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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: OFOTD on September 09, 2005, 03:41:09 PM
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Part I, II and III down and now part IV of the M-Audio MicroTrack discussion. There has been alot of information and speculation and we can now see the light at the end of the tunnel.
If you have any new factual information or have a report on vendors and their prices please PM me with them and I will update this page.
Here is what we know so far as FACT:
Dimensions:
2.25" X 4.13" X 1.13" -> 57.2 x 104.9 x 28.7 mm
Media:
The MicroTrack will be able to use BOTH CompactFlash cards as well as Microdrives
Power:
5v - Internal Battery with an expected run time of 3 hours with the 48v phantom on and 8 hours with the phantom off.
External Power will be via the USB port
The internal battery while replacable DOES NOT seem to be removable for in the field use
Price: MSR $499 Looks like street price will be $399 with several dealers attempting to undercut that. Lowest current price (as of 8.18.05) seems to be $350 from Cascade Media.
Mods:
None yet.
User Manual:
http://m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.manuals&PID=196cc4c35a380d800a80448f139bcfe7&language=en&x=36&y=9
Arrival date:
According to several sources it's looking like a mid September release date. Actual shipping date will vary depending on who you order from.
Vendors:
(these prices are reported prices, please check with these vendors for their latest prices)
Cascade Media - $350 + shipping http://www.cascademedia.net
Sweetwater - $399 + free shipping http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MicroTrack/
B&H Photo/Video - $399 + free shipping http://www.bhphotovideo.com
J&R - $379 + shipping http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4050702
Crap-Sound - $369 + shipping http://www.core-sound.com/microtrack_2496.html
Audiomidi.com - $399 + free shipping (preorders only) http://www.audiomidi.com
Sound Professionals - $398 + free shipping (use coupon code free_shipping_promo) http://www.soundprofessionals.com/
DJMart - $360 + shipping (must use coupon code AUGUST10 or price is $399) http://www.djmart.com
Sam Ash - $399 w/ free shipping http://www.samash.com
Marketing Video:
http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2287#
This was a demo video from MAudio at NAMM 2005
M-Audic MicroTrack Homepage:
English
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack-main.html
German
http://www.m-audio.de/microtrack.htm
The latest pics as of 8.23.05
(http://209.132.209.146/images/en/callouts/big/microtrack_acc.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.de/us/MicroTrack-side-R.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.de/us/MicroTrack-bottom.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.de/us/MicroTrack-topmod.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.de/us/MicroTrack-side-L.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/product_pics/th/microtrack_Backlight.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/product_pics/th/microtrack_Files.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/product_pics/th/microtrack_Main.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/product_pics/th/microtrack_Record-input.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/product_pics/th/microtrack_Record-time.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/product_pics/th/microtrack_System-connect.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/product_pics/th/microtrack_System-setup.jpg)
Specs as posted on the Oade Brothers site Note these have not been confirmed by M-Audio yet
# 1/8" Mic Input
# Input Level: -14dBV
# Signal-to-Noise Ratio: -98dB, A-weighted
# Dynamic Range: 98dB, A-weighted
# THD+N: 0.003% (-90dB) @ -1dBFS, 1kHz
# Channel-to-Channel Crosstalk (Bal): < -100dB
# Frequency Response: 20Hz to 20kHz, +/- 0.5dB
# Preamp Gain: >34dB
# Stereo electret condenser power: electret condenser power enable
1/4" Mic/Line Inputs
# Maximum Input Level: +4.3dBu, balanced; +2.1dBV, unbalanced
# Signal-to-Noise Ratio: -100dB, A-weighted
# Dynamic Range: 100dB, A-weighted
# THD+N: 0.003% (-90dB) @ -1dBFS, 1kHz
# Channel-to-Channel Crosstalk (Bal): < -100dB
# Frequency Response: 20Hz to 20kHz, +/- 0.3dB @ 48kHz sample rate
# Pre-amp Gain: > 55dB
# Phantom Power: switchable phantom power
Line Outputs
# Maximum Output Level: +2dBV, unbalanced
# Signal-to-Noise Ratio: -102dB, A-weighted
# Dynamic Range: 102dB, A-weighted
# THD+N: 0.00265% (-91.5dB) @ -1dBFS, 1kHz
# Channel-to-Channel Crosstalk (Bal): < -100dB
# Frequency Response: 20Hz to 20kHz, +/- 0.3dB @ 48kHz sample rate
Headphone Output
# Maximum Output: -2.0dBV at THD < 0.02% into 32 ohms
# Working Range: 16 ohms to 600 ohms
Here is the link for the first part of this thread:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=45556.0
Here is the link for the second part of this thread:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=47014.0
Here is the link for the third part of this thread:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=48419.0
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Wayne, when did Avid purchase DigiDesign?
guess this is the reason there has suddenly been alot of M-Audio/ProTools collaborations...
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avid also owns m-audio as of august 16th, 2004. hmmm i can't seem to find when they bought digidesign actually.
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cascade has $399 listed on their site?
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cascade has $399 listed on their site?
I saw that as well but have gotten several recent PM's about Frank still giving the good deal. If someone is quoted higher than $350 from Frank now then i'll change that real quick.
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I get why everyone uses FAT32, because its most prevelent and compatible with most apps and OS's. NTFS filesystems has no file size restrictions and no file splits are needed on any type of file. I wish these portable recorders would take other filesystems into consideration when being made. Especially $2K-$10k ones.
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Guys, I'm wondering something maybe you all might be able to help me with. As some of you might know, I'm more of a "video guy" than an "audio guy," but I'm looking to change that. I've been also pondering purchasing the MT as are many of you. Beside using it for audio-only projects (with or without a pre & a/d), I'm expecting to use it in concert with video. Now sometimes, I'd just cap the audio with the MT completely seperately from the video, then sync with video in post. But at other times, I'd like to do something more like I'm about to describe, which will help with sync later and still give me another source of audience sound too.
Here's the standard setup, right?
Mics > Power > Pre > A/D > MicroTrack
Now, I would look to do something like this:
Take audio outs from MT > Convert to mono > Feed mono into one channel of video cam with different mic feeding other channel into cam
This leaves me with HQ audio on the MT, then a mono mix of the same thing into R-channel of cam, and another mic feeding into L-channel of cam. This permits me to get a third mic (track if you will) into the mix, plus it'll made syncing the HQ audio from the MT in the video timeline a breeze. That third track/mic can come in very handy when I'm able to take stereo from the board because I'll be able to get audience & room ambiance from my third mic to mix in post (and if I really needed it, I could take two more tracks into the cam instead of the mono mix and just deal with syncing sperately).
Now in my situation, I've got a couple of alternatives, but ultimately, my cam takes a mini mic-level plug. So, I can either convert into mini mic-level or I can bring XLR line level into my video XLR adapter (think beachtek) and then from the ALR adapter into the mic-level mini into my cam. So, considering I really have two options for output from the MT, line-level RCA or mini headphones out, I've got a couple options. It seems to me, one easy solution might be to take the headphones out mini right into my cam making sure to set the headphones out level LOW enough not to clip in my cam (and probably setting my cam's manual gain pretty low so the cam's preamp doesn't get tapped much). Do you guys think that would work at all? Remember, I've caught the HQ audio to the MT, so the quality on this mono mix into my cam doesn't have to be that great, it's mostly there to make syncing easier. The other option I guess would be to take those RCA outs into an XLR connection to my beachteck, turn the beachtek switch to line-level input, then just connect the beachtek to my cam's mini input like always. That should also work, but I'm not sure I've ever seen RCA-to-XLR adapters before? Now the other trick is to tack it down to mono before it hits the cam. That is easy on the headphones route (just use a stereo-to-mono adapter), but from the RCA side not sure. Need to blend the two RCA's, then get it into XLR form? Another possible route is to get a 2RCA-to-1 Mini adapter, and then somehow attentuate the signal down to mic level before plugging into my cam?
Just curious if any of you brilliant audio engineers got any advice on this front because I'm trying to work some of this stuff out in my head before taking the plunge with the MT.
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Wayne, when did Avid purchase DigiDesign?
guess this is the reason there has suddenly been alot of M-Audio/ProTools collaborations...
From the Digi website:
In 1995, Digidesign became a division of Avid Technology, Inc.
I knew it was a while back, but didn't realize it was that long ago.
Wayne
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I get why everyone uses FAT32, because its most prevelent and compatible with most apps and OS's. NTFS filesystems has no file size restrictions and no file splits are needed on any type of file. I wish these portable recorders would take other filesystems into consideration when being made. Especially $2K-$10k ones.
Wasn't Microsoft threatening to enforce their FAT32 patent recently? Maybe they realized that everyone using MS standards would be good for business.
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I saw that as well but have gotten several recent PM's about Frank still giving the good deal. If someone is quoted higher than $350 from Frank now then i'll change that real quick.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think we should be taking advantage of Frank's generosity towards those that pre-ordered with him several months ago. The $350 price was for those folks patience and a "Thank You" from Frank for ordering from him. Now, if he's cool with it that's one thing....
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I saw that as well but have gotten several recent PM's about Frank still giving the good deal. If someone is quoted higher than $350 from Frank now then i'll change that real quick.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think we should be taking advantage of Frank's generosity towards those that pre-ordered with him several months ago. The $350 price was for those folks patience and a "Thank You" from Frank for ordering from him. Now, if he's cool with it that's one thing....
Seriously. I'd only put advertised prices in this thread.
In any case, I just needed a post in here to subscribe to it since the other thread got locked...
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The $350 price was for those folks patience and a "Thank You" from Frank for ordering from him. Now, if he's cool with it that's one thing....
Was just getting to post this ...
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I saw that as well but have gotten several recent PM's about Frank still giving the good deal. If someone is quoted higher than $350 from Frank now then i'll change that real quick.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think we should be taking advantage of Frank's generosity towards those that pre-ordered with him several months ago. The $350 price was for those folks patience and a "Thank You" from Frank for ordering from him. Now, if he's cool with it that's one thing....
Nobody is taking advantage of Frank at all, reallly quite the opposite. The price listed was reported to me via PM from several members of what has been offered not just several weeks ago but recently as well. Also the prices listed clearly state "(these prices are reported prices, please check with these vendors for their latest prices)"
By no means should a price in this or any other thread be regarded final and binding as to what ANY vendor wishes to choose to sell his product for unless that vendor makes his own price post. I think this is grasping at straws here guys.
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fyi, sam ash $399 w/ free shipping...or you could just get it at 1 of their stores.
(for those who need instant gratification of course)
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ofotd,.... +t for maintaining the MicroTracker threads!
Ditto. +T
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NTFS filesystems has no file size restrictions and no file splits are needed on any type of file. I wish these portable recorders would take other filesystems into consideration when being made. Especially $2K-$10k ones.
