Topic: Best ORTF mounting solution?

[DSatz]

boojum asked:

> Now the question is how accurate is the translation by Schoeps from German to English?

I've been Schoeps' primary German-to-English translator for the past few decades, so you can ask me for an unbiased assessment any time ...

The corresponding German sentence is, "Außerdem ist es in Bezug auf die Platzierung des Mikrofons relativ unkritisch und deshalb auch für den noch nicht so erfahrenen oder eiligen Anwender geeignet."

Very literally that means, "Apart from that, it is relatively uncritical with regard to the placement of the microphone, and therefore suitable also for the user who is not yet so experienced, or [who is] in a hurry."

--best regards

By the way, ghellquist is right; the 17 cm spacing wasn't intended to be "head-related." It was determined entirely by experiment.

[boojum]

So I was thinking of running this at an up coming show. I'm using the shure a27m bar and Busman mics and busman shockmounts.


I "think" i have this setup right.. 17cm from cap to cap angle of 110
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I just a little confused, is it better to mount on the same plane, or does the vertical setup matter?? 

The closer to the same plane the better.

[boojum]

"die Platzierung des Mikrofons relativ unkritisch"   I would have picked up the relative forgivingness of the array from this, as rusty as my German is.  About all I remember is, "Aus, ausser, bei, mit, noch, zeit, von, zu immer nehmen Dativ."  This is of scant help.

Thanks for the input.    ;o)

[John Willett]

So I was thinking of running this at an up coming show. I'm using the shure a27m bar and Busman mics and busman shockmounts.


I "think" i have this setup right.. 17cm from cap to cap angle of 110



I just a little confused, is it better to mount on the same plane, or does the vertical setup matter?? 

The same plane is better,

But with mics that long you can't - so vertical displacement is fine.

[DSatz]

But are those cardioids? The symbol on the capsule head seems to have a little rear lobe, like a supercardioid.

[John Willett]

But are those cardioids? The symbol on the capsule head seems to have a little rear lobe, like a supercardioid.

Oooh - very observant - I missed that.

[meatballs]

I really love the look, construction,and name (space) of the Grace bar.

So to whoever found that baby, thanks -it was exactly what I was looking for.

[E@rl]

But are those cardioids? The symbol on the capsule head seems to have a little rear lobe, like a supercardioid.

Hypers. Was just fooling around with the placement haven't changed that caps since i did my last tape..


That being said, i was thinking of running hypers in ortf. Is that taboo.. like i said still getting into the game i figured id try it see how it sounds and then try something different especially since i have the different caps.

[DSatz]

Not taboo, but certainly not ORTF any more--and depending on the actual pattern of your microphones you'll get a different stereo image and a different impression of the room from what you would get with an ORTF setup.

--best regards

Edited later to add (since there's this vast ocean of empty space next to my photo): Another thing to be aware of is that the term "hypercardioid" is used rather loosely by all but the top-tier microphone manufacturers, and sometimes even by them (e.g. Neumann). True hypercardioid microphones are rather rare. Most microphones that are "more directional that cardioid" are somewhere between supercardioid and hypercardioid in their actual pattern--generally closer to supercardioid. That just seems to sound better and to meet more people's practical requirements. A true hypercardioid is only a short step away from being a figure-8, so it has a considerable rear lobe which can pick up unwanted sound.

[boojum]

But are those cardioids? The symbol on the capsule head seems to have a little rear lobe, like a supercardioid.

Hypers. Was just fooling around with the placement haven't changed that caps since i did my last tape..


That being said, i was thinking of running hypers in ortf. Is that taboo.. like i said still getting into the game i figured id try it see how it sounds and then try something different especially since i have the different caps.

Nothing is taboo.  It is just that in some situations, " . . . results are unpredictable."  Check the "Stereo Zoom" which is a sticky in this forum for angles and ditances on hypers.  You'll have better luck that guessing based on ORTF angles and distances.


Cheers

[John Willett]

I really love the look, construction,and name (space) of the Grace bar.

So to whoever found that baby, thanks -it was exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks - it was me.

Grace should shortly be coming out with more accessories for the bar; including a bridge to mount a centre mic. and a flying rig.

So keep an eye on the Grace website.

[E@rl]

So i tried it out it did what it was supposed to do sounds like im sitting in the spot i was taping from...

Just a little on the quiet side... i was taping from the soundboard at DeerCreek which is about 30 rows back. dead center. Guess ill have to work the rest of the kinks out.have a listen let me know what you think open to any and all suggestions.

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=527228

[meatballs]

I simply can't wait -- did by chance, anyone see a true production "flight"? at AES.

I have a feeling I will be needing a couple more 8040's :-)

Products like this make big smiles for small town country boys and girls! :-)

[jim1274]

So I was thinking of running this at an up coming show. I'm using the shure a27m bar and Busman mics and busman shockmounts.


I "think" i have this setup right.. 17cm from cap to cap angle of 110
<snip>
I just a little confused, is it better to mount on the same plane, or does the vertical setup matter?? 

The closer to the same plane the better.

How critical is this vertical displacement?  I've gone to great lengths to keep the mic bodies just a hair apart in coincident or near coincident pairs.  I looked at that Shure vertical bar at one point and discounted it based on the vertical displacement distance.

Boy, that Grace bar is a thing of beauty, but SOOOO pricey.  I'll stick with the 10 buck bar, a riser or two, and 39 cent plastic protractor....

[goodcooker]

I use a Windtech, an adjustable stereo bar (K&M) and two clips of different heights (an AKG and one that came with my Pelusos)

Cheap and workable with very little vertical separation.