand ends up dead center, three feet from the drum kit, you are not going to be pleased, especially if the guitar amp is far left or right, with a bass player between the drums and guitar.  The bass from both the bass drum and bass amp can just kill the guitar sound.  I will frequently set up off-center in those situations, and adjust mic angles accordingly. 

this is great advice. being DFC at a perfect right angle to the stage-lip is rarely the best location when makign a stage-lip recording. Some times moving a few feet off center and angling the mics a bit can make a huge difference in the final product.

what about healy method, anybody ever try it. I was thinking of trying it on sunday or at least using omnis no matter what.

I have once, and I was unimpressed. I've generally been unimpressed with healy method omnis. I'd rather j disk or split them myself.

[jkbyram]

here is one i did last weekend where i was centered on the drums about 3 feet away at 2' high. the rest of the amps were in a semicircle around the drums so dead center was my best bet to avoid any one amp on the side being to loud. here are some pictures of the setup in action. the recording came out fantastic. http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,99885.0.html    this was a galactic side project.

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=513569

[Distant Jay]

tried it and I think healy method sucks. Thanks for the advice. You were right.

[heyitsmejess]

http://www.archive.org/details/rumpkemb2008-02-01

very quick and basic ( i was late getting there).

omnis 17cm apart, facing straight up, at the lip of the stage.

comments wanted.....please!