NTFS is proprietary.
as is FAT32...the only non-proprietary file systems I can think of are EXT2, EXT3, ReiserFS and other *NIX file systems.
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Powering Q: My pcmcia usb 2.0 adapter does not usually provide enuf power to plugged in devices. Will I have to use the (I believe, from the picture) included wall transformer to recharge?
Do we know if the wall transformer is a switching one for both 110/220 like the jb3's is? Don't wanna get stuck w/ a 110 if it's not switching, if I order form someone back home in the USA.
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NTFS filesystems has no file size restrictions and no file splits are needed on any type of file. I wish these portable recorders would take other filesystems into consideration when being made. Especially $2K-$10k ones.
NTFS is proprietary.
as is FAT32...the only non-proprietary file systems I can think of are EXT2, EXT3, ReiserFS and other *NIX file systems.
Yeah, I know its proprietary, but would be a better alternative to FAT32 IMO. Just stating that I wish other filesystems would be given a chance to make these limitations a thing of the past. I know there is nothing anyone can do about and it is all about the greatest good for the most people. What happens when Windows Vista/Longhorn comes along. It is based on a new filesystem I think. Could get really interesting!
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Yeah, I know its proprietary, but would be a better alternative to FAT32 IMO. Just stating that I wish other filesystems would be given a chance to make these limitations a thing of the past. I know there is nothing anyone can do about and it is all about the greatest good for the most people. What happens when Windows Vista/Longhorn comes along. It is based on a new filesystem I think. Could get really interesting!
This is really OT, but Longhorn will not include the new MS file system. The file system was contributing greatly to MS's delay on Longhorn (which is now officially Windows Vista).
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Yeah, I know its proprietary, but would be a better alternative to FAT32 IMO. Just stating that I wish other filesystems would be given a chance to make these limitations a thing of the past. I know there is nothing anyone can do about and it is all about the greatest good for the most people. What happens when Windows Vista/Longhorn comes along. It is based on a new filesystem I think. Could get really interesting!
This is really OT, but Longhorn will not include the new MS file system. The file system was contributing greatly to MS's delay on Longhorn (which is now officially Windows Vista).
even if Vista used the delayed WinFS file system, MS would still HAVE to support FAT32 file systems, if only for compatability reasons.
I'm not sure where the person above got his info that NTFS has no file size limitations...that is just false!
while NTFS has file limitations that we will probably never see/use(they are extremely large), the problem is that audio apps hard code the 2GB WAV limitation so we still effectively have to deal with the 2GB barrier even on the NTFS file system.
I personally dont know of any audio apps(on Win anyways) that will open/save a WAV file >2GB...thats why many people use the W64 format, or SDII(extended), instead of WAV for 24/96 files.
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Think somewhere during these 25 pages of Part IV we'll actually get a Microtracker in our hands to use? Man I hope so. :drool:
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I'm not sure where the person above got his info that NTFS has no file size limitations...that is just false!
Say what? The only limitations are on size of your disks, but have been verified to work up to 2TB. So NTFS has no limitations to a files size. Sorry to be off-topic!
"This flexible system allows files to be extended in size virtually indefinitely. In fact, under NTFS, there is no maximum file size. A single file can be made to take up the entire contents of a volume (less the space used for the MFT itself and other internal structures and overhead.)"
Quoted from: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/ntfs/filesSize-c.html
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Here's an email response on my inquiry into an updated firmware that addresses the 2gb file limitation.
"The 2 gig limit is a limitation of the file format (FAT32). We will a have a firmware update coming that will allow a continuous recording that will split at the 2 gig point.
-Aaron Raab
Email Support Specialist"
So it is coming...
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From the manual:
The MicroTrack 24/96 will automatically
assign a name to the file in the format “FILExxxx.eee” where xxxx is a number from 0001 to 9999 and eee is either “wav” or “mp3.”
There doesn't appear to be a way to change the file name by using just the MT. Presumably, the first file recorded will be named "FILE0001.wav". Now, when you're transfering the file from the CF card to an on-the-go drive, would it overwrite an existing FILE0001.wav file already present on the OTG drive? This would obviously be a big problem...
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Don't have a file of the same name on the OTG drive. The way I read it, the MT will continue naming the files from 0001 - 9999. I don't know about you, but I don't think I'll ever get to 9999.
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From the manual:
The MicroTrack 24/96 will automatically
assign a name to the file in the format “FILExxxx.eee” where xxxx is a number from 0001 to 9999 and eee is either “wav” or “mp3.”
There doesn't appear to be a way to change the file name by using just the MT. Presumably, the first file recorded will be named "FILE0001.wav". Now, when you're transfering the file from the CF card to an on-the-go drive, would it overwrite an existing FILE0001.wav file already present on the OTG drive? This would obviously be a big problem...
GREAT point bud, wow, thats a bummer man :'(
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what hes saying is, if you transfer your first set from the MT to your otg drive, it will be named 001, once you reformat the cf card and start the next set, that file name will be 001 also, since the microtracker would presumably see that file as the first since it is, it doesnt count how many sets you tape ;)
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Okay, I've been doing a few experiments here w/ my digital camera and my OTG drive. I took a pic, and loaded it into the drive. I then erased the camera memory, took another pic, and then loaded that into the drive. I was relieved to find that, even though the files had the same name, a new folder was created every time I uploaded the pics. So the same-named pics were in different folders. I expect the MT will do the same!
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Okay, I've been doing a few experiments here w/ my digital camera and my OTG drive. I took a pic, and loaded it into the drive. I then erased the camera memory, took another pic, and then loaded that into the drive. I was relieved to find that, even though the files had the same name, a new folder was created every time I uploaded the pics. So the same-named pics were in different folders. I expect the MT will do the same!
SWEET, HUGE +T man!
what kinda of OTG drive do you have? and how is it powered?
sounds like i wanna grab the same one, cause i bet not EVERY otg drive starts a new folder, tho i really have no clue ???
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Okay, I've been doing a few experiments here w/ my digital camera and my OTG drive. I took a pic, and loaded it into the drive. I then erased the camera memory, took another pic, and then loaded that into the drive. I was relieved to find that, even though the files had the same name, a new folder was created every time I uploaded the pics. So the same-named pics were in different folders. I expect the MT will do the same!
SWEET, HUGE +T man!
what kinda of OTG drive do you have? and how is it powered?
sounds like i wanna grab the same one, cause i bet not EVERY otg drive starts a new folder, tho i really have no clue ???
I have this OTG drive enclosure (http://www.digitaldingus.com/reviews/macally/macally250otg.php) and an 80GB Fujitsu HD (you can use any brand notebook HD you'd like), about $150 for both. This enclosure seems very robust, pretty much bulletproof. (figure of speech warning - don't actually shoot it! ;D ) It has an internal battery that lasts for 2 hours continuous use, plenty of time for our purposes. It is recharged either through the USB cord or an included AC cord.
I suspect every OTG drive will create a new folder every time, shouldn't be a problem. I was just freaking out there for a bit, I so want my MT to get here now! Or at least in time for the NOMAS show next friday.
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Here's an email response on my inquiry into an updated firmware that addresses the 2gb file limitation.
"The 2 gig limit is a limitation of the file format (FAT32). We will a have a firmware update coming that will allow a continuous recording that will split at the 2 gig point.
-Aaron Raab
Email Support Specialist"
So it is coming...
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Interesting.
So what is going to happen when you hit the 2 gig mark while recording before the new firmware that "is coming" is actually a reality?
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My guess is it'll stop.
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good beer there john, i drink it all of the time!
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It's definitely my go-to beer. ;D
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what hes saying is, if you transfer your first set from the MT to your otg drive, it will be named 001, once you reformat the cf card and start the next set, that file name will be 001 also, since the microtracker would presumably see that file as the first since it is, it doesnt count how many sets you tape ;)
Well, that would be silly. I have a four year old Sony mavica digicam and it remembers file names, so no matter what mini cdr i toss in it starts with the next file name that would be instead of starting over.
Regardless, i think the MicroTracker may replace my M1 for my birthday :D
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Back to the microdrives.. In addition to the higher battery consumption and heat, they will emit more RF than CF due to the motor, etc. No way to know without testing whether it will impact the analog input of the MT.
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These are the two emails I got from M-Audio today...
The MicroTrack formats media 512MB and under FAT 16.
Everything above that it formats FAT 32.
You can use the largest media you can find.
The longest "file" you can record is 2GB.
But you can record as many 2GB files as your media will support.
Jace Nuzback
Product Manager
M-Audio
Units have been shipped out.
They should be getting in to dealers within the next two weeks.
Jace
Oh and as of now you can go to guygraphics.com and pay $349 plus $6.67 UPS Ground... I've bought stuff from them before and they're very reputable.
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I couldn't find anything in the manual about a 2 gig limit.
I just found these two items.
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5d731b3127cce93a28fdf658e00000016109YasmzNrg)
8. Record Time Available: . . . . This is not an adjustable parameter—it merely shows the space available on the media in the
MicroTrack 24/96. When you select this option, it may take a moment to calculate the available
time and display on the screen. This information is provided to help you verify you will have
enough recording space before recording, and make a choice of which recording parameters to
use. If you see that you’re getting low on memory space, you can choose to use MP3 encoding
instead of WAV to yield smaller recordings. Keep in mind this feature only accounts for recording
space when determining record time—it does not account for battery life.
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I couldn't find anything in the manual about a 2 gig limit.
I just found these two items.
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5d731b3127cce93a28fdf658e00000016109YasmzNrg)
8. Record Time Available: . . . . This is not an adjustable parameter—it merely shows the space available on the media in the
MicroTrack 24/96. When you select this option, it may take a moment to calculate the available
time and display on the screen. This information is provided to help you verify you will have
enough recording space before recording, and make a choice of which recording parameters to
use. If you see that you’re getting low on memory space, you can choose to use MP3 encoding
instead of WAV to yield smaller recordings. Keep in mind this feature only accounts for recording
space when determining record time—it does not account for battery life.
Interesting that the table stops at 88.2?
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fwiw, the Oades unadervtised price beats anything i've seen so far.
what i'm wondering w/this 2gb file limit...is will there be continuous recording and new files created?
i'm sure this has been brought up already in the 100 pages of discussion, i'm just not going to dig for it.
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wont that be funny...if it doesn't. and we all buy this thing...and use it at 16bit.
d'oh!!!
