Topic: Low End Blowout

[mterry]

One thing I’ve notice since getting back into taping, are bands just throwing some absolute bass bombs. I had this happen to me in 2023 at Goose in Spokane and Phish in Nashville. I was taping FOB both shows, and for the phish show, I wasn’t the only one who suffered from massive distortion. Has this been more of an instance the last few years? Is it the curse
Of running up front? What is everyone doing to mitigate this shit storm of low end distortion that can’t be helped???

[grawk]

peak at -18 instead of 0

[nulldogmas]

I've noticed it at a few recent shows, but specifically with the kick drum. In both cases I ended up having to split the recording to stems and then apply an insanely aggressive EQ curve to the percussion stem only.

I can only assume this is venue sound engineers thinking it's their job to make audience members' teeth rattle, but I don't have any further info. (Similarly, I don't know when sound engineers started cranking the Shitty Reverb slider up to 11 on all vocals, but they can stop now, thanks.)

[fanofjam]

I'm not sure about it being a trend...but I haven't had any recording issues.  I also ride along at -12db and now that I have a Zoom F3 that I expect to use alot, I expect it to be even less of a possibility since I'll be recording in 32bit float. 

[breakonthru]

peak at -18 instead of 0

this. Sphere went +12dB at points

[fanofjam]

peak at -18 instead of 0

this. Sphere went +12dB at points

Did you see the clip going around about Drew Carey's Phish Sphere experience?  Loved it. 

[opsopcopolis]

Goose loves doing that shit. I find it kinda obnoxious. But yeah, no real reason to be peaking at 0, just run lower and you should be safe(er). Can always engage deck limiter right at 0 to save it from actually distorting if you're so inclined

[morst]

When I saw Hamilton in SF (Yes, Lin-Manuel Miranda's musical theatre production) there was one big bass bomb in each of the two acts every night.


Slightly off topic: Great interview with Hamilton touring sound mixer Kevin McCoy by Mythbuster Adam Savage here, but doesn't really mention the bass bombs
https://youtu.be/60OpF3DCVls?si=8CGVDzhBRaPRkmTA

[flysquirrel]

Slightly off topic: Great interview with Hamilton touring sound mixer Kevin McCoy by Mythbuster Adam Savage here, but doesn't really mention the bass bombs
https://youtu.be/60OpF3DCVls?si=8CGVDzhBRaPRkmTA

Thanks for posting this, Morst.  I really enjoyed that behind-the-scenes glimpse.  It all seems easy until you realize how many DPAs must constantly be in the process of failing on any given night!     Also sent you a private message on an unrelated topic if you can take a look.

[breakonthru]

One thing I’ve notice since getting back into taping, are bands just throwing some absolute bass bombs. I had this happen to me in 2023 at Goose in Spokane and Phish in Nashville. I was taping FOB both shows, and for the phish show, I wasn’t the only one who suffered from massive distortion. Has this been more of an instance the last few years? Is it the curse
Of running up front? What is everyone doing to mitigate this shit storm of low end distortion that can’t be helped???

your 2012s are very sensitive to bass. Not as much as an Omni, but more than a cardioid or hyper/supercard

There’s really no penalty to having your levels peak lower with modern recording equipment. The noise floor of any decent recorder is well above that of the mics themselves. That’s apart from the noise of the crowd which is even higher

It’s not like the days of 16 bit recorders with noisy inputs. You can peak at -20 to -12 and come out with a great recording with no fear of clipping