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CMC6 cap compatibility
« on: July 22, 2007, 05:44:31 PM »
Which of the Schoeps caps are compatible with these bodies?

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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2007, 05:57:17 PM »
Check here: http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/menue-mod-mics.html.

There are a lot to choose from.  The Mk4 seem to be the all around cap for this amp.

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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2007, 08:18:34 PM »
I can run hyper caps with these, correct?
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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2007, 08:29:29 PM »
yes, the mk41s will work with the cmc6. any of the caps listed on this page will work with the cmc6... http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/mk-select.html

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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2007, 08:48:59 PM »
Ok..

  I was confused. They don't use the term hyper, correct?   Super cardoid is the same as hyper?  I know the 41's are considered hypers...
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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2007, 08:53:45 PM »
They don't use the term hyper, correct?   Super cardoid is the same as hyper?
yes and yes.

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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2007, 09:04:25 PM »
....wurd.

Thanks man. I have been speaking Neumanneze for years.  This will be a nice new flavor to the 4 channel salad


Looking forward to hear this eclectic blend   >:D
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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2007, 09:27:40 PM »
They don't use the term hyper, correct?   Super cardoid is the same as hyper?
yes and yes.

Though most tapers use them interchangeably in the field, technically they're not the same.

Cardioids have a forward pattern of 130º, or +/- 65º from the forward axis.  Supercardioids have a forward pattern of 115º, or +/-57.5º.  Hypercardioids have a forward pattern of 105º, or +/- 52.5º.

Depending on frequency, they each attenuate frequencies from the rear to different degrees:  cardioids at -15 dB and lower (i.e. higher negative number...-20...-25...etc.), supercardioids at -12 dB and lower, and hypercardioids at -6 dB and lower.

And the area of least sensitivity differs, too:  cardioids at 180º, supercardioids at +/- 110º, and hypercardioids at +/- 125º.

What does all this mean?  Basically, supercardioids don't have quite as tight a pattern as hypercardioids, and the supercardioid rear lobe is smaller.
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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2007, 09:58:50 PM »
Does Schoeps have a true hypercard?

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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2007, 10:02:39 PM »
Does Schoeps have a true hypercard?

Not that I know of.  The MK41 supercardioid sounds great, though.  :)
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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2007, 11:08:47 PM »
waltmon, absolutely any Colette-series capsule (MK anything) works with the CMC 6 amplifier (body). That includes MK 2, MK 2H, MK 2S, MK 3, MK 4, MK 40, MK 41, MK 5, MK 6, MK 8 and quite a few others, including the BLM 3 and BLM 03 C boundary layer capsules.

The Schoeps MK 41 has a directional pattern that is somewhere between being supercardioid and hypercardioid. When the MK 41 design was introduced as part of the vacuum-tube M 221 B series in the 1960s, it was called the MK 241 and its pattern was a little more toward hypercardioid than it is today. Consultation with users resulted in a shift during the early 1970s more in the supercardioid direction. The main difference is, "where's the null angle?". It's a little farther back on a supercardioid, but closer to the side on a true hypercardioid.

Schoeps always used to call the MK 241 a hypercardioid capsule, and continued to do so for a little while after they adjusted the design (by then it was the MK 41 capsule of the solid-state CMT series), but then their U.S. rep at the time (Posthorn Recordings) decided to start calling it a supercardioid, and then Schoeps themselves decided to go along with that.

True hypercardioid microphones are quite rare. Look at the polar diagram for the Neumann KM 150 or KM 185, for example, which is listed as a "hypercardioid"--it, too, is somewhere between supercardioid and hypercardioid, and slightly closer to supercardioid if I recall correctly. The same is true of the "hypercardioid" setting of their U 89, TLM 170, USM 69 and TLM 127 microphones. The same is true if Sennheiser's MKH-series "hypercardioid" and Beyer's "hypercardioid" ribbons (the M 160 and M 260). All these microphones are somewhere in between--most being closer to supercardioid.

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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2007, 11:55:28 PM »
So MK41 is super cardoid...mk41v is a verticle version of the same capsule, or different sound wise?
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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2007, 11:57:52 PM »
The Schoeps MK 41 has a directional pattern that is somewhere between being supercardioid and hypercardioid. When the MK 41 design was introduced...

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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2007, 09:16:07 AM »
OK...so here's the next step. How about the MK41V > m222 > NT 222   stuff?  Charles Fox from the Panic page runs those + MK21's etc to a 744  and that stuff is always amazing.

   Are the m222's and nt 222's alternate amplifiers?

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Re: CMC6 cap compatibility
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2007, 09:23:52 AM »
the m222 is a tube based mic body and the NT222 is the specialized power unit for them. When coupled together they could replace the cmc6 bodies. There is both an AC and a DC based nt222 powering unit. for field use you'd probably want the DC based nt222

 

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