BTW:..
can't get that Beer up here in New England. But I drank it once in FL, and loved it.
never heard of it before then
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fwiw, the Oades unadervtised price beats anything i've seen so far.
what i'm wondering w/this 2gb file limit...is will there be continuous recording and new files created?
it doesnt...as of now it wont seamlessly create a new file, so it will likely take a stop start activity like the R1 does today to deal with the 2 Gb limit until they program it into their firmware...which according to some messages posted a while back that is something they are working on with a future firmware release
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what i'm wondering w/this 2gb file limit...is will there be continuous recording and new files created?
i'm sure this has been brought up already in the 100 pages of discussion, i'm just not going to dig for it.
Have you been reading any of Part IV??? Besides the 100 other times this discussion has been brought up, it's overtaken the MT discussion. M-AUDIO has said there will be a firmware release at somepoint to address a 2gb limit. We just don't know if that's already happened, or if it's in the future....
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no I haven't read a single page. ever.
;-)
I thouht that was the firmware release issue...just wanted confirmation.
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Hi all,
very interesting discussion of m-audio micro-tracker ... I hope it will turn out as the long anticipated all-in-one box we tapers waited for so long ;o)) ...
Can anyone speculate about the ability to set track marks during recording ? Would be a nice feature ...
Anyway ... Thank you all for the information ... Hope M-Tracker will be out asap !
liverecording2004
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wont that be funny...if it doesn't. and we all buy this thing...and use it at 16bit.
d'oh!!!
I think just as intriguing will be how BT and archive deal with the sudden influx of 24-bit files. Then again, maybe people with do their own dithering to 16-bit first. Outside of a lot of us audio geeks, most people don't care if they get 24/16 bit files, WAV or MP3... Thus the sales of the iPod.
Wayne
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On M-Audio's own homepage for the MicroTrack they state:
"powered via USB, rechargeable lithium-ion battery or power supply (both included)"
On some other sites showing off the MicroTrack, such as the SonicState site for the video link... earlier in this thread it says:
"powered via USB, rechargeable lithium-ion battery (included) or optional power supply"
I sure HOPE that M-Audio does the right thing and includes the Plug-In Power as pictured earlier in this thread. I would think almost everybody would need the adapter right away anyway... and it would be crappy of M-Audio to meet a price point by making MANDATORY accessories "optional". Even if that was the case I'd sure want it to be clear when I bought the thing so it didn't arrive without being equipped for travel. They clearly state that it comes with a 64mb flash and you KNOW that's trash so you order a larger card at the same time (I did).
BTW does anybody know how to tell what compact flash cards will be compatible with this thing? I'd hope they ALL would, but I read about some people having problems with certain cards (such as Lexar 80X cards) in some devices. I have a 1GB Lexar 80x and it's been fine for me... but others say you should check compatibility... and considering the HUGE variance in the price of CF cards I'd like to know if a good deal is really a BAD deal...
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hey mattin - are you from st. louis?
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It's definitely my go-to beer. ;D
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Heh it's the PA Bud, lol ...
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after drinking yuengleng at coventry i must say that i liked it MUCH better than Bud. Hell it tasted just as good warm as it did cold. that's impressive!
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wont that be funny...if it doesn't. and we all buy this thing...and use it at 16bit.
d'oh!!!
I plan on using it at 16bit till I make the 24b jump with my recording setup and home system. For me I have no need for 24b and this will be perfect ...
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after drinking yuengleng at coventry i must say that i liked it MUCH better than Bud. Hell it tasted just as good warm as it did cold. that's impressive!
having one now ;D
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after drinking yuengleng at coventry i must say that i liked it MUCH better than Bud. Hell it tasted just as good warm as it did cold. that's impressive!
What doesn't taste better than Bud? :-X
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after drinking yuengleng at coventry i must say that i liked it MUCH better than Bud. Hell it tasted just as good warm as it did cold. that's impressive!
I just poke fun at it being in the tristate area, it is as common as Bud, of which I like neither, give me my Victory Hop Devil ... now back to the MT thread 8)
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<<what doesn't taste better than bud>>
busch, busch light, bud light, natural light.....you know....all the lesser AB beers :P
the real st. louis brewery is Schlafly.....oh yeah....jus thinking of the oatmeal stout has me thirsty ;D
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wont that be funny...if it doesn't. and we all buy this thing...and use it at 16bit.
d'oh!!!
I think just as intriguing will be how BT and archive deal with the sudden influx of 24-bit files. Then again, maybe people with do their own dithering to 16-bit first. Outside of a lot of us audio geeks, most people don't care if they get 24/16 bit files, WAV or MP3... Thus the sales of the iPod.
Wayne
I know I dither everything and seed it....and usually hold onto the 24/96 files for myself and circulate them to a few friends...because your right, very few of the general public can do anything with them...
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after drinking yuengleng at coventry i must say that i liked it MUCH better than Bud. Hell it tasted just as good warm as it did cold. that's impressive!
you know whats funny when I lived in jersey it was the common beer...the kind everyone had in their fridge, I move to NC and I had to smuggle the stuff in from DC since no one carried it...thank god yuengling bought a brewery in florida which extended their reach a bit!
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For those of you who ordered from djmart, where it used to say "usually ships in 2-3 weeks" it now says "usually ships in 5-7 days". Either they just got a shipment or are expecting one very soon!
I'm still hoping I get it by thursday for use friday. Apparently, it must be charged 6.5 hours before first use.
Anyone get a shipping notification for theirs yet?
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<<what doesn't taste better than bud>>
busch, busch light, bud light, natural light.....you know....all the lesser AB beers :P
the real st. louis brewery is Schlafly.....oh yeah....jus thinking of the oatmeal stout has me thirsty ;D
All of Germany will soon figure out just how much Budweiser sucks. They are the world cup sponsor, and will be the only beer served at the 2006 World Cup. I'm alREAdy hanging my head in shame for what they will say about "The King of Beers." Methinks the riots will be about the beer served....
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<<what doesn't taste better than bud>>
busch, busch light, bud light, natural light.....you know....all the lesser AB beers :P
the real st. louis brewery is Schlafly.....oh yeah....jus thinking of the oatmeal stout has me thirsty ;D
All of Germany will soon figure out just how much Budweiser sucks. They are the world cup sponsor, and will be the only beer served at the 2006 World Cup. I'm alREAdy hanging my head in shame for what they will say about "The King of Beers." Methinks the riots will be about the beer served....
Send some Belgian specialty beers: doubles and triples of the known brands... ;D ;D ;D
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All of Germany will soon figure out just how much Budweiser sucks. They are the world cup sponsor, and will be the only beer served at the 2006 World Cup. I'm alREAdy hanging my head in shame for what they will say about "The King of Beers." Methinks the riots will be about the beer served....
:lol:
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All of Germany will soon figure out just how much Budweiser sucks. They are the world cup sponsor, and will be the only beer served at the 2006 World Cup. I'm alREAdy hanging my head in shame for what they will say about "The King of Beers." Methinks the riots will be about the beer served....
Does Bud even meet the purity laws? Can you actually call it a beer?
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Aww c'mon, you can't tell me that if you go on the Brewery Tour and get your free two glasses of Bud at the end that it doesn't taste good... you get two 10 oz. glasses and you are F-ed up.
Yes, I'm in Saint Louis... hence the ATO code STL... and for local flavor I like Trailhead's Missouri Brown... I'm also a big fan of Guiness. I guess I just like darker beers the best... but Schlafley Pale Ale is pretty good too. Then again... I also like the Heifweissen... the cloudy, unfiltered beer with a slightly sweet taste. Jeez... now you guys have me freakin' for beer... that's sad.
Okay so how do we get back to the MicroTrack?
I already said that guygraphics.com has 'em for $349 plus $6.67 shipping... and did I add that you can get a Kingston Elite Pro 4 GB compact flash card (45x or 8 mb write and 10 mb read) from newegg.com for $213.56 shipped?
Did you also see my opening post that says the MicroTracks have SHIPPED from M-Audio already? I've been emailing back and forth with Jace at M-Audio and he's keeping me posted on this stuff. The only question I still have is if that Kingston card is any good... but I hope it is 'cause it's on the way!
And finally how do you guys plan to use it? What's the best place to get XLR to 1/4" adapters... or will you get cables with XLR at the mic and 1/4" at the MicroTrack?
Also do you plan to use the MicroTrack as a total stand-alone or will you feed it with a mixer/pre-amp? I've got a Sound Devices MM-1 that I plan to still use and feed the MicroTrack line-in... but that might be pointless... I guess we'll find out when it gets here.
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mattin - you should check out the "Team St. Louis" thread and introduce yourself. There's a few of us here in St. Louis and we get to tape together semi-frequently. +T glad to see we have another member of Team St. Louis :)
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bud...
my brotherinlaw calls it "red deliceous" :)
the curiosity is that it tastes the same and is equaly enjoyable at any temperature
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Thanks! I'm always glad to meet people with same interests.
Hey I also need to correct a bit of misinformation I have above... just by searching these threads I see that I coulda' got that Kingston card for $13 LESS by going to Dell.com and using coupon code: BSKWNFLX$9B704
That will get you the Kingston 4 GB card for $200.08 shipped. On the Dell site it says that coupon expires on the 15th of this month.
So is everybody else in Team STL getting a MicroTrack? Also wondering if anybody in Team STL has high-end recorders like Sound Devices stuff? Or Deva?
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i have a SD722. i think Steve(fobstl) is looking into getting a MicroTracker. not sure about scottt. I think he's sticking with the JB3 for now.
check in our team thread and let us know when you'll be out recording. I know steve, scott, and myself have very similar tastes in music so we find ourselves taping together for a lot of the bigger shows in town.
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I hope you guys don't mind getting me up to speed, as it were.
In the video forums I feel like a resident pro... and although audio for video is my passion... I feel totally out of place here. I don't have any experience with special recorders outside of a Marantz 670. I don't even know what's good or not... it's the MicroTrack that got me here... and it's clearly a "starter" jobbie... (that I hope will be good enough for my needs).
The SD72 isn't like the Sound Devices 722 is it? If that's the case then yeah, I'm a little ways under you guys! I hope you're of the opinion that the MicroTrack will be able to at least approach a respectable recording... even if it's not on the level of the "really pro" stuff.
BUT, I know in the audio for video forums that people pop in all the time and they want to hear that a $200 mic is as good as a $1000 mic... I don't want to sound like one of those people.
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I hope you guys don't mind getting me up to speed, as it were.
In the video forums I feel like a resident pro... and although audio for video is my passion... I feel totally out of place here. I don't have any experience with special recorders outside of a Marantz 670. I don't even know what's good or not... it's the MicroTrack that got me here... and it's clearly a "starter" jobbie... (that I hope will be good enough for my needs).
The SD72 isn't like the Sound Devices 722 is it? If that's the case then yeah, I'm a little ways under you guys! I hope you're of the opinion that the MicroTrack will be able to at least approach a respectable recording... even if it's not on the level of the "really pro" stuff.
