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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: microburst on March 19, 2013, 07:26:53 AM
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I'm going to be in the market for a new kangol hat for >:D.
Though I'm not getting younger and have less patience for this type of recording, there are times when I still need to make it happen. I don't like the look of my current hat or the material. What is the most porous, lightest material used in kangol hats that has the least adverse impact on the dynamic range? I'm probably going to hit the kangol store on 196 Columbus Avenue today after I stop in at B&H so any quick replies would be very helpful.
Thanks.
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I don't know what they call the material, but zoom in on this link. Thats the stuff you want.
http://www.shoebuy.com/kangol-tropic-504-ventair/256228/546089?cm_mmc=googleproductads_pla-_-none-_-none-_-%7Bkeyword%7D
You really can't tell from photo's but it's really light and airy and that band that's a different texture from the rest of the hat is even more porous than the rest of the material, although I think the rest of the material would be fine if the whole hat was made of it.
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^^^ lol - This is enough - the ventair looks like the way to go. Thanks guys
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my new Kangol baseball cap is also a Ventair material and is acoustically transparent by my testing
Dave
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Got the black ventair for 45 bux at the kangol store on columbus ave between 68 and 69 in nyc. That's probably an inflated nyc price but these things are hard to find and I got to try on a bunch to make sure I liked the fit. I couldn't find a single reseller on long island that carried the ventair.
Also got an audioengine d1 at b&h. Resisted many other urges to splurge...love that place and their candy.
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I have a black vent air that I need to mod in case I EVER steal$h anything EVER again!!!
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If Kangol is just not you.... try this. You can see through it when holding it up. Perfect for me.
http://www.ottocap.com/style.php?style_id=94-522
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The 504 does the job... I felt and looked like a complete dick wearing it. Was horrified when the theatre doors weren't open on time and everyone was milling around in the foyer. At least I got a good pull, that was the only consolation ;)
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Kangol is birth control. Ain't no one got game with that on. :o
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Kangol is birth control. Ain't no one got game with that on. :o
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Very true...unless your Samuel L. Jackson. They are pretty douchy looking folks. :facepalm:
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Very true...unless your Samuel L. Jackson. They are pretty douchy looking folks. :facepalm:
Oh, like it isn't douchy to carry gear out to a show and stand under a pole with your hands in your pockets for three hours? ;)
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Very true...unless your Samuel L. Jackson. They are pretty douchy looking folks. :facepalm:
Oh, like it isn't douchy to carry gear out to a show and stand under a pole with your hands in your pockets for three hours? ;)
Well Played Sir!
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Very true...unless your Samuel L. Jackson. They are pretty douchy looking folks. :facepalm:
Oh, like it isn't douchy to carry gear out to a show and stand under a pole with your hands in your pockets for three hours? ;)
Well Played Sir!
What Cheese just said...
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I've also used the Ventair in the past..
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The 504 does the job... I felt and looked like a complete dick wearing it. Was horrified when the theatre doors weren't open on time and everyone was milling around in the foyer. At least I got a good pull, that was the only consolation ;)
yeah, the 504 does look very weird.
i prefer the tropic 507 (http://www.kangolstore.com/product.aspx?id=217223) or the stripe 507 (http://www.kangolstore.com/p/281336/Polo-Stripe-507.aspx).
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It's all personal preference. But as long as everyone else is stating fashion opinions, I thought those that you link to would look stranger on me than the 504....especially the one with the skunk stripe. ;)
I don't >:D much but when I do I turn the 504 backwards. It has a little more space in the right spots that way.
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the Kangol stripe is my favorite in terms of fit and comfort. ;D
plus, the stripe has special powers... :o
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plus, the stripe has special powers... :o
Put an 88 on the side on that hat and people will think you're Dale Jr.
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Kangol is birth control. Ain't no one got game with that on. :o
I use a a mesh truckers baseball cap. Something like this. http://baseball.epicsports.com/prod/56593/pacific-headwear-104c-trucker-mesh-baseball-caps.html
I have a few. Met the woman I am dating at a show wearing it. She likes the results and that has game. ;D
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Just picked up a Tropic 507. Quickly tossed in the CK930's into and it is COMFY! I was wearing it forward with the caps on the left and right side of the bill. Not sure how that will effect the sound since I'm pretty much running cards A/B.
I've been running my MCE400's in a trucker cap for years and it can get a little uncomfortable during a long show. I've been happy with the results of the recordings though. I think running them in the Kangol will be a piece of cake, and I might like the sound better than cards. I prefer not to stand like a complete statue during shows.
