Topic: The MM-HLSC-1 Appreciation Thread

[tod3sschu3tze]

How are they compared to DPA 4022 cardoids regardless of stealth capability?

the hlsc-1 are substantive bigger! someone here who has got both mics and can take a picture for better comparison, please?

[Belexes]

Some photos comparing the SP-CMC-8 to the MM-HLSC-1 in terms of size.  Lincoln for reference.

[Belexes]

Another....

[illconditioned]

OK, I've tried the Senn MKE40 again.  Very nice sounding mic I think, better than AT853 certainly, and some more detail than Church Cards.  The problem is EQ.  Lack of bass, and maybe(?) tuned for voice/middle ranges.

It would be worth figuring out the correct EQ to fix this mic.  I believe there was a guy over at Micbuilders who was writing a program to do this, but it was never released.

So far, I'm fixing this by just mixing with soundboard for a *kickass* tape.  I'll post a sample at www.soundmann.com soon...

  Richard

[Liquid Drum]

These mics seem to have overloaded easily... 

Explanation here:-

Recorded Rush last night. The sound was truly amazing (especially for an arena). I had levels on my h120 set to 12 on both channels and safety clip on (set at 1sec). After the show the levels were down to 8 so the safety clip did SOMETHING although I don't hear it. The recording had potential but imo is completely useless as the bass distorts all the way through. I don't think its the mics I just think the levels were too hot and the safety clip didn't do enough. I wish I checked my levels more but had no chance as security were 1 metre in front all night (I could have sworn he saw my mics several times lol).

What do you think of the sample? Can it be repaired to a certain degree? I know its impossible to get rid of distortion fully but if anything that COULD improve the sound even a little bit would be better than nothing.

Ah well, my first bad recording in nearly 2 years taping. Quite annoyed with myself but I guess these things happen (plus was my first time taping with my Iriver, previously used Hi MD).

Source: Sennhieser MKE40 (MM-HLSC) > SPSB-1 (No roll-off) > Iriver h120 (Rockboxed)

Heres the sample:-

http://www.mediafire.com/?arnngmjdifo


Thanks,
Simon.


Also posted in Computer/Software area.

[Arni99]

These mics seem to have overloaded easily... 

Explanation here:-

Recorded Rush last night. The sound was truly amazing (especially for an arena). I had levels on my h120 set to 12 on both channels and safety clip on (set at 1sec). After the show the levels were down to 8 so the safety clip did SOMETHING although I don't hear it. The recording had potential but imo is completely useless as the bass distorts all the way through. I don't think its the mics I just think the levels were too hot and the safety clip didn't do enough. I wish I checked my levels more but had no chance as security were 1 metre in front all night (I could have sworn he saw my mics several times lol).

What do you think of the sample? Can it be repaired to a certain degree? I know its impossible to get rid of distortion fully but if anything that COULD improve the sound even a little bit would be better than nothing.

Ah well, my first bad recording in nearly 2 years taping. Quite annoyed with myself but I guess these things happen (plus was my first time taping with my Iriver, previously used Hi MD).

Source: Sennhieser MKE40 (MM-HLSC) > SPSB-1 (No roll-off) > Iriver h120 (Rockboxed)

Heres the sample:-

http://www.mediafire.com/?arnngmjdifo


Thanks,
Simon.


Also posted in Computer/Software area.

your 9V battery was ok?
I had a similar experience and believe that the irivers input simply can´t handle the very hot-signal coming from the sennheisers at extremly loud shows. it´s like overloading the input with an external preamp although the levels are always far below 0dB.

[Liquid Drum]

What if I had Chris's 4.7k mod cable between the mics and the iriver?? Would that stop the input overloading??

[Belexes]

What if I had Chris's 4.7k mod cable between the mics and the iriver?? Would that stop the input overloading??

That may do the trick. Were you running line-in with the BB or mic-in?

[Liquid Drum]

What if I had Chris's 4.7k mod cable between the mics and the iriver?? Would that stop the input overloading??

That may do the trick. Were you running line-in with the BB or mic-in?

Always line-in. I'm actually very suprised (and annoyed) this has happened. Never in a million years did I think the HLSC would distort so easily (or the Iriver input, whatever was the culprit).

The 9v I used was brand new (Duracell M3). Could have been a duff, but I'd say its unlikely as the reason imo.

[fourdegreeswarmer]

I had a similar experience and believe that the irivers input simply can´t handle the very hot-signal coming from the sennheisers at extremly loud shows. it´s like overloading the input with an external preamp although the levels are always far below 0dB.

It's been my experience that the iRiver cannot handle even fairly reasonable amounts of low end and will distort quite readily. I was using omnis, which I thought probably made things worse. Sad to see it happened to you Simon 

[illconditioned]

I had a similar experience and believe that the irivers input simply can´t handle the very hot-signal coming from the sennheisers at extremly loud shows. it´s like overloading the input with an external preamp although the levels are always far below 0dB.

It's been my experience that the iRiver cannot handle even fairly reasonable amounts of low end and will distort quite readily. I was using omnis, which I thought probably made things worse. Sad to see it happened to you Simon 

Before you blame the iRiver (or any other recorder), get either 3-wire power or 4.7k mod on those mics.

I've overloaded the same mics (before I ran 3 wire).

  Richard

[Liquid Drum]

I had a similar experience and believe that the irivers input simply can´t handle the very hot-signal coming from the sennheisers at extremly loud shows. it´s like overloading the input with an external preamp although the levels are always far below 0dB.

It's been my experience that the iRiver cannot handle even fairly reasonable amounts of low end and will distort quite readily. I was using omnis, which I thought probably made things worse. Sad to see it happened to you Simon 

Before you blame the iRiver (or any other recorder), get either 3-wire power or 4.7k mod on those mics.

I've overloaded the same mics (before I ran 3 wire).

  Richard

So you reckon it was the mics then? Also, by getting the 4.7k cable, will it make the signal 'less-hot' before it goes into the Iriver??

Thanks,
Simon.

[illconditioned]

I had a similar experience and believe that the irivers input simply can´t handle the very hot-signal coming from the sennheisers at extremly loud shows. it´s like overloading the input with an external preamp although the levels are always far below 0dB.

It's been my experience that the iRiver cannot handle even fairly reasonable amounts of low end and will distort quite readily. I was using omnis, which I thought probably made things worse. Sad to see it happened to you Simon 

Before you blame the iRiver (or any other recorder), get either 3-wire power or 4.7k mod on those mics.

I've overloaded the same mics (before I ran 3 wire).

  Richard

So you reckon it was the mics then? Also, by getting the 4.7k cable, will it make the signal 'less-hot' before it goes into the Iriver??

Thanks,
Simon.

Yes, 4.7k mod will reduce the level (maybe 5-10dB or so).  But I really doubt the mics were too hot for a line level input.

By the way, you don't get a "4.7k cable".  You have to mod the mics.  Each mic has three wires (two conductors + shield).  You need to change the wiring at the miniplug.

I can't help you with this, but if you Email Chris Church, he can probably do it for you.  Or, you could buy a set of his mics (just the mics) and try them out.  Not too expensive for just the mics.

  Richard

[Liquid Drum]

I'm sure Chris has/can do the 4.7 mod in a wire, I might be wrong though.

Check this thread/post: http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,90301.msg1202422.html#msg1202422

I'm guessing its basically male end of mics > female end cable > male end (with mod) then into the recorder?? Did I say it right?

Thanks.

[Alchemy]

OK, I've tried the Senn MKE40 again.  Very nice sounding mic I think, better than AT853 certainly

Oh my! Blasphemy!