BUT, I know in the audio for video forums that people pop in all the time and they want to hear that a $200 mic is as good as a $1000 mic... I don't want to sound like one of those people.
Yeah, he meant 722. I think the vast majority of these folks here have high hopes that it will be the replacement for DAT and will be an answered prayer. . I think all of them though are hanging on to their PRES and A/Ds because the idea is that for 399 bucks it may not be good as an all-in one. Itll only be as good as the mics and the user. Welcome buddy. Theres a ton of info here, a goldmine for all things taping related, and on any other subject you ask about. We have lawyers, engineers, sound techs, A/V guys, musicians, doctors, insurance reps, military folks...pretty much run the gamut ..so youve come to the right place. Good luck man.
+T teddy
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One thing I was wondering about, why do all you people keep calling this thing a MicroTracker (even the subject of this 4th thread!), when M-Audio has named it 'MicroTrack 24/96'?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Roel
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One thing I was wondering about, why do all you people keep calling this thing a MicroTracker (even the subject of this 4th thread!), when M-Audio has named it 'MicroTrack 24/96'?
Maybe because the original name was flash tracker?
Also there may be lingo-related reasons rfor using tracker instead of track?
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For those of you who ordered from djmart, where it used to say "usually ships in 2-3 weeks" it now says "usually ships in 5-7 days". Either they just got a shipment or are expecting one very soon!
I'm still hoping I get it by thursday for use friday. Apparently, it must be charged 6.5 hours before first use.
Anyone get a shipping notification for theirs yet?
I also ordered from DJMart and waiting for the shipment notfication. My gut feeling is DJMart will be receiving their shipment either Monday or Tuesday as the company is located in the Los Angeles area where M-Audio has their distribution center, so it should only take a day for them to receive the shipment. GuyGraphics.com also has a shipping warehouse in L.A., and they're receiving their shipment of Microtracks on Monday.
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One thing I was wondering about, why do all you people keep calling this thing a MicroTracker (even the subject of this 4th thread!), when M-Audio has named it 'MicroTrack 24/96'?
Maybe because the original name was flash tracker?
Also there may be lingo-related reasons rfor using tracker instead of track?
Its just something that we got used to. Hell it's probably my fault not using the offical name. Toma-to, To-mato
Actually its almost kinda like First Snow - Party At Your Mama's House You just get used to what you first started calling it.
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Three Newb Questions for you all:
(1) Does the UA5 supply phantom? Is a UA5 both a Pre and an A/D? Or do I need a seperate A/D with a UA5? Next, can you still buy new UA5's digimodded from Oade? Last, can the UA5 do 24/96?
(2) So, if the MT works out, this setup would probably be a pretty good one (maybe not as good as a V3, but pretty good nonetheless): C4 > UA5 > MT. I should be able to do 24/96 with that chain shouldn't I? Anyway, I think this might end up being my first rig. The C4s are economical but still pretty good, the UA5 is also economical, pretty good, has pre/ad/phantom/digi-outs (I think?), but the MT is still unproven, but shouldn't have too much trouble taking a straight digi input (you'd think). So, what do you guys think of this plan as a (slightly more serious) starter rig?
(3) I'm somewhat torn about the MT because I'm thinking if the MT works out well, I'll bet a bunch of used JB3s in good condition become available on the secondary market at really good prices. If that does happen, maybe a newbie like myself is better off going with a JB3 out of the gate rather than the MT. The downside is 16-bit only (I think), but the upside is a proven piece of hardware that has been field-tested a bunch and also that it has a big HD. Seems like a tough decision, because I'd rather get it right out of the gate than just end up wanting an MT a month later. Thoughts?
Thanks...
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Three Newb Questions for you all:
(1) Does the UA5 supply phantom? Is a UA5 both a Pre and an A/D? Or do I need a seperate A/D with a UA5? Next, can you still buy new UA5's digimodded from Oade? Last, can the UA5 do 24/96?
(2) So, if the MT works out, this setup would probably be a pretty good one (maybe not as good as a V3, but pretty good nonetheless): C4 > UA5 > MT. I should be able to do 24/96 with that chain shouldn't I? Anyway, I think this might end up being my first rig. The C4s are economical but still pretty good, the UA5 is also economical, pretty good, has pre/ad/phantom/digi-outs (I think?), but the MT is still unproven, but shouldn't have too much trouble taking a straight digi input (you'd think). So, what do you guys think of this plan as a (slightly more serious) starter rig?
(3) I'm somewhat torn about the MT because I'm thinking if the MT works out well, I'll bet a bunch of used JB3s in good condition become available on the secondary market at really good prices. If that does happen, maybe a newbie like myself is better off going with a JB3 out of the gate rather than the MT. The downside is 16-bit only (I think), but the upside is a proven piece of hardware that has been field-tested a bunch and also that it has a big HD. Seems like a tough decision, because I'd rather get it right out of the gate than just end up wanting an MT a month later. Thoughts?
1. the UA5 is a preamp and a/d and it can provide phantom power if needed. you will need a digimod to use without a computer(ie, run digitally directly to dat, mt, etc...) I'm almost fairly certain the Oade has sold out of their stock of UA5. they should still mod units originally purchased from Oade.yes, the UA5 can output 24/96.
2. yes, the C4 > UA5 > MT should be a very decent rig.
3. yes the JB3 is 16bit only. it should also be noted that the JB3 has been discontinued(for how long I'm not sure) so in the future it may be dificult to repair. JB3 vs MT is ultimately up to you. with the MT you will be able to instantly upgrade to 24/96 when your home playback is ready. myself, I will still cary a M1(dat) with me for the time being(at least until the MT has proven itself reliable) and will probably run the MT @ 16bit for the near future.
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Three Newb Questions for you all:
(1) Does the UA5 supply phantom? Is a UA5 both a Pre and an A/D? Or do I need a seperate A/D with a UA5? Next, can you still buy new UA5's digimodded from Oade? Last, can the UA5 do 24/96?
(2) So, if the MT works out, this setup would probably be a pretty good one (maybe not as good as a V3, but pretty good nonetheless): C4 > UA5 > MT. I should be able to do 24/96 with that chain shouldn't I? Anyway, I think this might end up being my first rig. The C4s are economical but still pretty good, the UA5 is also economical, pretty good, has pre/ad/phantom/digi-outs (I think?), but the MT is still unproven, but shouldn't have too much trouble taking a straight digi input (you'd think). So, what do you guys think of this plan as a (slightly more serious) starter rig?
(3) I'm somewhat torn about the MT because I'm thinking if the MT works out well, I'll bet a bunch of used JB3s in good condition become available on the secondary market at really good prices. If that does happen, maybe a newbie like myself is better off going with a JB3 out of the gate rather than the MT. The downside is 16-bit only (I think), but the upside is a proven piece of hardware that has been field-tested a bunch and also that it has a big HD. Seems like a tough decision, because I'd rather get it right out of the gate than just end up wanting an MT a month later. Thoughts?
Thanks...
Id say get the JB3, get a feel for taping...let all the folks here be guinea pigs.for the MT..you may decide that you dont even like taping 6 months from now...so why spend more if you dont even know if youre going to be digging it? (and I got the same questions too when I bought the 722...luckily..the bug bit me hard)..seriously,,,id suggest picking up that combo from Great Gumbino..cuz youd have an OADE mod ua5 and c4s..which both keep their value...oade ua5 especially since they dont sell them anymore. plus the ua5 gives you ability to run two mics, AND a board feed into the back (matrix). I wouldnt buy an MT till after a few months of people running it...after firmware updates..bug fixes, etc...plus with the jb3...youve got a ton of people here with plenty of experience running them...troubleshooting will be a breeze here..then upgrade after youve gotten a groove established..another thing about MT...do you have a playback system that would justify the 24/96 jump right off the bat??I didnt..and its hurting me..so Im building one now...
my vote is PMOD ua5/c4s from Great Gumbino and a jb3. oh and a SVU2 or 1(level meter)
upgrade later.
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As always around here, great advice from everyone. Thanks a lot for answering my questions. This website has been a godsend from the very first day I found it back a few weeks. Like any smart newb, after reading tons of old posts here (and elsewhere), it seems I've learned more than I thought I would have by now. So thanks again for that...
>you may decide that you dont even like taping 6 months from now.
Thing is, I've got a pretty major investment ($$) in guerilla VIDEO gear already (kinda like the hardcore tapers around here have with audio gear), and the new audio gear I purchase is really intended to complement my video setup, but I also want to get something that can work as a stand alone audio recording setup too. So anyway, point is, I'm already gone when it comes to being in to this shit video-wise, but the pro audio taping side of things is an area I'm weak in that I'm looking to build out in my "toolkit" of gear. I'm looking at it as a long-term investment. So that's why I would consider just going for it with the MT. On the other hand, I hear you on all your points, and considering there might be a few on the market and I'm probably going to run 16-bit anyway, the JB3 makes a lot of sense (and is much cheaper than 400+200=600 for a working MT). I'm torn. But, we'll see how it holds up over the next few weeks, and then I'll decide. :)
>AND a board feed into the back (matrix).
So are there 3 seperate inputs/tracks on the UA5? Or can you mix two channels or something? How does that work? Or are you talking about the two extra tracks of 16/48 I can get out of my videocam?
>plus with the jb3...youve got a ton of people here with plenty of experience running them
That's a really good point. But it this MT works out, it looks like even a newb like me could easily run the thing? Again, tough call... <SMILE>
> do you have a playback system that would justify the 24/96 jump right off the bat??
I've got a sweet home theatre setup with a pretty cherry DVD player that can upres to 720p and I'm pretty sure it can play SACD, but I've never tried it before. Is SACD 24-bit? I have a fully-dialed 5.1 surround system that can play DD and DTS. Are DD/DTS 24-bit? Help me out here. A normal CD runs at 16/44 or 16/48 or something like that? What does SACD run at? And are there other formats, something like DVD-A. What's the difference? Right now, I can also burn full res widscreen NTSC DV video to DVDs using AC3 files for the sound. It usually sounds great. Can AC3 play 24 bit?
Also, I, like you, also plan on running mostly 16/48 for the near term because my videocam runs audio at 16/48, and it just makes things a little easier in post to have the same formats when mixing different audio sources. And since CD's run in 16-bit and the file sizes are smaller, I'll probably just stick to 16-bit for now. But it would be fun to have the potential to dabble in 24-bit stuff here and there I think. If I go the UA5>MT route, I could do that, but if I go the UA5>JB3 route, I couldn't. Such a tough call, because I am REALISTIC about the fact that I'll mostly cap 16-bit.
my vote is PMOD ua5/c4s from Great Gumbino and a jb3. oh and a SVU2 or 1(level meter)
What is the "P" mod anyway. I barely undstand all of that. I know there is the transparent mod, the warm mod, plus mods... Also, that's another thing, albeit a small thing, is the level meter. Maybe, just maybe the MT's levels are going to be awesome? That'd be one more reason to just splurge on it now, rather than go JB3 > upgrade path? Hmmm... :0
If I could +T you guys, I would in a heartbeat. Thanks again, you've given me more food for thought. I'm itching to start buying stuff, and I'm getting really close, but I'm not quite there in terms of exactly what gear I want to buy.
