Author Topic: I just got my M-Audio Firewire 410 (Read 13935 times)

Wes · « **on:** September 06, 2003, 10:32:49 AM »

this thing is pretty cool. I had some problems when installing the drivers, I was apparently missing some files that were needed. to name a few: wdmaud.drv,portcls.sys, and a few others. So I downloaded them off the internet. The installation went flawlessly after that. So it is working and i'm getting locks on channels where I have data going into. My problem is that in Wavelab in the Options>Preferences>Audio Card drop down box there is nothing listed there. So I can't pick the FW410 to use as my input. WTF?? I also have n-track. In the n-track select audio card box the FW410 and all the inputs are listed, however when I choose it as my input device. I get an error message stating that it can't start and make sure my audio card supports the selected sample rate. Well it does! WTF??

thanks
Wes

DaryanLenz · « **Reply #1 on:** September 06, 2003, 10:56:39 AM »

Good luck...having not used one, I would reccomend a clean install...as in unionstall everything that you have put in there, and reinstall and see if that helps. You may need to switch preferences in your control panel as well.

Daryan

dmonterisi · « **Reply #2 on:** September 06, 2003, 11:02:03 AM »

wes, have you tried messing around in the windows device manager? there could be a driver conflict issue in the firewire management drivers.

Wes · « **Reply #3 on:** September 06, 2003, 05:41:55 PM »

i don't think there is a driver conflict. there are no exclamation points by anything.. doesn't that mean everything is ok? I'm about to try to see if i can get it to work on my other machine.

damon-the pcmcia firewire doesn't provide power. so your going to have to use a 12V for power. I've talked to Frank at Cascade-media about building a 4 pin>FW410 power cord I haven't heard back from him yet. I think it would be pretty easy to build your own. the plug that goes into the FW410 is pretty generic.

dmonterisi · « **Reply #4 on:** September 07, 2003, 11:18:08 AM »

is the 410 showing up in device manager as a device? or when you start without the device plugged in and then plug it in to the firewire port, does a "new device" pop up show up?

i had some problems in xp home where my external dvd burner (usb2.0) wouldn't always show up in the right place. It sometimes would show up in the usb2.0 controller tree in the device manager but not under dvd/cd drives.

it would have been nice to be able to ditch my 12v, but guess not.

Wes · « **Reply #5 on:** September 07, 2003, 11:48:35 AM »

Get you an ec-90, damon. run the v3 out of the 6v and the fw410 out the 12v. I love mine.

Well, I finally got the FW410 to work and be recognized in wavelab. But now when I select the FW410 as the input device and hit record in wavelab the screen goes blue and i get an error message about some driver issue and one of those error codes like 00x0001200230.

On another note, I installed the FW410 on my Dell with xp with no problems and it works perfectly.
So this seems to be a windows 2000 glitch.
If anybody has a place for me to upload a comp. tape, i'd be happy to do it.
I could compare st-250>v3>FW410 to st-250>FW410

dmonterisi · « **Reply #6 on:** September 07, 2003, 01:07:02 PM »

i do have an ec-90 6v/12v combo...it's a great batt, but it would've been nice to shave that 12v weight a little...still it's not bad, all things considered.

so the fact that you are having win2k compatibility issues is pretty interesting...i haven't set up the dual boot system on my laptop yet, i may wait a while and try running xp pro instead and see how it goes...i wonder if there is a way to shut down a lot of the xp pro background processes to ensure a more stable recording environment...

dmonterisi · « **Reply #7 on:** September 07, 2003, 01:24:54 PM »

wes, there's a win2k driver on the m-audio site, i take it you've tried that one as well?

Wes · « **Reply #8 on:** September 07, 2003, 05:18:50 PM »

yep. still no cookies. i email m-audio tech support. we'll just have to see how that goes. I got a feeling they might not have an answer for me considering the thing has only been out for a week. THIS SUCKS!

Wes · « **Reply #9 on:** September 07, 2003, 07:47:13 PM »

I finally got around to hooking up the whole rig in order to actually use the fw410. Using my machine that I assumed was working. I find out that when I select the FW410 as the input device, Wavelab and n-track give me error messages stating the audio card can't be accessed. Starting to look like the FW410 is going to be a flop. Definately not performing as advertised

John Kelly · « **Reply #10 on:** September 07, 2003, 09:06:36 PM »

I'm not so sure I'm willing to give up on it altogether because you're having driver conflicts.

