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Title: Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: Kindguy on December 11, 2003, 06:20:10 PM
Will this do the trick?

http://www.hosatech.com/y_cables_index.html

Scroll down to YXM-121 second from the bottom.

Any advice would be great. I'm trying to split the signal to run some pre comps.

I have way too much gear to play with right now.

AD2K....On loan
V3.....On loan from Bush
Warm UA-5...mine

ADK TL's ....mine & Lee's
480's ....mine

I'm like a crack fiend in Nino Browns factory ;)

Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: sexymexi on December 11, 2003, 06:27:07 PM
i would say yes..  if your into making cables, those are easily made..  if i had the connectors i could make them. and use whatever linage for it u wanted.  i'd have to get the cable and the xlr connectors, but if your up to it. go make it, not hard. or buy it, that might be easier.  but i'd say it will work like a charm.  the only plus of making what you need is that you can make the size you want, like i'm guessing your splitting your mics to run separate mixes from seperate pre's > separate decks. that would be cool, i don't know how well it would work, but its definitly worth a try. good luck +T

matt
Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: leegeddy on December 11, 2003, 06:38:48 PM
i just bought some connectors & cables yesterday from Pacific Radio Elec. here in Burbank, CA.

Neutrik NEU-NC3MX  XLRM $1.55
Neutrik NEU-NC3FX-B  XLRF $2.40

Canare Quad $0.44/ft

you could make a Y cable for $2.40 + $1.55x2 + $.44 = $6. i doubt if the Hosa would be that cheap or use better quality materials.  if you substitute the NEU-NC3FX-B for the non-B (black), it would be even cheaper.

marc
Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: Kindguy on December 11, 2003, 06:40:12 PM
My local music store has them on closeout for 8 bucks each. They say reg 20 bucks.

He said they may change the quality some when splitting the signal with it. He also doesn't seem to know much about what he's talking about to me.

So I thought I'd come to the holy grail of taping & ask ;)

T+ back at ya Meximo & thanks for the offer to make em for me.
Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: chuckcage on December 11, 2003, 06:52:37 PM
Just a thought, but if these aren't transformer isolated from each other, won't a direct split essentially put both volume controls in the same circuit, thus affecting each other?

Chuck
Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: Kindguy on December 11, 2003, 07:00:22 PM
Just a thought, but if these aren't transformer isolated from each other, won't a direct split essentially put both volume controls in the same circuit, thus affecting each other?

Chuck

I have no idea?

What about phantom power? Would I want to run a seperate phantom power & leave the V3 & UA-5 phantom off.

Or could I just run phantom power on one unit?

These are the combos i could run.

480>split V3>D8 or JB3
              \ warm UA-5 lappy or JB3

Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: Kindguy on December 11, 2003, 07:03:02 PM
The ADK TL's would be switched out durring the mid break.

I'm trying to run this at the Xmas jam next weekend.
Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: chuckcage on December 11, 2003, 07:03:20 PM
Phantom power sounds a little scary.  Didn't Brian Skalinder split for his V3 vs. UA-5 test?  Sounds like he'd know the score with a field test 'ta boot!

Chuck
Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: Brian Skalinder on December 11, 2003, 07:10:17 PM
Response to a previous question asking why I was running Mics > PS-2 > split to V3/UA5:

"Running the PS-2 based on this Oade Bros forum thread (http://www.oade.com/cgi-bin/miva?Forum/technology/viewthread.mv+thread=14966&message=15001).  FWIW, I didn't notice any level changes in one machine when I adjusted the other (though I didn't have to make massive adjustments)."
Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: Kindguy on December 11, 2003, 07:11:38 PM
Thanks brian!
Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: Kindguy on December 11, 2003, 07:18:05 PM
I may just run the TL's>V3 first half & TL's>Warm UA-5 for the second. This would solve my probable battery problems as well.

I just wanted to test the 480's with the V3 before NYE.


T+ everyone. I do have robert randolph before NYE to run 480>V3. (assuming bush isn;t coming down for it)
Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: MattD on December 11, 2003, 07:18:33 PM
Phantom can be in a separate unit, one of the preamps or both of them. The preamps are essentially in parallel on a splitter, so you won't increase the voltage by having phantom on in both.

Without a separate PP unit, level changes on one unit WILL affect the levels on the other. Scott and I saw this splitting his 4022s to a V3 and ULN-2 this past summer. It's best to set during an opener or guesstimate on house music and leave the knobs there rather than try to fiddle too much during the show.
Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: plucks on December 15, 2003, 04:59:25 PM
As MattD said, it can be done.
Tim and I have done plenty of signal splitting from the U89s into a MMe/V3 with no problems whatsoever.  We both had phantom power on, and didn't notice any additional noise or other problems associated with this.

As for building the cable, it looks like it can be done with not too much of a hassle.

Have fun!

Phil
Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: Lee on December 15, 2003, 06:47:27 PM
You need XLR-F>2x XLR-M, right?  I might have the parts lying around if you want me to build them.  Let me know, I'm leaving early Wednesday and won't be back until Sunday night.

If you "daryan" my ADK I'm taking it out in blood, though!
Title: Re:Splitting mic signal to 2 pre/AD's?
Post by: bush on December 16, 2003, 11:20:53 AM
I just wanted to test the 480's with the V3 before NYE.

T+ everyone. I do have robert randolph before NYE to run 480>V3. (assuming bush isn;t coming down for it)

Jeff...its yours till after new years, I assume that you're running the V3 at new years also...your welcome to it :bigsmile:

I'm partying hard this year...no taping :P


It seems like you should be able to find a ps-2 between now and then to provide the phantom...bueller, bueller, bueller ???