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Hey I've read some concerns that people may have regarding compact flash compatibility and I emailed Jace at M-Audio to get a report on that... here's what he said:
From all of the testing we've done, you should be able to use almost
anything. Higher speeds are not required.
Jace
So the $200 Kensington 4 GB CF that we're all getting should be absolutely fine. Now I hope the rumors of Dell shipping slow are just that... rumors!
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Got my card from Dell in about 5 days.
jerry
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Same here- it was inexpensive and quick turn. The problem I had was in using it with my HP Ipaq H5555 (another 'satisfied' PD-Audio customer ;-) and my Ipaq was looking for a driver. When I called Kinston they stated that it isn't compatable- weird. I then Called HP and they weren't aware of any specific vendor limitation, so I'm doing the rope a dope unless I go with their Sandisk recommendation (HP's). Anyway, I'll have to wait for the MT to get in hopefully from Cascasde this coming week to see how it works. I'll keep it if it does work with the MT and just shine my PD-Audio if this thing works as speculated. I've had too many issues with trying to get 24/96 out of the PD-Audio, and now seeing that the best I can consistently get is 24/88.2 this should be an upgrade to a very frustrating experience with PD-Audio.
Got my card from Dell in about 5 days.
jerry
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Thanks for the replies guys... I definitely wondered if I should have tried the PDAudio thing out first... and I've read too many compaints about various issues.
In case you didn't realize... all the quotes I'm putting up signed "jace" are from Jace Nuzback... the product manager for M-Audio... so if he says "no worries" on the compatibility issue then I'd say don't worry about it... I'm sure the CF cards (we all ordered) will be fine.
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As always around here, great advice from everyone. Thanks a lot for answering my questions. This website has been a godsend from the very first day I found it back a few weeks. Like any smart newb, after reading tons of old posts here (and elsewhere), it seems I've learned more than I thought I would have by now. So thanks again for that... .
No problem...im glad to help out...paying it forward i guess.im in my own pickle right now..know how it is.
Thing is, I've got a pretty major investment ($$) in guerilla VIDEO gear already (kinda like the hardcore tapers around here have with audio gear), and the new audio gear I purchase is really intended to complement my video setup, but I also want to get something that can work as a stand alone audio recording setup too. So anyway, point is, I'm already gone when it comes to being in to this shit video-wise, but the pro audio taping side of things is an area I'm weak in that I'm looking to build out in my "toolkit" of gear. I'm looking at it as a long-term investment. So that's why I would consider just going for it with the MT. On the other hand, I hear you on all your points, and considering there might be a few on the market and I'm probably going to run 16-bit anyway, the JB3 makes a lot of sense (and is much cheaper than 400+200=600 for a working MT). I'm torn. But, we'll see how it holds up over the next few weeks, and then I'll decide. :)
yeah, true there..you know already how much of an addiction hobbies can be.
So are there 3 seperate inputs/tracks on the UA5? Or can you mix two channels or something? How does that work? Or are you talking about the two extra tracks of 16/48 I can get out of my videocam?
there are two normal XLR inputs on the front of the box...and two RCA(I think it is RCA) inputs in the back..so you can run a board patch or two additional mics into those ..just need the correct adapters..those inputs on the back are controlled by one TINY gain pot ..and it can be problematic...there is a gain pot mod though..just type it in search
That's a really good point. But it this MT works out, it looks like even a newb like me could easily run the thing? Again, tough call... <SMILE>
true.. but if its a POS..youve just lost more dough. youll have to deal with the hassle of sending it back..then trying to get another recorder, etc...the jb3 is proven.
. Is SACD 24-bit? DD and DTS. Are DD/DTS 24-bit? Help me out here. What does SACD run at? And are there other formats, something like DVD-A. What's the difference? Right now, I can also burn full res widscreen NTSC DV video to DVDs using AC3 files for the sound. It usually sounds great. Can AC3 play 24 bit?
SACD uses DSD encoding(direct stream digital: 1-bit technology that samples music at the rate of 2.82 million times per second, compared to standard CD's rate of 44,100 times per second)
DD(dolby digital) and dts(dolby theatre system) are both compressed formats...so no..they arent 24 bits..
DVD-A doesnt use any sort of compression...24/96 format..you can get audio dvd creator and create a disk that can be played on any dvd a capable plaer.(type in audio dvd creator in google)
AC3 is compressed. No 24 bit. CDs are 16/44.1
What is the "P" mod anyway. I barely undstand all of that. I know there is the transparent mod, the warm mod, plus mods... Also, that's another thing, albeit a small thing, is the level meter. Maybe, just maybe the MT's levels are going to be awesome? That'd be one more reason to just splurge on it now, rather than go JB3 > upgrade path? Hmmm... :0
Presence mod...gives it a more "up front in your face sort of sound..Noone knows about the MT meters..maybe they will rock..maybe the whole thing will be a POS. An assumption doesnt sound like a good reason to splurge to me...none of us know much about it. once again..jb3 is proven...the MT will still be around.(getting bugs worked out maybe)..the jb3 wont after a while...and as it is proven...and supposing the MT isnt...what then???
If I could +T you guys, I would in a heartbeat. Thanks again, you've given me more food for thought. I'm itching to start buying stuff, and I'm getting really close, but I'm not quite there in terms of exactly what gear I want to buy.
none needed. They dont mean anything.
Id get the ua5 and c4s bud...
somebody else will if you dont...you gotta be quick round here.
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M-AUDIO has said there will be a firmware release at somepoint to address a 2gb limit. We just don't know if that's already happened, or if it's in the future....
I don't have time or patience to read back through 5,000 MicroTracker posts, but I feel the need to chip in with some caveat emptor action. Given my past personal experience with M-Audio, this comment above regarding a future firmware upgrade troubles me. I called them to try and solve a driver issue when I bought a DiO 2448 years ago...Their customer service in that instance was, shall we say, quite underwhelming. And IMHO the software packages for the M-Audio products I've used (2448 and 2496) are clunky at best, maddening and unreliable at worst. I'll probably end up owning one of these things someday :-\, but I find it hard to imagine that M-Audio is going to get this product to market wthout some performance hiccups. (As is par for the course in this field.) Hope I'm off base on this. Just my 2 beans in the pot. But I hope it provides some motivation for people to think about running backup devices, if possible for a while. I hate losing good pulls.
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M-AUDIO has said there will be a firmware release at somepoint to address a 2gb limit. We just don't know if that's already happened, or if it's in the future....
I don't have time or patience to read back through 5,000 MicroTracker posts, but I feel the need to chip in with some caveat emptor action. Given my past personal experience with M-Audio, this comment above regarding a future firmware upgrade troubles me. I called them to try and solve a driver issue when I bought a DiO 2448 years ago...Their customer service in that instance was, shall we say, quite underwhelming. And IMHO the software packages for the M-Audio products I've used (2448 and 2496) are clunky at best, maddening and unreliable at worst. I'll probably end up owning one of these things someday :-\, but I find it hard to imagine that M-Audio is going to get this product to market wthout some performance hiccups. (As is par for the course in this field.) Hope I'm off base on this. Just my 2 beans in the pot. But I hope it provides some motivation for people to think about running backup devices, if possible for a while. I hate losing good pulls.
I think a lot of folks here are planning on running two sources up until their satisfied with the results of the MT. I myself will be splitting the line out of my Lemosax and running both the MT and my M1. I don't think anyone will risk loosing a good pull on an unproven machine just yet.
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I don't think anyone will risk loosing a good pull on an unproven machine just yet.
Plus, my experience has been that it really takes a few shows under your belt with new gear to get a handle on how to run it to get the best performance from it.
Wayne
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interesting article i found:
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable/hitting-rec-with-a-dap-124875.php
That new iPod Nano is cute and all, but high-quality recording capability is still missing, meaning you can’t record your band / DJ set / podcast / Phish concert. :yack: The iPodLinux project helps out “vintage” iPod owners, but it’s still lagging when it comes to support for minis and 4G iPods, let alone Nanos. So, what’s the perfect solution for recording mic, line, and digital ins as lossless media?
You could plug your iPod Nano (or any other USB player, hard drive, or USB key) into Gemini’s new iKey, but it’s big,clunky, costs $200, and still won’t record digital in or mics. The best candidate for the moment is the M-Audio MicroTrack 2496, which became available this summer (previously on Gizmodo).
Of course, the real question is why Apple hasn’t added this capability, when at least line in is available on competitors. Mic input would be tricky, line in and digital in are a cinch. Come on, Apple. Sure, the record industry might gripe, but just unleash celebs like U2, Black Eyed Peas, BT, and Madonna on them. I bet they’d love a recording iPod. -P. Kirn
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DVD-A doesnt use any sort of compression...24/96 format..you can get audio dvd creator and create a disk that can be played on any dvd a capable plaer.(type in audio dvd creator in google)
DVD-A's can have MLP compression (lossless), especially in multi-channel recordings, to save space and/or keep the bitrate low enough.
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jeesh, the MT threads are going to start giving the team colorado threads a run for their money. i skip a weekend and i'm 10 pages behind.
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DVD-A doesnt use any sort of compression...24/96 format..you can get audio dvd creator and create a disk that can be played on any dvd a capable plaer.(type in audio dvd creator in google)
DVD-A's can have MLP compression (lossless), especially in multi-channel recordings, to save space and/or keep the bitrate low enough.
yep youre right. thanks for the correction.
Teddy
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2448 years ago...
Awesome. What were you recording, location stuff for the Peloponnesian War? ;D
Jeff
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While we're waiting for more Real News... (anyone heard from Frank, btw?)
Samsung has announced their 16 gigabit flash chips. Expect 32 GB flash cards in the second half of 2006.
http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050912_000100.html
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Wow... that's some amazing sh*t. Suddenly I'm not so excited about my 4 GB card. ;D
I wish somebody would get so much performance packed into a freakin' battery! Storage and speed technology just keeps breakin' through the roof and yet batteries... which makes it all possible... move at about a 10th the rate of progress. ::)
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But I hope it provides some motivation for people to think about running backup devices, if possible for a while. I hate losing good pulls.
