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Title: Smallest A/D?
Post by: Crimson on May 03, 2004, 09:28:03 AM
Crimmycrimcrim is looking for a tiny-ass A/D converter to stealth, 1/8 in and optical out.

suggestions?
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: nic on May 03, 2004, 09:43:49 AM
SBM-1 is about the smallest you can find.
RCA inputs for line-ins...you would have to get a 7-pin>optical for your optical out though.
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Brian Skalinder on May 03, 2004, 10:11:52 AM
I assume you want optical out to go to an MD or NJB3?  Two options, really:

Denecke AD-20
Requires either hacking your mic cables or using appropriate adapters to convert 1/8" to XLR inputs.  Sound Pros (http://www.soundprofessionals.com) sells an AD-20 with 1/8" input (http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=570&item=DEN-AD20-MINI&type=store), but it's not cheap.

Sony SBM-1
Modded or stock.  Requires hacked mic cables or adapters to feed 1/4" mic inputs or RCA line inputs.  Also requires a 7-pin / optical output cable.
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Rick on May 03, 2004, 03:25:34 PM
Sony SBM-1
Requires hacked mic cables or adapters to feed 1/4" mic inputs or RCA line inputs.  

There's a 1/8 mic in too.
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: nic on May 03, 2004, 04:09:44 PM
Sony SBM-1
Requires hacked mic cables or adapters to feed 1/4" mic inputs or RCA line inputs.  

There's a 1/8 mic in too.
the mic in is 2x 1/4"
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: nickgregory on May 03, 2004, 04:20:36 PM

the mic in is 2x 1/4"

keep in mind these inputs are disabled if the line mod is done.
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Chris K on May 03, 2004, 04:31:54 PM
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keep in mind these inputs are disabled if the line mod is done.
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unless you get both mods from the oade's...also the todd modd sbm-1 that i have somehow does not have the mic inputs disabled.  ;D
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Todd R on May 03, 2004, 04:39:47 PM

unless you get both mods from the oade's...also the todd modd sbm-1 that i have somehow does not have the mic inputs disabled.  ;D

The mod itself does not require that the mic-pre side be disabled.  Doug typically disables the mic-pre input side because the op amps he substitutes draw too much current, overloading the power supply of the SBM1.   So he needs to save on power by removing the chips on the mic-pre side (with the assumption that most of us don't use the mic-pre anyway), reducing overall current draw.  I don't know, but I guess he must do something to beef up the internal power supply when you get both mods.

The parts I use for the mod actually use less power than the stock parts, so I don't need to disable the mic input.  So I leave the mic-pre side intact.  On the few units I've modded, I generally leave the mic side alone.  For the one unit I did for myself, I also changed out the op amps in the mic side, so that unit is mod'd for both mic input and line input.
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Sean Gallemore on May 03, 2004, 05:32:26 PM
your MD is a tiny ass a/d :P
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Simp-Dawg on May 04, 2004, 10:02:41 PM
no 1/8" in but it has rca in's and an optical out, is small, and super cheap...dunno about quality though.
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=570&item=SP-AD2000&type=store (http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=570&item=SP-AD2000&type=store)
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: John Kelly on May 04, 2004, 11:11:00 PM
Hmm....looks interesting.  Wonder how it sounds.
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: mattb on May 06, 2004, 04:34:15 PM
I've wondered the same. Somebody get it and let us know!
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Brian Skalinder on May 06, 2004, 04:37:36 PM
Somebody get it and let us know!

Thanks for volunteering!  When can we expect the BT seed so we can provide feedback?
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: mattb on May 06, 2004, 04:38:37 PM
Sometime in the next few years if I can get to it...
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: John Kelly on May 06, 2004, 06:23:31 PM

Does anyone here have any information on the parts used in the Denecke AD-20
and if there is room inside for a few more ...

Pictures of the inside would be very much apprecitated .. :-)

Thanx
Jon

There's a TON of room inside the AD-20 box.  I don't have it anymore so I can't take pictures, but I'm sure someone here could hook you up.
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: AT853rxwh on May 06, 2004, 08:13:32 PM
Well if it is here tomorrow...  ;D
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Crimson on May 07, 2004, 08:40:01 AM
Hmm....looks interesting.  Wonder how it sounds.

From SP:

ITEM: SP-AD2000
URL:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?item=SP-AD2000&category=570&type=store

Q: Is there any more info available on this other than what is in the
overview?


A: All of the specs the manufacturer has given us are on the page,
unfortunately. It can be used for field recording, with a battery for power.
I would not consider it an upgrade from the A/D built into the MD, so there
really would be no reason to do this(use in field recording).



bleh!
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Simp-Dawg on May 16, 2004, 05:18:37 PM
i don't have a digicam anymore so i can't take pics of mine (ad20 that is)...maybe i can borrow one and post some pics of the innards
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: BobW on May 16, 2004, 11:43:28 PM
Has anyone done a critique of the CoreSound mini-pre/A/D ? (http://www.core-sound.com/Mic2496.html)

I like the PDAudio flashcard interface, but haven't tried the A/D-Pre.
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: chris on May 24, 2004, 10:35:43 AM
Not sure this is way off track, however, i've posted a thread over at Oade on a contact of mine that's very interested in building a new a/d (w/phantom) similar to that in size of the sbm-1 mod.  Here's the link:
http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/Forum/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=100&topic_id=1442&mesg_id=1442&page=

Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Mobius on June 03, 2004, 04:28:15 AM
So..how viable would it be to make your own A/D...of a similar size to the SP model on the first page. I'm a hardware cretin, though I did manage to make a Theremin a few years back, so its not out of the question that I could pull it off.

