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Gear / Technical Help => Post-Processing, Computer / Streaming / Internet Devices & Related Activity => Topic started by: lsd2525 on October 21, 2013, 09:40:41 PM
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Never used anything other than Cool Edit 2000 and CDwav. Cool edit gone. Going to try Audacity (yeah last person on earth). But: is there any better freeware out there? Looking for compression, EQ and split on sector boundaries. Any suggestions? Or is this the way to go?
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Audacity is tough to beat. don't forget that there are plenty of free VST plugins that can make it more useful. Kjaerhus Audio made some really good free ones that work well with Audacity.
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Anything where I can change EQ and compression while the show is playing? Audiocity seems to play selections once you "treat" with whatever but is there anything you can use to make changes while you "dial it in"?
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Well, if you buy Reaper ($60), Reaper will allow you to hear your adjustments immediately while playing back the recording. It will also allow you to make A B comparisons where you can click back and forth between settings if you want to compare them. It has a steeper learning curve than Audacity, but is more flexible, IMO.
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Eh, can't be any steeper than Audiocity lol. No, Audiocity seems a lot like Cool Edit, although in cool edit it seems like you could preview the whole file with the settings rather than a 5 second snippet. I need to check that reaper thing out. It would be nice to fool around and see what works on a show over all rather than EQ a whole show based on the worst sounding song. Thanks!
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Anything where I can change EQ and compression while the show is playing?
No, and this is the entire reason I went to Reaper (which as 2manyrocks notes, does have a steep learning curve). The VST support is head and shoulders better.
I still use Audacity after rendering from Reaper because it will track on CD sector boundaries like a champ.
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You're welcome. Reaper has a free trial period and all the features work. Nothing is disabled in the trial period. It's pretty much an honor system of paying for the software if you decide to keep using it.
Having said this, Audacity is free, easy to use, and works well for many things. I have it and Reaper and would hate to be without either one.
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As another Mac option, Felt Tip's Sound Studio ($30) also lets you adjust settings on the fly. It's what I switched to after leaving Cool Edit.
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They are giving away Adobe Audition v3 the later version of cool edit
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There's been quite a bit of internet discussion about Adobe's rather curious progression of handling Adobe Audition 3 this year (2013). The current version of their website now says the download is available for "legitimately purchased" versions.
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There's been quite a bit of internet discussion about Adobe's rather curious progression of handling Adobe Audition 3 this year (2013). The current version of their website now says the download is available for "legitimately purchased" versions.
No they just bury it and make it hard to find. AA3 is part of the CS2 suite
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=cs2_downloads
You need to create a user name for log in and you might have to dig around a little on their site but it is there. And free that message has been there from day one. Just get your log in and follow steps.
You should end up here which will link you to the free downloads and serials:
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/creative-suite-2-activation-end-life.html?PID=5628473
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Anything where I can change EQ and compression while the show is playing?
No, and this is the entire reason I went to Reaper (which as 2manyrocks notes, does have a steep learning curve). The VST support is head and shoulders better.
I still use Audacity after rendering from Reaper because it will track on CD sector boundaries like a champ.
So Reaper doesn't cut on sector boundaries? That seems kind of weird.......Still love good 'ol CDWav......
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Anything where I can change EQ and compression while the show is playing?
No, and this is the entire reason I went to Reaper (which as 2manyrocks notes, does have a steep learning curve). The VST support is head and shoulders better.
I still use Audacity after rendering from Reaper because it will track on CD sector boundaries like a champ.
So Reaper doesn't cut on sector boundaries? That seems kind of weird.......Still love good 'ol CDWav......
Its just not that practical to perform song/track splits when in a multi-track format...
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pretty much. It might be possible, but it's next door to idiot proof in Audacity and I always check the render before tracking anyway so it's not necessarily an extra step in my workflow.
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http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/creative-suite-2-activation-end-life.html?PID=5628473
I'm not sure if it shows up in the link, but this is what the adobe site says if you click into the "download and install CS2 applications:"
You can use the serial numbers provided as a part of the download only if you legitimately purchased CS2, CS2 applications, Acrobat 7, or Audition 3.