Already planned to keep running a DAT copy till I am confident of the MT, makes sense to me 8)
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I think I'll always run a JB3 back-up in open situations. That's what I do know when taping with a lappie.
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yeah i'm definitely going to be running jb3 (and maybe even dat for the important shows) as backup until i'm comfortable with this thing.
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As soon as I get the MicroTrack my JB3 will be gone. I don't really have the option of running backup so I hope it works great out of the box. ;)
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yeah i'm definitely going to be running jb3 (and maybe even dat for the important shows) as backup until i'm comfortable with this thing.
It will be interesting to hear the difference between the two when doing this, since I don't think the MT allows the digital signal to be different than the device (if recording at 16-bit, 16-bit is the digital output, if recording at 24-bit, 24-bit is the digital output). If this is the case, then there might be quite a bit of difference between the two sources when recording at 24-bit.
Wayne
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As soon as I get the MicroTrack my JB3 will be gone. I don't really have the option of running backup so I hope it works great out of the box. ;)
I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one throwing all my eggs into one basket.
All this talk about backup recorders and I'm thinking, "hmm... maybe I shouldn't have sold all my minidisc recorders two seconds after I saw this thing..." :P
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All this talk about backup recorders and I'm thinking, "hmm... maybe I shouldn't have sold all my minidisc recorders two seconds after I saw this thing..." :P
No, that was a good move. ;)
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As soon as I get the MicroTrack my JB3 will be gone. I don't really have the option of running backup so I hope it works great out of the box. ;)
Yup! The laptop is going to be staying home. ;D
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What pre can run a 16bit signal to dat and a 24bit to MT, both in 48? I know my V3 won't do that. I'd like to run either a JB3 or dat backup all the time, not just in the begining.
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I'm going to use the R1 as a backup until I see how the a/d's compare - nothing like having 2 24-bit recorders roughly the size of 2 d100's :)
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What pre can run a 16bit signal to dat and a 24bit to MT, both in 48? I know my V3 won't do that. I'd like to run either a JB3 or dat backup all the time, not just in the begining.
I believe the ad2k+ does
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What pre can run a 16bit signal to dat and a 24bit to MT, both in 48? I know my V3 won't do that. I'd like to run either a JB3 or dat backup all the time, not just in the begining.
ad2k?
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The UA-5 will allow for an analog signal to be taken out via RCA. It's not a digi signal, but at least you'll have a copy of the show at the end.
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What pre can run a 16bit signal to dat and a 24bit to MT, both in 48? I know my V3 won't do that. I'd like to run either a JB3 or dat backup all the time, not just in the begining.
all you'd have to do is split the signal coming out of the preamp. in this testing scenario, the 24bit and 16bit a/d conversions would be handled by the microtracker and jb3, respectively... or a more desirable 24bit and 16bit a/d converter. but you're right, no device can output both that i know of.
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.. or a more desirable 24bit and 16bit a/d converter. but you're right, no device can output both that i know of.
No, this is one of those little advertised features of the Benchmark/Sonic Sense AD2K+. It allows you to output both a 24-bit and 16-bit signal though it's digital outputs.
Wayne
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What pre can run a 16bit signal to dat and a 24bit to MT, both in 48? I know my V3 won't do that. I'd like to run either a JB3 or dat backup all the time, not just in the begining.
Another option for folks with a D100 or M1 is to run their A/D at 24 bits for the MT and also send the digital signal to the D100/M1. According to Doug Oade, the D100/M1 accepts 20 bits and then uses tdf dithering to dither the 20 bit signal to 16 bits. So in this case the D100/M1 would truncate the 24 bit signal to 20 bits and then use tdf to dither the 20bit signal to 16bits. The extra 4 bits at 20bits should be plenty to get a good dithered 16 bit signal, so folks with the D100/M1 could get a good 16 bit backup to the 24bit MT no matter what A/D they had.
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.. or a more desirable 24bit and 16bit a/d converter. but you're right, no device can output both that i know of.
No, this is one of those little advertised features of the Benchmark/Sonic Sense AD2K+. It allows you to output both a 24-bit and 16-bit signal though it's digital outputs.
Wayne
That would do the job, but an expensive option. What would be a good pre to run in front?
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.. or a more desirable 24bit and 16bit a/d converter. but you're right, no device can output both that i know of.
No, this is one of those little advertised features of the Benchmark/Sonic Sense AD2K+. It allows you to output both a 24-bit and 16-bit signal though it's digital outputs.
Wayne
That would do the job, but an expensive option. What would be a good pre to run in front?
V2
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What pre can run a 16bit signal to dat and a 24bit to MT, both in 48? I know my V3 won't do that. I'd like to run either a JB3 or dat backup all the time, not just in the begining.
Another option for folks with a D100 or M1 is to run their A/D at 24 bits for the MT and also send the digital signal to the D100/M1. According to Doug Oade, the D100/M1 accepts 20 bits and then uses tdf dithering to dither the 20 bit signal to 16 bits. So in this case the D100/M1 would truncate the 24 bit signal to 20 bits and then use tdf to dither the 20bit signal to 16bits. The extra 4 bits at 20bits should be plenty to get a good dithered 16 bit signal, so folks with the D100/M1 could get a good 16 bit backup to the 24bit MT no matter what A/D they had.
This sounds nice. Run the V3 coax out into the MT and what output into an M1? I sometimes run the AES1 out to 7pin. That should do it, no?
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.. or a more desirable 24bit and 16bit a/d converter. but you're right, no device can output both that i know of.
No, this is one of those little advertised features of the Benchmark/Sonic Sense AD2K+. It allows you to output both a 24-bit and 16-bit signal though it's digital outputs.
Wayne
That would do the job, but an expensive option. What would be a good pre to run in front?
V2
That's what I thought. But I've been having the AKG>V3 brittle high end problem that's been a hot topic here lately.
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.. or a more desirable 24bit and 16bit a/d converter. but you're right, no device can output both that i know of.
No, this is one of those little advertised features of the Benchmark/Sonic Sense AD2K+. It allows you to output both a 24-bit and 16-bit signal though it's digital outputs.
Wayne
That would do the job, but an expensive option. What would be a good pre to run in front?
psp-2 ;)
;) ;D
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if you have the v3 set at 24bit and have the coax out to the mt, and the optical out to the jb3, the jb3 version will just be truncated right?
i'd personally test the mt a bit at home before i take it out. i'll prolly only run the jb3 a couple of times after i get the mt tho, and for those times the truncated version shouldn't be too bad, will it?
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This sounds nice. Run the V3 coax out into the MT and what output into an M1? I sometimes run the AES1 out to 7pin. That should do it, no?
Yep, that would do it. I forget which AES is which on the V3, but without looking it up, I think that AES1 can be set to consumer status and AES2 is always pro. But either work with the M1 since the M1 is pro and ignores SCMS anyway.
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well, personally i'm not going to be recording 24-bit right away. i intend to use this as a jb3/dat replacement until i have more invested in playback gear and storage to fully appreciate and capture the 24-bit recordings. i rarely find time to track out my shows in the first place, let alone go through time-intensive dither/resampling...that's why i quit laptop taping a while back. it's great to know i have the option, but i'm going to stay at 16-bit for the time being. plus who knows how the 2gb limit is going to affect 24-bit recording at first.
i do have my sbm-1 still, although i'm thinking of selling it since the v3 output tends to be pretty hot for the sbm-1 and it's either brickwall the sbm-1 or run the v3 levels lower than i want to...i could use that as a/d from v3 for the 16-bit devices while running v3 at 24-bit. maybe i'll pickup a separate a/d unit when the time comes.
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This suspense is killing me! >:(
You know you have issues when you have to check your email every 5 minutes to see if Frank has any good news! ;D ;)
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Pfff... ::) tell me about it.
I ordered mine from guygraphics and I feel like I know Clayton Guy at this point...
I keep thinking that I'M the one that's going get to make the announcement! You know, the one where I say, "Ha! My MicroTrack is ON THE WAY..." what? False alarm... let's see if some dope reads that little bit and runs with it.
I've checked my email and THIS thread all day waiting to see some confirmation... and so far nothing!
I'm still waiting on an email from Jace Huzback to see if the MicroTrack will seamlessly run over the 2GB limit and start a new file name or how will it handle that?
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" it is not clear if the Microtrackers S/PDIF input is bit accurate or not. " ??? Doug Oade said this the other day and I don't know what he means by it. Any quesses?
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" it is not clear if the Microtrackers S/PDIF input is bit accurate or not. " ??? Doug Oade said this the other day and I don't know what he means by it. Any quesses?
It means that alot of the less expensive sound cards like the Creative SoundBlaster cards resample the digital signal on input. They do not record the exact digital signal being fed to them. Other cards like the Echo MIA and M-Audio 24/96 do not resample and receive/record the exact signal fed to it.
I thin Doug is just being a little pessimistic about this. I would be SHOCKED if M-Audio has set it up to always resample but again we will not know until someone has one in their hands.
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how would we know ???
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" it is not clear if the Microtrackers S/PDIF input is bit accurate or not. " ??? Doug Oade said this the other day and I don't know what he means by it. Any quesses?
It means that alot of the less expensive sound cards like the Creative SoundBlaster cards resample the digital signal on input. They do not record the exact digital signal being fed to them. Other cards like the Echo MIA and M-Audio 24/96 do not resample and receive/record the exact signal fed to it.
I thin Doug is just being a little pessimistic about this. I would be SHOCKED if M-Audio has set it up to always resample but again we will not know until someone has one in their hands.
I would really find it hard to believe they would release the tracker like that.
Like you I would be shocked as well. Seems to make no sense as to why make it work harder.
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+t for referencing the Peloponnesian War. ;D
2448 years ago...
Awesome. What were you recording, location stuff for the Peloponnesian War? ;D
Jeff
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what about their other cheap i/o gear? that might suggest the plotted course here.
we'll see soon enough.
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I've read the manual and kept up with the threads. Here are some M-audio questions that I haven't found answers to. The specific gain levels of the pre-amp stage seem to be missing from the manual.
1. In what increment can you adjust the input gain?
2. Is the input gain implemented via a traditional analog level increase or is it done digitally?
3. How many dB are added at each L, M, H setting?
4. Are any auto-level control or clip limiting functions planned in the future?
From the manual (page 6), this suggests that the 1/8 input does most of what the TRS input does (other than phantom):
17. L/M/H Switch: Sets the operating mode of the 1/4" TRS and 1/8" inputs. Use the `L' position for line-level devices. The `M' position
should be used when recording from microphones. The `H' position uses a higher gain stage on the 1/4" TRS inputs, which can
help when recording quiet signals or using microphones with low output levels. The `H' position does not boost the input gain of
the 1/8" input.
