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Title: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: tomy01 on June 12, 2021, 09:35:57 AM
With the concert industry finally opening up, at east in the U.S., I have noticed that a lot of venues are now prohibiting ALL bags, including the clear NFL bags for stadiums.  Below is the bag policy for Raymond James stadium in Tampa Florida:

"A NO BAG POLICY IS IN EFFECT FOR ALL EVENTS AT RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM. GUESTS ARE ONLY PERMITTED TO BRING IN ONE CLUTCH PURSE NO LARGER THAN 4.5” BY 6.5”.

With this in mind has anyone had any success with taking the Sony PCM-M10 through a metal detector?
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: nulldogmas on June 12, 2021, 04:17:45 PM
You could totally fit an M10 in a clutch purse.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on June 12, 2021, 07:05:09 PM
"it's my MP3 player, sir."
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: jb63 on June 13, 2021, 11:39:41 AM
I have yet to NOT set off a metal detector, except for the one time took in way too much gear and it just didn't do anything.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: tomy01 on June 15, 2021, 08:30:32 AM
Has anyone had any experience with the PCM-M10 - if it DID set off the detector or it DID NOT?  Back in the day I would just stuff the "clear" NFL bag with clothing; hats; keys and the PCM-M10 etc. and the attendant would do a minor look into the gag, which was not put through the defector, and hand me back the bag after I went through.  Now I would have to put the PCM-10 on my person - hence the question?
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: beatkilla on June 15, 2021, 09:42:14 AM
The batteries will set it off.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: Gutbucket on June 15, 2021, 09:48:31 AM
Will lithium AA's?
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: morst on June 15, 2021, 03:47:59 PM
Tell them you have large metal objects as genital piercings and ask if you need to show them?
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: firemt66 on June 15, 2021, 08:32:14 PM
Only stop at the door i had and been using the m-10 for 6 years was in philly oct 2019 for the eric church show.he just wanded me and just letted me thru.i was using church mics and not my sony ecm 719..maybe rhats why it went off more than usual.personally  its proberly more "heavy solid metals" that sets it off at a level to be checked
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: tapeheadtoo on June 15, 2021, 08:54:25 PM
Who cares if the detector goes off?  Just give an excuse.  You can do it.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: Gutbucket on June 16, 2021, 09:13:48 AM
The batteries will set it off.
Will lithium AA's?

This is a question I've wondered about for years.. just not enough to make the effort to test myself.
Anyone know?
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: morst on June 16, 2021, 03:02:32 PM
The batteries will set it off.
Will lithium AA's?

This is a question I've wondered about for years.. just not enough to make the effort to test myself.
Anyone know?
Are AA batteries not permitted at events? Why do they have to be inside the recorder when you walk in?
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: Gutbucket on June 16, 2021, 06:09:43 PM
They don't of course.  I've just wondered about it for years! 

Just another good-to-know data-point for achieving confidence, whatever the strategy might be.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: Gutbucket on June 16, 2021, 06:12:45 PM
Here's a reason- Some recorders may not retain settings, or at least accurate time/date setting for long without batteries installed.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: nulldogmas on June 16, 2021, 10:22:33 PM
Now I'm curious about whether an A10 will set off a metal detector. I guess I may find out soon.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: yug du nord on June 16, 2021, 11:00:13 PM
It’s the metal casing of the batteries that set it off I think.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: Falconidave on June 17, 2021, 06:09:32 PM
I found it best practice to hide in plain sight. And so far my plastic A10 has never set off a detector...
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: one8ung on June 18, 2021, 01:34:38 PM
Also wondering if metal casing of the batteries will set of the detector?
The metal on a recorder, mics or receiver are from cast iron and there isn't more on it than my belt!
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: fobstl on June 21, 2021, 06:21:44 PM
Tell them you have large metal objects as genital piercings and ask if you need to show them?
M10 set off the wand last time I tried with it, used the above to get in.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: fobstl on June 21, 2021, 06:23:43 PM
Now I'm curious about whether an A10 will set off a metal detector. I guess I may find out soon.
In my one attempt with an A10 - no. Walk through.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: morst on June 21, 2021, 07:06:03 PM
Tell them you have large metal objects as genital piercings and ask if you need to show them?
M10 set off the wand last time I tried with it, used the above to get in.
the fact that it tends to work is secondary to the fact that it's hilarious!
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: ol' dirty taper on June 23, 2021, 01:38:03 PM
Now I'm curious about whether an A10 will set off a metal detector. I guess I may find out soon.
In my one attempt with an A10 - no. Walk through.

