Topic: Mic Comp: DPA4060 vs. Nevaton MCE400

[dactylus]

Sample A: http://iput.it/82b108
Sample B: http://iput.it/bcff94

Thanks Mike!

Sample B is preferred by me.  Sample A sounds thin, brittle, tinny...

I think that sample B = DPA

[acidjack]

Sample A: http://iput.it/82b108
Sample B: http://iput.it/bcff94

Thanks Mike!

Sample B is preferred by me.  Sample A sounds thin, brittle, tinny...

Interesting... while I preferred B, I'd have said B was the clearly more bright one.  I like that sound, but it certainly had more high end. I thought A had somewhat flabby bass and didn't have as much air between intstruments.

Could be a matter of very different playback gear, but your response almost makes me wonder if the two were switched!

[dactylus]

Sample A: http://iput.it/82b108
Sample B: http://iput.it/bcff94

Thanks Mike!

Sample B is preferred by me.  Sample A sounds thin, brittle, tinny...

Interesting... while I preferred B, I'd have said B was the clearly more bright one.  I like that sound, but it certainly had more high end. I thought A had somewhat flabby bass and didn't have as much air between intstruments.

Could be a matter of very different playback gear, but your response almost makes me wonder if the two were switched!

Hmmm, maybe they were switched.  The sample A that I listened to was definitely the brighter one.

[TNJazz]

Hmmm, maybe they were switched.  The sample A that I listened to was definitely the brighter one.

Agree. 

A is significantly brighter than B. 
B has a much wider soundstage than A.

I was wondering about files maybe being switched myself, based on some of the comments above.

My reference monitors are flat, so I wonder if the headphone listening might be impacting it as well?

[Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B)]

I don't think I switched anything. Same files as I downloaded from the first post.

[Gutbucket]

I think the issue is one of words.

On the originally posted files both have emphasised regions in the upper half of the spectrum.  A's emphasis is more of a broad peak in the presence region,  B's empahsis starts a bit higher in frequency and remains booted more like a shelf EQ.

The difference in perception and interpretation of that into words gets confusing.  Thin brittle and tinny might acurately describe the presence region boost.  More high end boost and airy may accurately describe the higher shelf boost.  I think brighter is the somewhat more confusing term use used here, as it could describe either, depending on perspective.

Dancing about architecture.

[JD]

^^^ I was curious about the grids too.  Soft boost?  No grid at all?

The grids where on, whichever ones come on the mics. I think the longer ones?
I have never had them off.

[SmokinJoe]

^^^ I was curious about the grids too.  Soft boost?  No grid at all?

The grids where on, whichever ones come on the mics. I think the longer ones?
I have never had them off.

OK then, I'm flipp flopping.  I prefer B on the shorter samples (haven't listened to the longer ones).  Now I think that is the DPA's.

Come on JD, time to pop the secret... which is which?

[asobriquet]

Source "A" sounds similar in character to my dpa4061's, so I'm guessing "A" is the dpa pull and "B" is the Nevaton source.

[JD]

[Come on JD, time to pop the secret... which is which?

PM sent.

I'm going to post which mics go with which samples tomorrow night.
Anyone else want to take a listen and make a guess?

[Gutbucket]

Sticking with B = 4060s, and willing to guess that it was made using the short grids.

short low boost grid-


long high boost grid-


Just found what has previously been a rather elusive reponse graph for the 406x without grids and posted it here-
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=147921.msg1894491#msg1894491

[tcf]

As a nevaton owner I love the whole nevaton line. I've run both the b&ks and have owned three sets of mce400s. I've always preferred the 400s and would recommend them to everyone. I've used the 4060s with fantastic success so please do not think I am a dpa hater. No matter what this is a great comp.

Good job

[JD]

I'm willing to guess that it was the short grids on the 4060s.

short low boost grid-

Correct U are!  That's the one on my mics

[Lonman]

I choose B and think it was the Nevetons. I have seen this artist at least 10 times in the past 3 years and have recorded her a few times as well but never with my Nevetons. I am half deaf and EQ'd sample A  to see if I could make it work for me and I couldn't. Right off B struck me as, yup I pic this one! Also banjo player has been on Hulls right I believe and he comes in thru the left channel like he is on the right and I could not tell that with sample A.  Bottom line, dunno' nothin' but I be liken' B.
Lon

[bugg100]

my pref, B

my guess, a, nev
b, dpa

these don't really seem to be from the same location...

Thanks for the comp!
Joe