I run my 4061's with an SP 9 volt battery box.. I need to decide whether they're going into the 1/8" input or the 1/4 input and make the appropriate cable..
What I'm guessing: L, M and H are analog gain stages. But is the fine-tuning after that digital or analog? The menu has an optional 27dB DIGITAL boost in addition to what is available from the LMH settings (page 8). That is the only instance where they mention DIGITAL gain, so I'd hope it is otherwise analog.
Every AT8XX, DPA 406X, etc MT taper would like to skip running an external battery box. I remember Doug mentioning that the dpa bbox is actually 6 volts. Anyone know? It would be nice to run it straight into the MT, either with the existing 5volt power or with a mod to provide something more optimal. That'd be a good mod for someone to work on.
Who will be the first ts.com member to run 4061's into this thing, with and without bbox?
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what about their other cheap i/o gear? that might suggest the plotted course here.
we'll see soon enough.
Yeah but it's only their cheapest of the cheap that resamples. I wouldn't put this on that level. ;)
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and theyre calling it a 'professional' model
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Just finished chatting with someone at DJMart. They're expecting their shipment of Microtracks to arrive by Wednesday. Man, that's cutting it close for me. I'm out of town next week for a couple U2 shows in Chicago and NEED to have this by Friday so I can take it with me and record the shows. May need to bite the bullet and spend the extra $$ to upgrade the shipping to 2nd day delivery.
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Just finished chatting with someone at DJMart. They're expecting their shipment of Microtracks to arrive by Wednesday. Man, that's cutting it close for me. I'm out of town next week for a couple U2 shows in Chicago and NEED to have this by Friday so I can take it with me and record the shows. May need to bite the bullet and spend the extra $$ to upgrade the shipping to 2nd day delivery.
Make sure you hook U2RocksMYworld up with the good audio so he mux it with his video and sell more on ebay. :P
:kidding:
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Are you going to roll in mp3 to let us know how good the mp3 encoding is? ;D
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Hello Martin,
The M-Audio Microtrack 24/96 will be available to ship by the end of this week. M-Audio is a couple of weeks late on this, but this new product is landing very shortly.
Thank you,
DJ MART - a division of ProAudio America
www.djmart.com
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Are you going to roll in mp3 to let us know how good the mp3 encoding is? ;D
Everyones got jokes today! :cheers: +T in 12 smart ass. ;)
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The M-Audio Microtrack 24/96 will be available to ship by the end of this week. M-Audio is a couple of weeks late on this, but this new product is landing very shortly.
Wednesday sure sounds a helluva lot better than end of the week. The earlier the better. I'd like to take the MT to a bar or other live local music venue and get some recordings done at different settings, getting the experimenting out of the way before I tackle a gig I don't want to mess up badly, like U2.
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how would we know ???
Feed it a digital signal with a V3 or other A/D with multiple digital outs. Record one digital out to the MT and the other to a known good device. Compare in a wave editor.
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how would we know ???
Feed it a digital signal with a V3 or other A/D with multiple digital outs. Record one digital out to the MT and the other to a known good device. Compare in a wave editor.
wavelab and eac both have nice wav comparers
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i don't know whats been more hyped, this or the 722.
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i don't know whats been more hyped, this or the 722.
Well let's hope this doesn't have the problems that the 722 has. :banging head:
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yeah - i'm going to be patient and wait a while. let all of you guys test it out and tell me if i should buy it or not ;D
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yeah - i'm going to be patient and wait a while. let all of you guys test it out and tell me if i should buy it or not ;D
same here ;D
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yeah - i'm going to be patient and wait a while. let all of you guys test it out and tell me if i should buy it or not ;D
same here ;D
Ditto T+ to team wait it out.
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yeah - i'm going to be patient and wait a while. let all of you guys test it out and tell me if i should buy it or not ;D
same here ;D
Ditto T+ to team wait it out.
backatcha!
welcome back home jeff ;D
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backatcha. i figure by the new year 4gb cf cards will be under $150 too, might as well hold out if i can. i still like my jb3.
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i don't know whats been more hyped, this or the 722.
Well let's hope this doesn't have the problems that the 722 has. :banging head:
had
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backatcha. i figure by the new year 4gb cf cards will be under $150 too, might as well hold out if i can. i still like my jb3.
agreed. As much as I'd love a shiny new toy my playback is modest right now anyway, so I wouldn't be doing the 24bit justice. I figure I'll probably pick one up in a few months and give time for any potential kinks to be worked out.
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i think the hype over this is a little greater as it is more accessible to more people...the 7xx series were a little out of the price range for a lot of people, although everyone in the know was wanting them. now with the microtrack it's way more affordable and providing just the recorder, which we've all wanted since we're all so picky about having separate, individually flavored mics/pre/a-d, so the willingness to adopt an all-in-one is lesser when you have to give up your pre/a-d...not that you have to but to justfiy the cost, perhaps. with the microtrack, it replaces, at a very reasonable cost, only the recorder part of the equation, preserving the sound we've all worked so hard to obtain.
i'll build a 24-bit playback system when i buy my house (still planning on doing that this year.) maybe by then the device will be ready to do it (if it's not right out of the box) and i can afford all the extra storage and reap the full benefit through playback.
i've got modest hopes, all i want at first is a solid state, reliable recorder for 16/44.1. i hope i am not disappointed.
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For those waiting till they get a better playback system...you'll kick yourself when you went to that one show that was the best the band ever played, or the last, or whatever memorable moment you can think off. Man, if only you had recorded in 24bit and archived till you had the new playback! ;) ;D >:D
And just imagine, you'll have stuff ready to go as soon as the new system is hooked up.
Just playing devil's advocate folks!
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For those waiting till they get a better playback system...you'll kick yourself when you went to that one show that was the best the band ever played, or the last, or whatever memorable moment you can think off. Man, if only you had recorded in 24bit and archived till you had the new playback! ;) ;D >:D
And just imagine, you'll have stuff ready to go as soon as the new system is hooked up.
Just playing devil's advocate folks!
I agree. Better to have that show on 24 bit for posterity.
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especially since the media's already paid for. after the show, you're just going to transfer the files and re-format the card anyway.
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In lieu of the actual hardware, I wish we could have an MT thread that focused on new info/new questions/facts about the product and shipping.. Seems like the generic question of 24 vs. 16 bit has been discussed a zillion times in other threads. Similarly, the posts asking "what if it is crap" or "I'm waiting" don't seem to add much. I guess this is just frustration for real info as the date draws nigh..
I asked Frank what the latest was.. He said it is 'shipping to them on Wednesday from M-audio and we should see them on Friday/Monday.' So I'm expecting to receive one sometime late next week.
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In lieu of the actual hardware, I wish we could have an MT thread that focused on new info/new questions/facts about the product and shipping..
Well, I don't think there will be much new info till these are in hand. We're keeping the spirit/thread alive so it doesn't get burried. OFOTD has done a great job putting all the facts in the first post of each of the threads. The rest is just a bunch of geeks chatting about a new product. What's wrong with that?
I asked Frank what the latest was.. He said it is 'shipping to them on Wednesday from M-audio and we should see them on Friday/Monday.' So I'm expecting to receive one sometime late next week.
I thought he was supposed to get a direct shipment? Bummer....
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Well, I don't think there will be much new info till these are in hand. We're keeping the spirit/thread alive so it doesn't get burried. OFOTD has done a great job putting all the facts in the first post of each of the threads. The rest is just a bunch of geeks chatting about a new product. What's wrong with that?
The naitives are getting real restless. Yeah I feel like we have touched on damn near every topic on this new machine. I tried to put as much FACT up on the 1st pages of these threads so that's what we know. Anything we can do to keep this thread in the forefront in anticipation of next week is cool by me.
Anyone know what type of plastic these things are made of? ;D
+T's allround for keeping these threads around this long! T minus 7 or 8 or 9 days and counting. . . . . . . . . . .
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Anyone know what type of plastic these things are made of? ;D
Unobtanium.
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Well, I don't think there will be much new info till these are in hand. We're keeping the spirit/thread alive so it doesn't get burried. OFOTD has done a great job putting all the facts in the first post of each of the threads. The rest is just a bunch of geeks chatting about a new product. What's wrong with that?
The naitives are getting real restless. Yeah I feel like we have touched on damn near every topic on this new machine. I tried to put as much FACT up on the 1st pages of these threads so that's what we know. Anything we can do to keep this thread in the forefront in anticipation of next week is cool by me.
Anyone know what type of plastic these things are made of? ;D
+T's allround for keeping these threads around this long! T minus 7 or 8 or 9 days and counting. . . . . . . . . . .
Because I believe there was 2 pages in this thread about Budweiser. :P
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Anyone know what type of plastic these things are made of? ;D
Unobtanium.
Nice! Never heard that one before...I'll have to use it sometime. :)
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I wonder how far the hype spreads beyond what you see in these forums?
It kind of makes me think that getting one now might not be a bad idea... If there aren't any wacky firmware issues or stupid bugs to work out then supply/demand might make the price inch closer to the MSRP.
I made a comment on a different forum last week after somebody said, "I'll wait for you to check it out before I get one".
I honestly think that by Thanksgiving these will either be $299 or $499... depending on what we find out in the first week of owning it.
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Some dealers are apparently only getting 20% or so of their initial order in this first shipment. I've been a realy good boy and expect to get mine Friday.
Jeff
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Anyone know what type of plastic these things are made of? ;D
That would be model airplane plastic. >:D
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Anyone know what type of plastic these things are made of? ;D
That would be model airplane plastic. >:D
I'm thinkiong the consensus here is Unobtanium.
Should I update page 1 with this info? :drunk:
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I'm not in the market for a MT (yet), but in conversation with Chris at Sound Professionals today he told me that they're getting only a small percentage of their full order this week, with the rest promised by "end of month". Obviously I don't know how (if at all) this affects the other vendors, but they may not be as plentiful early on as had been hoped.
Even though I'm not in the market, I've been following these threads with great interest - it's been a LONG time (if ever) since this kind of buzz has been generated within our little hobby!
Good luck!
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Seems like every retailer has a different take on when they'll receive their shipment of Microtracks. I emailed audiomidi.com's sales dept today and this was their response:
They're just getting them this week. We will have them here in 8 days
from today (if not sooner). I doubt anyone will have them sooner, from
what I'm told.
Marcel James
Sales/Tech Dept Head
marcel@audiomidi.com
audioMIDI.com
9240 Deering Avenue
Chatsworth, CA 91311-5803
(818) 993-0772
Next week is seeming more likely, but still holding out some hope DJMart will receive their shipment this week.
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Next week is seeming more likely, but still holding out some hope DJMart will receive their shipment this week.
Natalia Bomio from DJMart told me in an email that they expect to have them friday. Hopefully, friday will be the last show I tape w/ my dat deck!