Best I can tell from searching, the "legitimately purchased" part was added sometime later after folks started posting on the internet that Adobe was offering Audition 3 for free.
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http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/creative-suite-2-activation-end-life.html?PID=5628473
I'm not sure if it shows up in the link, but this is what the adobe site says if you click into the "download and install CS2 applications:"
You can use the serial numbers provided as a part of the download only if you legitimately purchased CS2, CS2 applications, Acrobat 7, or Audition 3.
Best I can tell from searching, the "legitimately purchased" part was added sometime later after folks started posting on the internet that Adobe was offering Audition 3 for free.
Follow the links, don't follow the links. Get the downloads don't get the downloads. Install it don't install it. These are all choices only you can make. And before you ask, no I don't use Audition 3. I bought Audition CS5.5 in order to be able to utilize bigger ram than V3 supported.
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I've read the guide on Audacity but have never been able to figure out how you divide the wav up into individual tracks.
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I've read the guide on Audacity but have never been able to figure out how you divide the wav up into individual tracks.
You're not the only one I've heard say that.
1) Turn dither off if you prep files elsewhere. If you do your (non-tracking) processing in Audacity then leave it on. It dithers regardless of whether or not you do anything if the setting is on.
2) Set the project rate to whatever the audio is (so it won't try and resample).
3) Set the time rate to hh:mm:ss (CDDA Frames)
4) Check the box for Snap To.
5) Now when you place your cursor somewhere, it will be on the frame boundaries. After selecting the spot for the next marker, press Apple+B (I don't know what the first button would be on a windows machine) and that will drop a new track marker.
6) After you track it out, do File > Export Multiple to break it up into individual tracks.
(yeah, I did just shamelessly steal that from a PM I sent in the past, but at least it gets the conversation started if people need help). :D
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I agree with the other posters audacity is very good, the other one is acoustica basic 6.0 is very good too it has hundreds of free vst plugins for it.
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My workflow has always been Audition for the meat and potatoes and then CDWave to do the splitting/flacing/etc. (with Voxengo's R8Brain for 48/24 > 44/16 dithering somewhere in between).
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So Audacity would be good for editing out some static? Have some in track 3 of Built to Spill from Milwaukee last Friday.
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I'll throw out my 2 cents on this. If there are only a few blip points of static, you could manually pull those points down in audacity. If you have a lot of static sitting on top of the music, there might be some improvements to be had via a filter and EQ, but it would be tough and the results maybe not worth the effort.
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So Audacity would be good for editing out some static? Have some in track 3 of Built to Spill from Milwaukee last Friday.
funny you should mention it, I just discovered an audacity plugin called REPAIR that zapped static lasting about a quarter of a second. It only wants to work on about 128 samples at a time, but I processed my little section in about a minute, just selecting with the mouse & clicking Control-R (Apple-R) to repeat effect, once I chose it from the menu the first time.
I should post a before & after for ya. Look for an edit to this post momentarily.
ok now I have posted about a 5 second sample, with the raw staticky version first, and the "Repair"ed version next.
Mp3 attached to the post, 24/48 sample at the dropbox link
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uaut3ytc54t6mb2/2qex6dTmTQ
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I've read the guide on Audacity but have never been able to figure out how you divide the wav up into individual tracks.
You're not the only one I've heard say that.
1) Turn dither off if you prep files elsewhere. If you do your (non-tracking) processing in Audacity then leave it on. It dithers regardless of whether or not you do anything if the setting is on.
2) Set the project rate to whatever the audio is (so it won't try and resample).
3) Set the time rate to hh:mm:ss (CDDA Frames)
4) Check the box for Snap To.
5) Now when you place your cursor somewhere, it will be on the frame boundaries. After selecting the spot for the next marker, press Apple+B (I don't know what the first button would be on a windows machine) and that will drop a new track marker.
6) After you track it out, do File > Export Multiple to break it up into individual tracks.
