Topic: getting into recorded

[BklynBagel]

I'm looking to putting together my first recording rig. due to my budget of about $500 I'm sticking to the MD format. everyone i talk to suggests the sony MZ-R50. say whiles its older, its still a slamming recorder, and cheap to boot. for a mic someone told me Core does a good Binaural mic for $90 or a set of high-end i guess and a battery box for $260.

biggest thing i need help on is finding a good pre-amp and a battery box, since i probably will have to pass on the $260 Core set
any help would be amazing, and wondering what people think of this rig so far. granted it wont be AMAZING but if i can make good recordings i can enjoy at home thats fine by me

[Sean Gallemore]

do a search for giant squid binaural

[BklynBagel]

i dont see a set of Binaural. only omnidirectional and cardioid

[Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B)]

My personal suggestion with a $500 budget:

CSB > Battery Box > JB3

The Core Sounds are $230. If you want the switchable battery box $260.

JB3 = $200 refirb w/ shipping (eBay).

That's $460(tops), so you can spend $40 on a nice little Lowe Pro bag.

I know the JB3 mic preamp sucks. but it's not *horrible*. You could always upgrade to the Deneke pre-amp / A/D later (or something similar).

Good thing about that setup is that if you upgrade to a full size preamp and mics later you can use the CSB > JB3 setup for Stealth.

I don't know about you but almost 50% of the shows I tape are stealth. It's nice to have the option.

Good luck,
MIKE B

PS. Trust me as EX-MiniDisc taper. The JB3 is AWESOME. So nice to be able to set my levels during the first song, and then go enjoy the show. Best $200 I've ever spent. Don't get an MD. You will regret it.

[Sean Gallemore]

i dont see a set of Binaural. only omnidirectional and cardioid

you are correct

omnidirectional it is!

I feel ashamed, although I was trying to emulate how I thought they listed them

[Chanher]

for less than $200 shipped, the jb3 wins hands down over MD.  I just switched from MD to jb3, well worth it.

that leaves you $300 for mics and mic power.  you could go core sounds setup, giant squid setup, as well as soundpro's set up with roughly similiar results. personally I recommend the at831's (sp-cmc-2) from www.soundprofessionals.com with their batt box, but that's because that's what I have and they are beyond satisfactory, I know schwillster will back me up.  

[mgleason007]

There's some Mraz shows with SP mics (i think the cmc 2's) > batt box > JB3 that Jon Koch taped.  They're up on the archive in 2003.  I liked them a lot and was considering going this route, but decided to go full rig instead.  Check 'em out and see if you like them!

[drumminj]

Nice Avatar, moke.  Man those things freak me out!  (then again, so does camel toe)

[teajay]

mics and battery box for sale in our very own yard sale for $200... that and the $200 for a JB3, you've got $100 for case/batteries or what have you...

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=16795

[drumminj]

To actually ADD something to this thread, I'd actually look to get a relatively cheap analog preamp.  You should be able to stay within budget.  I think you'll find it MUCH MUCH cleaner than using the mic preamp in the JB3.  The A/D in the JB3 isn't nearly as bad as the mic pre circuit.

It's a lot of boxes: mics->batt box->analog pre->JB3.  Not terrible, though.  I ran this for a bit, and really didn't think it was that bad. Walked away with some good tapes while I was at it, too.

J

[jimmc]

To actually ADD something to this thread, I'd actually look to get a relatively cheap analog preamp.  You should be able to stay within budget.  I think you'll find it MUCH MUCH cleaner than using the mic preamp in the JB3.  The A/D in the JB3 isn't nearly as bad as the mic pre circuit.

It's a lot of boxes: mics->batt box->analog pre->JB3.  Not terrible, though.  I ran this for a bit, and really didn't think it was that bad. Walked away with some good tapes while I was at it, too.

J

I agree.  I am currently running an analog Nakamichi MX100 into my JB3 and I think it sounds pretty nice.  I never did try out the JB3 mic pre, but I cant imagine it would compare to an external preamp.  Start w/ the analog pre, then upgrade to an AD-20 or UA-5 in the future.  Thats what I hope to do someday.
Jim

[BklynBagel]

first i wanna thank EVERYONE for helping. trying to put this rig together before Coachella, that show being my inspiration to get this done obviously.
so right now here is where it stands:
Mic: Giant squid Cardioid set/comes with battery box
I'd grab the pair of binaurals off the yard sale but they dont have the clips, which i'd need.
unit: JB3(can someone please list the full name so i can find it somewhere)
pre-amp: still looking for a suggestion

[Tenn Man]

 Creative Nomad Jukebox 3

You can find refurbished ones from Creative on eBay real cheap.

[BklynBagel]

ok I did the rundown on the NJB3. and at least for Coachella it doesn't fit the bill. says i get about 3 hours recording time and theres likely close to 8 hours of stuff there i'm looking to record. alternate suggestion?

also I've been looking at the pre-amps at soundpros site...which would someone recomend?

[mgleason007]

8 hours is going to be tough for anything I think.  Unless you go MD, which would be a huge pain for 8 hours with all of the discs you'd need.  If you go into the power forum there's a long thread about power options for the JB3.  What you could do is get a total of 3 batteries (the JB3 holds two) and swap one out during the show.  Should get you around 9 hours.