But good luck, I really want to hear what this thing sounds like... +t for your troubles

nic · « **Reply #11 on:** September 08, 2003, 02:54:30 PM »

what service pack you using with Windows 2000?
according to M-Audio you need SP3 minimum.

also, have you tried using the Firewire 410 in standalone mode yet to power a DAT??
if not, please do and let us know!

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #12 on:** September 08, 2003, 06:24:17 PM »

Quote from: luvean on September 08, 2003, 02:54:30 PM

what service pack you using with Windows 2000?
according to M-Audio you need SP3 minimum.

also, have you tried using the Firewire 410 in standalone mode yet to power a DAT??
if not, please do and let us know!

i wasn't aware this works as a standalone unit...if it does that would be pretty sweet. of course i'm sure wes would be happy if it just worked at all.
wes...are there any irq conflicts? try uninstalling your laptop's sound card also.

Wes · « **Reply #13 on:** September 08, 2003, 06:50:08 PM »

Quote from: luvean on September 08, 2003, 02:54:30 PM

what service pack you using with Windows 2000?
according to M-Audio you need SP3 minimum.

I did just upgrade to service pack 4.

They exact windows error message I get when I hit record in wavelab is:
***STOP:0X000000D1(0X00000000,0X00000002,0XFCD4DF14)
DRIVER_IRQL_NOTLESS_OR_EQUAL
***ADDRESS FCD4D14 BASE AT FCD48000.
DATE STAMP 3F44D94E-DELTAFW.SYS
BEGINNING DUMP OF PHYSICAL MEMORY

I have a dual boot system on one the original sony soundcard is disabled on the other it is not. I get the error message no matter which side i boot into so, I don't think its the soundcard.

Is there a way to find out what this error message means?

dmonterisi · « **Reply #14 on:** September 08, 2003, 07:19:27 PM »

it looks like its an IRQ conflict...go into the Device Manager and under the view menu change the view to "Resources by Connection" then click on the IRQ option and see if you find the 410 in there and if you can find a possible conflict.

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #15 on:** September 08, 2003, 07:27:46 PM »

hmmm...i've never been able to get this to work, but can you try changing the IRQ for that device? you would go the resources tab of the device properties and uncheck automatically configure (if it is not greyed out) and change the interrupt to one that is not being used...
like i said i have never been able to do this with mine, might be the copy of w2k i have or a trait inherent to many of the devices i have that won't allow me to change the IRQ, despite countless hours of research i have done to find a way around that. YMMV and good luck, god speed

Wes · « **Reply #16 on:** September 08, 2003, 07:31:39 PM »

I have no resources tab in my device manager. I'm using win2k. how do i get there?

dmonterisi · « **Reply #17 on:** September 08, 2003, 07:56:10 PM »

i've not used win2k so maybe it's different, but in the device manager, click the view pulldown menu and click on resources by connection if it's available...something along those lines i'd imagine is available in 2k...if not you may have to search in win2k help for IRQ settings

Wes · « **Reply #18 on:** September 08, 2003, 09:21:08 PM »

well, windows says if there is no resources tab then no resources are being used for that device.

People on the laptop-tapers list seem to believe its a driver issue.

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #19 on:** September 09, 2003, 11:50:11 AM »

when you go into device manager and double-click the item in question (ie fw410) you get the properties dialog box. that's where the resources tab should be.

nic · « **Reply #20 on:** September 09, 2003, 01:46:49 PM »

Quote from: luvean on Yesterday at 02:54:30pm
what service pack you using with Windows 2000?
according to M-Audio you need SP3 minimum.
also, have you tried using the Firewire 410 in standalone mode yet to power a DAT??
if not, please do and let us know!

i wasn't aware this works as a standalone unit...if it does that would be pretty sweet. of course i'm sure wes would be happy if it just worked at all.
wes...are there any irq conflicts? try uninstalling your laptop's sound card also.

all of the pre-release documentation talked about it operating in standalone mode, but the official manual for the FW410 doesnt make a mention of it. I emailed M-Audio tech support about it and they stated that they had to change the specs of the Firewire 410. it will not operate in stand-alone mode, but future M-Audio Firewire interfaces that should come out in a few months WILL operate in stand-alone mode.
just a little FYI...

dmonterisi · « **Reply #21 on:** September 09, 2003, 01:48:56 PM »

what do you mean by standalone mode?