Also run the B3's on my glasses, but out of 3 shows running those I've yet to make a good recording. I just don't like how much of the room those mics pick up.
Any suggestions on how to best mount the CK930's in the Kangol?If it is possible to mount them close to DIN and still keep things comfy and normal looking that would be great. Please PM since I'd prefer not to share photos in public.
Going to try to run some experimental recordings during the opening band for DBT this weekend (unless it's someone I really like).
I was also happy that I don't look like as much of a tool as I thought I would in a Kangol. I think I actually look pretty sharp. :P 8) ;D
EDIT: Upon further testing I like my MCE400's in the significantly better. Just so light and comfy. Maybe I'll find a better way t mount the Beyer's, but I think I'd prefer to run omni's under most situations. Did a quick test recording with the computer speakers (Audio Engine A2's) and even though they sound different I don't have a preference on either set of mics. Both sounds pretty good in the hat.
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Interesting. I just ordered (but not yet received) the tropic 504 ventair, and also have the same mics as you, so I would like to know what the (practical) differences are between the 2 hats? I think both will make one look like a tool, and I am fully expecting to excel in that department (my long-suffering wife will testify).... one thing I notice is that the tropic 504 seems to have a band of extra porous material around the rim, but I don't see that in the 507, not to say it's not there of course....
If anybody has some practical suggestions then I would also love to receive pm's with advice/pics etc
Thanks
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Well I received my 504 today. I can confirm I look like a total dick wearing it - but wow this hat seems to be made for tapers.
I really like the mesh fabric and I have heard some good pulls wearing one, but does anybody know if there are any "scientific" data on how acoustically transparent these hats really are?
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Kangol is birth control. Ain't no one got game with that on. :o
:yack:
FWIW, I scored a black straw driving cap that looks like this:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41NaPsk18mL._SX342_.jpg)
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/country-gentleman-cuffly-driving-cap-straw-ivy-for-men~p~5617d/
When in doubt, speak confidently with an accent and, some but not all, chicks will dig it. 8)
Also looks pretty acoustically transparent:
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/kakadu-australia-townsville-packable-hat-upf-50-plus--ventilating-mesh-for-men-and-women~p~2655t/
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Does the Kangol make me look like a douche? Yes, definitely.
Do I ever give a shit what I looked like at the time I got my Schoeps in the sweet spot and pulled the heat? No, never.
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^^^ this!
:coolguy:
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^^^ this!
:coolguy:
I dunno... is wearing a Kangol to pull a show with ANY mics better than clipping the mics to the outside of a cap? I'd say YES to that as well.
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Yep, that's what I was commenting on. I don't run Schoeps anyway, so there's that. :) Ultimately I could care less what I look like when the lights go down and the band hits the stage.
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Yep, that's what I was commenting on. I don't run Schoeps anyway, so there's that. :) Ultimately I could care less what I look like when the lights go down and the band hits the stage.
Exactly... I was trying to agree with you. Bottom line is that any mics clipped to the body that can be seen look stupid (especially if you're outdoors with rats on). I don't run Schoeps actives but will likely be going the AKG route so it'll still look better than taping the mics/couplings to my jacket. :o
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Sorry - post deleted.
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Jesus Christ - where is Hasselhoff when you need him. :angry3:
Roman79 will you post on the internet the best way to cheat on your taxes too? Please include pictures of your 1040 with the details circled in red.
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Yes, please more tips on exactly what to look for when searching for tapers at concerts.
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I didn't intend on opening a can of worms by creating this thread - was simply looking for a descriptor. I'll shoulder some blame for strating the thread but the rest goes on those that posted the detail. :facepalm:
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Jesus Christ - where is Hasselhoff when you need him. :angry3:
Roman79 will you post on the internet the best way to cheat on your taxes too? Please include pictures of your 1040 with the details circled in red.
Yes, please more tips on exactly what to look for when searching for tapers at concerts.
Admittedly, I chuckled a little. However, politely informing roman79 about keeping 007 techniques on the down-low probably would have yielded the same results. Just sayin'...
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First run with the Kangol tonight. VERY VERY HAPPY. Much easier (and comfortable) than my old trucker ball cap, and most importantly I think the ability to place the mics in a better place = better sound.
Going for another round on Tuesday night.
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Sorry to hear some of you are too sexy for your hat. I like how mine look (just a douche at heart)
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I'm getting one of these to use for my new Zombie Payne Stewart Halloween costume...