(yeah, I did just shamelessly steal that from a PM I sent in the past, but at least it gets the conversation started if people need help). :D
linux and windows = ctrl + b
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My workflow has always been Audition for the meat and potatoes and then CDWave to do the splitting/flacing/etc. (with Voxengo's R8Brain for 48/24 > 44/16 dithering somewhere in between).
audacity can do all that. i used to use cdwav and wavbreaker, but once i realized that i was opening 3 programs for no reason i stopped. i've never used audition, but it must have a marker/splitter that cuts on sector boundaries... no?
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My workflow has always been Audition for the meat and potatoes and then CDWave to do the splitting/flacing/etc. (with Voxengo's R8Brain for 48/24 > 44/16 dithering somewhere in between).
audacity can do all that. i used to use cdwav and wavbreaker, but once i realized that i was opening 3 programs for no reason i stopped. i've never used audition, but it must have a marker/splitter that cuts on sector boundaries... no?
If Audacity had CD Wave's simple titling, it would be perfect for me. I guess I can't live without scroll-wheel positioning, either....
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My workflow has always been Audition for the meat and potatoes and then CDWave to do the splitting/flacing/etc. (with Voxengo's R8Brain for 48/24 > 44/16 dithering somewhere in between).
audacity can do all that. i used to use cdwav and wavbreaker, but once i realized that i was opening 3 programs for no reason i stopped. i've never used audition, but it must have a marker/splitter that cuts on sector boundaries... no?
If Audacity had CD Wave's simple titling, it would be perfect for me. I guess I can't live without scroll-wheel positioning, either....
i think audacity does the same thing as "titling" on the way out via export, file by file. i used to think that i could not live without the scroll > find point also, but i got used to searching via the (visual) waveform and clicking in short order.
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audacity can do all that. i used to use cdwav and wavbreaker, but once i realized that i was opening 3 programs for no reason i stopped. i've never used audition, but it must have a marker/splitter that cuts on sector boundaries... no?
Yes. Audition has a nice tracking function (and that's where I do my tracking). You set the points in the main editing window then pull up a cue list to merge/split. It marks on boundaries if you set the default that way. I don't do that since I want my track splits on zero crossings (I often do further editing at the track level and may keep tracks as 24bit). I always want my track marks as close to a zero crossing as possible since the tracks will click at the start if they come in too far off 0 dB). I sector align the marks with a TLH fix if I run 16 bit CD sets out.
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So Audacity would be good for editing out some static? Have some in track 3 of Built to Spill from Milwaukee last Friday.
funny you should mention it, I just discovered an audacity plugin called REPAIR that zapped static lasting about a quarter of a second. It only wants to work on about 128 samples at a time, but I processed my little section in about a minute, just selecting with the mouse & clicking Control-R (Apple-R) to repeat effect, once I chose it from the menu the first time.
I should post a before & after for ya. Look for an edit to this post momentarily.
ok now I have posted about a 5 second sample, with the raw staticky version first, and the "Repair"ed version next.
Mp3 attached to the post, 24/48 sample at the dropbox link
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uaut3ytc54t6mb2/2qex6dTmTQ
Thanks. Just saw this response. I already manually edited it out and seeded it. It was barely noticeable. Will do this next time.
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audacity can do all that. i used to use cdwav and wavbreaker, but once i realized that i was opening 3 programs for no reason i stopped. i've never used audition, but it must have a marker/splitter that cuts on sector boundaries... no?
Yes. Audition has a nice tracking function (and that's where I do my tracking). You set the points in the main editing window then pull up a cue list to merge/split. It marks on boundaries if you set the default that way. I don't do that since I want my track splits on zero crossings (I often do further editing at the track level and may keep tracks as 24bit). I always want my track marks as close to a zero crossing as possible since the tracks will click at the start if they come in too far off 0 dB). I sector align the marks with a TLH fix if I run 16 bit CD sets out.
Same. I find this extremely easy. I prefer it to re-tagging the FLACs via separate process.
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I have a naming question for you guys...
I recently got the latest version of Audacity or Mac
When I multi export can I get the track names to...
A - start with 01 instead of 00
B - not have it be "-00", "-01"
My old version didn't do the 00 or the - but I can figure it out in the latest
TIA