Topic: omni mics, NOS? (outdoor fest)

[Jhurlbs81]

Hey All-

I'm taping a main stage festival this weekend and am curious about running omni mics up front.  I'm not about to try a split down front and don't have a disc- what about running omnis in a NOS pattern?  Or maybe even a little wider and a few more cm apart..?   I can pretty much pick my spot on the field- cards or omnis folks?  Help me decide.

Thanks! 

Edit: meant to put this in set up..sorry brian

[audBall]

I've ran omnis NOS at the stage lip with fantastic results.  I see no reason this would not work provided you're in the 'impact zone' and the people around you are moderately respectable. 

[Jhurlbs81]

stacks are probably spread 40-60'.  I'll probably be 25-30' from the stage.

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stacks are probably spread 40-60'.  I'll probably be 25-30' from the stage.

Isn't that a little close (unless the stacks are toed inward)?

40-50' is what I'd be expecting to put you at the meat of the sound.

[Craig T]

Here's a recording using NOS omnis:

http://www.archive.org/details/ymsb2009-10-17.ca14o.st9100.flac24

[Gil]

I've had great reults running omnis NOS, inside and out.

[Jhurlbs81]

stacks are probably spread 40-60'.  I'll probably be 25-30' from the stage.

Isn't that a little close (unless the stacks are toed inward)?

40-50' is what I'd be expecting to put you at the meat of the sound.

you're right.  equal triangle for sure. 

Here's a recording using NOS omnis:

http://www.archive.org/details/ymsb2009-10-17.ca14o.st9100.flac24

thanks Craig!

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stacks are probably spread 40-60'.  I'll probably be 25-30' from the stage.

Isn't that a little close (unless the stacks are toed inward)?

40-50' is what I'd be expecting to put you at the meat of the sound.

you're right.  equal triangle for sure. 

no worries. I've been to fests before where the main stage had a speaker spread that might have been more then 65' but we could run at around 40' back because they had toed in the speakers by about 15*. Didn't know if this was one of those occasions.

[ashevillain]

Healy method is also an option to consider.

[scb]

Hey All-

I'm taping a main stage festival this weekend and am curious about running omni mics up front.  I'm not about to try a split down front and don't have a disc- what about running omnis in a NOS pattern?  Or maybe even a little wider and a few more cm apart..?   I can pretty much pick my spot on the field- cards or omnis folks?  Help me decide.

Thanks! 

Edit: meant to put this in set up..sorry brian

subcards!

omnis NOS should be nice

[Gutbucket]

(unless the stacks are toed inward)?

Or if they are running fills across the front of the stage, which can allow you to get much closer as long as they are high enough not to be blocked by the crowd in front of you.  I've made some nice front row omni recordings when that's an option, which would otherwise be mud city if the fills weren't there.

[edit- this is more of a 'very close' option.  The fills may not be strong enough to do their reinforcement job 25' - 30' back]

[yug du nord]

Healy method is also an option to consider.

[ghellquist]

Please, for the convenience of people like me that can get confused by non-strict use of names on techniques.

NOS - always uses directional mics, cardioids.

When you use a spaced pair of omnis the resulting setup can be called AB. Regardless of distance between the mics, from a few inches up to several yards.

And you can definitely use omni mics to get a good recording. If they are "true pressure omnis" (not any of the switchable types) you will have additional advantages outside as they are less effected by wind noise and mechanical noises than directional microphones. It is still a good idea to use a good windscreen though.

// Gunnar

[audBall]

True, but AB generally dictates an 0deg axis setup for each microphone, rather than adding some angle, so it goes both ways.  I think it's generally understood that settings like NOS/ORTF/DINa/etc have formal settings, but we bend the rules here on purpose.    

I think it's just an easier way to describe the angle/width of the setup as opposed to writing everything out individually (90deg, 30cm, etc).  If we, as tapers, operated under the strict recording guidelines originally created, we'd never be so crazy as to take these condensers out in the rain.......or in the middle of Wooktropolis.

[beeco]

"Wooktropolis"

That's cracking my head off