John Kelly · « **Reply #22 on:** September 09, 2003, 01:56:51 PM »

Standalone == without a computer

dmonterisi · « **Reply #23 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:10:04 PM »

gotcha...why do companies release products before they are ready? this sucks...i'm gonna buy a digiset or multiset instead...at least i know it will work for what i want. would rather pay the m-audio price, but it sounds like you may get what you pay for as far as service goes.

Wes · « **Reply #24 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:55:29 PM »

An update on my situation: I have got in touch with M-audio. The problem with the 410 not working on my XP machine was as simple as I didn't have it selected as the default recording device. The FW410 is now working with XP.
My Win2000 (field recording) machine the OS is not properly installed. I forgot what he called it, but I have to reinstall the OS in standard pc mode. This should clear up the irq sharing conflict I was having. I had like 6 devices working off of 1 irq.

nic · « **Reply #25 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:01:28 PM »

^^^good to see its working!

John Kelly · « **Reply #26 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:02:43 PM »

Good to know that you got it working. +t for the hassle

DaryanLenz · « **Reply #27 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:13:44 PM »

haha...the evil acpi issue, set it to standard computer doing a complete OS install. I believe you get their by pressing f8 when doing the reinstall. You may also be able to get the device working by going into the bios and disabling auto plug and play!

Daryan

MattD · « **Reply #28 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:15:16 PM »

I think it's F6 ... it's the button one higher than what the setup tells you to push if you have a RAID array.

dmonterisi · « **Reply #29 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:15:40 PM »

what is the other mode other than "standard"?

MattD · « **Reply #30 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:17:57 PM »

There's a list of them that come up when you push the key during setup. There are also "advanced" and a few other settings. Basically this setting dictates which hardware abstraction layer (HAL) is used by the OS. I know it has to do with power saving features, among other things. Can anyone clarify further?

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #31 on:** September 09, 2003, 05:09:30 PM »

i had to deal with this for a while when trying to get my picturebook to work 24bit with my usbpre, but it never worked right and i had more problems in the standard pc mode than i wanted to deal with because certain drivers didn't work right i believe...hopefully YMWV (your mileage will vary)

dklein · « **Reply #32 on:** September 10, 2003, 02:31:55 AM »

Quote from: Simp-Dawg on September 09, 2003, 05:09:30 PM

i had to deal with this for a while when trying to get my picturebook to work 24bit with my usbpre, but it never worked right and i had more problems in the standard pc mode than i wanted to deal with because certain drivers didn't work right i believe...hopefully YMWV (your mileage will vary)

Yeah - I'll second that. You might be entering a mine field. I think it'll be up to you to manage the IRQ conflicts and you probably have too many devices for permanent allocations. With a regular install, the devices only appear to be sharing one IRQ - windows is dynamically allocating them.

right click 'My Computer
properties
device manager
view, resources by type
then expand the 'Interrupt Request' section to see the allocation - they're not really all on IRQ9.

dmonterisi · « **Reply #33 on:** September 10, 2003, 09:23:43 AM »

i decided yesterday once i saw wes' post about changing the OS to standard PC mode and the problems that might raise to just suck it up and get the nuendo digiset (little cheaper than the multiset w/o the analog i/o)...it just doesn't seem to me that the testing and support for this product was sufficient to make it as reliable as I'd hoped. i'd rather be confident that the system is gonna work the way i want it. and given how much less of a strain on pc resources the nuendo is versus something working exclusively off the firewire bus, it seems like an overall much more reliable solution.

DaryanLenz · « **Reply #34 on:** September 11, 2003, 10:57:49 AM »

It has to do with interrupt allocation. Windows asigns different devices to use different irq's when set up in their aspi auto feature. The stadard PC mode uses more power, but allows for each device to sit on its own irq port, thus not sharing resources and enabling its full functionality on that particular irq. My windows 2000 pro I use is set up as standard PC. Often you can by pass all the BS by going into bios and changing your os type from plug and play to non-plug and play. I would try that first, it generally works quite well.

Daryan

Wes · « **Reply #35 on:** September 11, 2003, 04:14:15 PM »

Could some one give me some insight on how to change it?

DaryanLenz · « **Reply #36 on:** September 11, 2003, 04:53:23 PM »

http://www.data-based-systems.com/Windows%202000%20XP%20Installation.htm

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