However, this is 1) probably far more intricate and 2) with the components needing to be of a high quality (though I am only after something better than the a/d in a very very old sony md) It could be more expensive than is worth it.

So I guess im asking -

How tricky would it be?
How costly would it be? (i'd be after a 1/8" in optical out too)
Anyone know where one might acquire schematics for something along these lines? (i did a bit of lookin but it was all 8bit...low quality etc)

Cheers
Nick
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: zhianosatch on June 03, 2004, 06:51:54 AM
SBM
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Sean Gallemore on June 03, 2004, 07:16:36 AM
I'll super bit-map you
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: zhianosatch on June 03, 2004, 07:23:12 AM
that's what she said
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Mobius on June 03, 2004, 02:06:52 PM
how wonderfully post-modern of you guys

thanks for sharing


clubs that play the strokes are terrible, let's continue this convo when im sober and you dont have heavy metal avatars
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Sean Gallemore on June 03, 2004, 02:15:32 PM
how wonderfully post-modern of you guys

thanks for sharing


clubs that play the strokes are terrible, let's continue this convo when im sober and you dont have heavy metal avatars

[1] the strokes are awful
[2] Ministry is Industrial Metal
[3] Arch Enemy is Melodic Death Metal
[4] I tried looking up a/d diagrams last night to be productive in this thread and I couldn't find shit
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Mobius on June 03, 2004, 02:29:57 PM
I'm so happy you made an entertaining reply to that....I'm smiling once again

:D   <<somewhat  like this happy character

and in reply, i was sure that was Dez or whatshisname from Coal Chamber in yer lil pic there.

But all the same, tape Dillinger Escape Plan, theyre the only good thing in metal ive heard since King Crimson - 'Red'.....

And cool, perhaps one of the other loverly individuals here could help with my haphazard inquiry
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Crimson on June 04, 2004, 07:06:11 PM
Mobi's the shit
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: zhianosatch on June 04, 2004, 09:46:49 PM
since when is king crimson metal?!
dillinger escape plan, huh... haha. ahhh, come to california. we'll show you the way of excellent medium- to hard-core metal, all genres. ;)
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Mobius on June 05, 2004, 01:38:08 AM
Been there, done that - California is so NU it may as well rename itself Kornifornia ;) - san diego was the shit though.

And first wave crimson (69-74) is heavier than any band with double kick and a harmonizer pedal :D

Come to Australia, we'll teach you about beer-rock \m/

oh...and keith is the shit

....but he has a weak stomoch
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Sean Gallemore on June 05, 2004, 06:05:03 AM

And first wave crimson (69-74) is heavier than any band with double kick and a harmonizer pedal :D


wtf  ???
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Mobius on June 05, 2004, 03:02:47 PM

And first wave crimson (69-74) is heavier than any band with double kick and a harmonizer pedal :D


wtf  ???

WTF OMG LMFAO LOL!1!1!@@ ok Lnk plz K thnx!1!1
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Crimson on June 05, 2004, 03:27:11 PM

oh...and keith is the shit

....but he has a weak stomoch

Bitch, don't start! ;)  Let it be known for the record that after 12 hours of beer drinking, this aussie upstart named Mobius passed out repeatedly in the wee hours of the morning (finally collapsing on a keyboard amidst Toolarmy chatroom ramblings I believe), while Crimson stood triumphant in the kitchen refilling his glass of brew and wondering aloud "what happened to Nick?"

:) the end :)
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Mobius on June 05, 2004, 03:39:14 PM
And Yae, light was braught unto the morning, and whenst gabe tried to do something to the sleeping mobius, he awoke, and Lo, he found on his arisal, to find crimson - bellogwing for an alka-seltza, for woe, crimmy had a woo woo in his tummy wumm, and no bagels could make it better.

I am the Way and the Light and the Awesomenessmad that flows through thee

Amen, Crimsy is oh so sexy, but  still cant handle his liqour - but while we're at it:

(http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mobius/pics/mobi_passout.jpg)


hey, what about my idea about the home made a/d goddamnit!

Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: zhianosatch on June 05, 2004, 05:13:43 PM
Been there, done that - California is so NU it may as well rename itself Kornifornia ;) - san diego was the shit though.

gaaaaaaah fuck that "nu" whatever-the-fuck excuse for music, i mean real music, m-love!

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And first wave crimson (69-74) is heavier than any band with double kick and a harmonizer pedal :D

haha
i love it, but it ain't metal! schwilly can show you the ridiculous classification system ;)
Title: Re:Smallest A/D?
Post by: Sean Gallemore on June 05, 2004, 06:28:03 PM
ok, i might posissibly ponder the consideration of thinking about kinda sorta maybe calling it progressive metal, but even other prog metal bands (which in my mind isn't a true genre but rather an elite way to define a metal band that has talent) like dream theater aren't really that metalish.