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More SBD/AUD Topics - Matching sound characteristics, etc
« on: November 17, 2021, 08:16:39 AM »
Some of you were very generous with your help in another thread helping me to understand the principles of a sbd/aud matrix. The shows happened over the weekend and I got both of them with mostly just a few problems. First night I was able to get dedicated vocal lines off the soundboard, and the second night I was only able to get the output mix - vocal heavy, but containing everything.

I was expecting to have a harder time doing the time alignment. I had to use two decks because there weren’t enough available lines off the board for my stage mics. Below is a track from later in the show, and I’m not hearing alignment issues. It’s just a first pass, and I’ll take a more careful look later. It seems odd that between two decks from two different companies that one of them wouldn’t need to be stretched a little. But this isn’t necessarily the question…

What can I do to make the vocal heavy sbd mix sound more like the stage mix? I tried using RX7 EQ Match, but I’m not sure how well it worked. Here’s an example mix down -

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DGM-mEZfqHthkDias5ju3LHfDCRXRmKn/view?usp=drivesdk

And a similar question from night 1. I was able to get two discrete channels for lead vocal and backing vocal. The vocal tracks have a fair amount of bleed from the amps and drums on the small stage, and I think this is why the vocals sound muddy. De-bleed in RX7 doesn’t seem to be working at all in this case:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/104RTdqtrFUFyTuqElAtFfARCij12DNWU/view?usp=sharing

Both examples above are selected from later in the set where alignment problems, if any, may be more obvious. Here’s a pic from night 2, my CM4s are lower right:

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Re: More SBD/AUD Topics - Matching sound characteristics, etc
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2021, 03:34:03 PM »
I was expecting to have a harder time doing the time alignment. I had to use two decks because there weren’t enough available lines off the board for my stage mics. Below is a track from later in the show, and I’m not hearing alignment issues. It’s just a first pass, and I’ll take a more careful look later. It seems odd that between two decks from two different companies that one of them wouldn’t need to be stretched a little. But this isn’t necessarily the question…
It can happen!?! You got a lucky pair of decks.
Ideally, they would ALL match up, because the length of 1 second should not be debatable, yet here we are!

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Re: More SBD/AUD Topics - Matching sound characteristics, etc
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2022, 04:30:51 PM »
I don’t think there is a good reason to try to match the sonic qualities of the two sources.

In fact, I believe it is counterproductive.

Imagine if you could get the two sources to sound exactly the same. Why would you need two sources then?

Instead, if anything, consider making them sound more different. Then decide what percentage mix sounds the best. Then consider using mastering tools to finish up after the mix is created.

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Re: More SBD/AUD Topics - Matching sound characteristics, etc
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 09:41:17 AM »
^ agreed. Some of my most successful matrices have been two wildly different sounding sources, either in frequency content or instrument balance.
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