I second that, at my local venue I pass the wand test every time
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: TAKRL on July 11, 2021, 01:03:55 AM
With the concert industry finally opening up, at east in the U.S., I have noticed that a lot of venues are now prohibiting ALL bags, including the clear NFL bags for stadiums.  Below is the bag policy for Raymond James stadium in Tampa Florida:

"A NO BAG POLICY IS IN EFFECT FOR ALL EVENTS AT RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM. GUESTS ARE ONLY PERMITTED TO BRING IN ONE CLUTCH PURSE NO LARGER THAN 4.5” BY 6.5”.

With this in mind has anyone had any success with taking the Sony PCM-M10 through a metal detector?

No need to worry about ANYTHING. Virtually ALL places now have a "no bag" policy. The real key is to use these magic words "medical bag".
Sir, can't bring that bag in here "oh, it's a medical bag" and you are right in.
If you have a medical bag they can't ask what it is for or why you have it due to the Americans with Disabilities Act.

You get left alone.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: willndmb on July 15, 2021, 09:51:10 PM
With the concert industry finally opening up, at east in the U.S., I have noticed that a lot of venues are now prohibiting ALL bags, including the clear NFL bags for stadiums.  Below is the bag policy for Raymond James stadium in Tampa Florida:

"A NO BAG POLICY IS IN EFFECT FOR ALL EVENTS AT RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM. GUESTS ARE ONLY PERMITTED TO BRING IN ONE CLUTCH PURSE NO LARGER THAN 4.5” BY 6.5”.

With this in mind has anyone had any success with taking the Sony PCM-M10 through a metal detector?

No need to worry about ANYTHING. Virtually ALL places now have a "no bag" policy. The real key is to use these magic words "medical bag".
Sir, can't bring that bag in here "oh, it's a medical bag" and you are right in.
If you have a medical bag they can't ask what it is for or why you have it due to the Americans with Disabilities Act.

You get left alone.
and these mics are my listening assistance
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: moondust.and.solitude on July 18, 2021, 06:32:18 AM
Quote
No need to worry about ANYTHING. Virtually ALL places now have a "no bag" policy. The real key is to use these magic words "medical bag".
Sir, can't bring that bag in here "oh, it's a medical bag" and you are right in.
If you have a medical bag they can't ask what it is for or why you have it due to the Americans with Disabilities Act.

You get left alone.

That's not necessarily true. The term “reasonable modification” is a broad concept that does protect people with disabilities, but it's not carte blanche. They can still "reasonably" search people with disabilities and looking into a bag is not considered unreasonable.

https://adata.org/factsheet/health-care-and-ada

Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: one8ung on July 19, 2021, 02:59:59 PM
Is a waist bag still allowed?

I have a nice one with a hidden compartment.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: felmmando on August 19, 2021, 06:18:40 AM
With the concert industry finally opening up, at east in the U.S., I have noticed that a lot of venues are now prohibiting ALL bags, including the clear NFL bags for stadiums.  Below is the bag policy for Raymond James stadium in Tampa Florida:

"A NO BAG POLICY IS IN EFFECT FOR ALL EVENTS AT RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM. GUESTS ARE ONLY PERMITTED TO BRING IN ONE CLUTCH PURSE NO LARGER THAN 4.5” BY 6.5”.

With this in mind has anyone had any success with taking the Sony PCM-M10 through a metal detector?

I'm posting mainly to ask what rationale there is for this new policy of restricting bags.
However, to address the question of getting an M10 through a metal detector, I found years ago that it did set it off when they started placing detectors at the entrance to the hall of the Cairo Opera House. My strategy was to line my person with coins, jewelry and other metal articles, wave people ahead until there was a long line behind me, then step forward and starting to laboriously remove all the metal on my person (but not the M10 stashed in my pocket). I never ran into a guard patient enough for me to finish doing so.
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: nulldogmas on August 19, 2021, 09:53:34 AM

I'm posting mainly to ask what rationale there is for this new policy of restricting bags.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater)
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: udovdh on August 20, 2021, 07:14:44 AM
No need to worry about ANYTHING. Virtually ALL places now have a "no bag" policy. The real key is to use these magic words "medical bag".
Sir, can't bring that bag in here "oh, it's a medical bag" and you are right in.
If you have a medical bag they can't ask what it is for or why you have it due to the Americans with Disabilities Act.

You get left alone.
Do put some stoma bags, band aids etc in there...
Title: Re: Sony PCM-M10 and metal detectors!
Post by: Clem Cheesy on August 21, 2021, 01:30:32 AM
Tape the powercord end to your gut under a round bandage and insist that its your insulin pump

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