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I'll bet if someone sacrifices a DAT deck as a show of good faith, it will move things along.
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Hey, I just bought a brand new used Fostex D-5 DAT today and it's not to be sacrificed >:D Of course I'll only be using it to transfer all my masters. Great home decks can be had dirt cheap now. I'm so hoping I'll never have to take a sony portable to a show again. I have 4 broken down ones sitting here and a fifth one that just barely holds together. Guess I can sacrifice one of those.
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Has anyone heard from Core-Sound regarding their ETA? Their website states the last week of this month but I don't understand why not all places would be getting them at the same time, or within a few days of each other. I don't need mine really until the middle of October but I have another project that is coming up that it would certainly help to have it sooner...
FWIW, I'll be one of the few going mics straight into the 1/4" inputs (Nak 300s). I'm curious as to how the A/D will be with the device. I haven't invested the cash into an A/D yet so who knows.
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other but similar topic:
i read somewhere about a remote for the MT. any news on this? (is it true?)
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other but similar topic:
i read somewhere about a remote for the MT. any news on this? (is it true?)
Where would it plug in?
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i'd like to state for the record that i suspect my microtracker will arrive the day after i fly to austin for ACLfest. unfortunate, but i suppose that's life on the bleeding edge.
that unobtanium joke was awesome, btw.
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regarding phantom on the TRS jacks..
I was speaking w/Doug the other day, and he tells me that phantom power on TRS sucks. any movement, rotation..etc, of the jack will result in noise.
I'm all ready thinking about designing some sort of cradle (doug was scheeming as well) for this. something that holds the male TRS jacks nice and snug and provides XLR jacks.
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i'd like to state for the record that i suspect my microtracker will arrive the day after i fly to austin for ACLfest. unfortunate, but i suppose that's life on the bleeding edge.
that unobtanium joke was awesome, btw.
If you're brave, have it sent to your hotel! ;D
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i'd like to state for the record that i suspect my microtracker will arrive the day after i fly to austin for ACLfest. unfortunate, but i suppose that's life on the bleeding edge.
that unobtanium joke was awesome, btw.
If you're brave, have it sent to your hotel! ;D
heh, if frank's coming down to the fest, i'll see about him hand-delivering it to me.... >:D
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regarding phantom on the TRS jacks..
I was speaking w/Doug the other day, and he tells me that phantom power on TRS sucks. any movement, rotation..etc, of the jack will result in noise.
I'm all ready thinking about designing some sort of cradle (doug was scheeming as well) for this. something that holds the male TRS jacks nice and snug and provides XLR jacks.
does ANYONE really think they can reliably use this box mic in? line in even? If the spdif in works reliably, it'll be a freaking miracle. c'mon...400 bucks?
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it'll be a JB3 w/phantom that makes crackeling noise every time the jacks are moved at all.
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it'll be a JB3 w/phantom that makes crackeling noise every time the jacks are moved at all.
Do I dare to write: who needs phantom, anyway?
OTH: just tape stuff down?
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regarding phantom on the TRS jacks..
I was speaking w/Doug the other day, and he tells me that phantom power on TRS sucks. any movement, rotation..etc, of the jack will result in noise.
I'm all ready thinking about designing some sort of cradle (doug was scheeming as well) for this. something that holds the male TRS jacks nice and snug and provides XLR jacks.
I wonder if Doug could be persuaded to open the thing up, swap the 1/4 for mini XLRs and add a power input or swap the USB for a power input?
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The haters are starting to come out. ;D
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it'll be a JB3 w/phantom that makes crackeling noise every time the jacks are moved at all.
;D
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it'll be a JB3 w/phantom that makes crackeling noise every time the jacks are moved at all.
Here's my nightmare. I am now running DPA4060s>DPA MMA6000>Oade moded R1. I get the Microtrack Friday and start running 24/96, and then get my Headroom Desk Model headphone preamp with upgraded DAC. I start burning DVD-Audio with Discwelder Steel. The Microtrack works perfectly BUT I CAN'T HEAR THE DIFFERENCE.
AAAGHHHHHHHHHHH.
Jeff
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it'll be a JB3 w/phantom that makes crackeling noise every time the jacks are moved at all.
Here's my nightmare. I am now running DPA4060s>DPA MMA6000>Oade moded R1. I get the Microtrack Friday and start running 24/96, and then get my Headroom Desk Model headphone preamp with upgraded DAC. I start burning DVD-Audio with Discwelder Steel. The Microtrack works perfectly BUT I CAN'T HEAR THE DIFFERENCE.
AAAGHHHHHHHHHHH.
ADC of MT is not good enough for 24-bit? Better use external ADC?
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it'll be a JB3 w/phantom that makes crackeling noise every time the jacks are moved at all.
Here's my nightmare. I am now running DPA4060s>DPA MMA6000>Oade moded R1. I get the Microtrack Friday and start running 24/96, and then get my Headroom Desk Model headphone preamp with upgraded DAC. I start burning DVD-Audio with Discwelder Steel. The Microtrack works perfectly BUT I CAN'T HEAR THE DIFFERENCE.
AAAGHHHHHHHHHHH.
ADC of MT is not good enough for 24-bit? Better use external ADC?
he doesnt know...noone does...noone has one yet.
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If the 1/4" inputs make any noise when the TRS turns I'll be the first to use 18" XLR to TRS cables and glue the bastards in!
A little circle of JB-Weld or some other serious adhesive around the base of the TRS (just enough to smash out when the TRS is all the way in... but no glue INSIDE the unit) and bang! Permanent dongles.
And I'm just crazy enough to do it too. ;D
Let's hope it doesn't come to that. ::)
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The Budwieser conversation was headed in a better direction than this is heading now. First off, NOBODY knows anything about this device first-hand yet. Not Doug Oade, not Nick, not me, NOBODY. The only one we know that has even held the thing is William Boswell. I am quite certain that if he could add anything to the conversation he would.
So let's all take a deep breath, put our conspiracy hats back in the box and wait and see. We are now in the homestretch of this thing and putting out rumors of the thing already sucking is counter-productive to me. If you have expectations that this will compete with a 722 or something similar then you will be disappointed. If you are looking for a record only device I think you'llbe happy. Remember that this unit is $400. Not $2000 and not $200 This box will not sound like a Lunatec or Sonosax or modSBM or whatever. And then to comapre it to a JB3 (a glorifed walkman) is like comapring apples and oranges. But for folks to think that it has problems or shitty sounding components is just stupid since NOBODY knows yet.
What uses are you all hoping to use this unit for?
I am hoping to use it as a replacement to my D10 and D8. I don't stealth so I would not use its other features so it would be strictly a recorder for me. I most likely will use it at 16bit for a while until I get the hang of it and prices drop on CF. I do plan on using/testing my Microdrives on it as I have hopes they will work out positively with this unit.
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I am looking for the Microtrack to record @ 24/96 from my V3. That's all for now
jerry
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he doesnt know...noone does...noone has one.
Well, when in the hell is this noone dude going to post his results here? :yack:
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Dude, I for one, am not bashing anything... I'm dead serious about my post above... and if anybody said that the 1/4" inputs were noisy if the TRS moves it wouldn't make me hesititate ONE second to still buy this thing.
You want a positive thought on this piece of gear well here it is: For me the MicroTrack is a LIFE SAVER... ;)
I'm not into stealthing or even taping shows. The only live music that I'd ever want to record would be acoustic sets... in a really small venue... like maybe my living room. I'd like to make some local friends who appreciate this type of field recording, but for me it goes way beyond that. I'm buying the MicroTrack as an alternative to a $4500 piece of gear... and the MicroTrack will most likely OUTPERFORM that gear. Have I got your attention? Check this out.
I'm a video guy... but my passion is audio for video... and that is hard to do well. There are many obstacles in just making sounds seem to match the picture although in reality we never hear as well as you do in a well recorded video. You don't hear people from across the room speaking as if you're right next to them... or when a couple is walking down by the lake and they're 50 yards away you don't hear their soft voices.
The only way to get that is with good mics, booms, and WIRELESS. That is where the wrench is thrown in for most soundguys. Wireless mics SUCK... they suck even more when you want them to run a condenser. The only wireless system that can run condensers and still sound halfway decent is a Zaxcom Digital... and they're $4500... and they STILL aren't infallible.
So here's how I'm going to use my MicroTrack... I'm going to run my AKG 480b/ck69 boom with a line into a Sound Devices MM-1 and that will line-out to the MicroTrack line-in (and a split to a wireless)... then I'll use the RCA line-outs of the MicroTrack to run monitor back into the MM-1. The wireless will give me a guide track for easy sync'ing of my audio in post... and that's where I'll import the 16/48 file that I got directly off the gun... rather then accepting the SOUL CRUSHING effects of a wireless set on a condenser. ;)
How's THAT for a crazy usage of the MicroTrack? And the craziest part is that doing something like that was a lot harder before the MicroTrack came along... guys were pulling this shit with a whole BAG of stuff just to make it happen!
I got nuthin' but happy excitement for this damn thing to get here! ;D
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I plan to use this unit in the following ways:
XLR > 1/4" > Line In for board patches (maybe some digi too) and digi in for AUD recordings. I plan to do 24/96 most of the time, but might throttle back to 24/48 until I get a few media cards.
I don't stealth so moving cables/static is a non-issue for me. I also do not plan to run phantom very often....if ever.
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it'll be a JB3 w/phantom that makes crackeling noise every time the jacks are moved at all.
Here's my nightmare. I am now running DPA4060s>DPA MMA6000>Oade moded R1. I get the Microtrack Friday and start running 24/96, and then get my Headroom Desk Model headphone preamp with upgraded DAC. I start burning DVD-Audio with Discwelder Steel. The Microtrack works perfectly BUT I CAN'T HEAR THE DIFFERENCE.
AAAGHHHHHHHHHHH.
ADC of MT is not good enough for 24-bit? Better use external ADC?
No, the nightmare is I need new ears. Bang-up Mahler 3 with 24/96 may not sound better through my Sennheisser 600s than Bang-up Mahler 3 at 24/44,1 from the R1. Then how will I spend money?
Jeff
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regarding phantom on the TRS jacks..
I was speaking w/Doug the other day, and he tells me that phantom power on TRS sucks. any movement, rotation..etc, of the jack will result in noise.
I know this is all speculation at the moment, but if it's specifically the phantom that causes the crackling, wouldn't an easy fix be to simply NOT use the phantom on the MT? Turn phantom off in the menu and use an external phantom box instead?
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I plan to use this unit in the following ways:
XLR > 1/4" > Line In for board patches (maybe some digi too) and digi in for AUD recordings. I plan to do 24/96 most of the time, but might throttle back to 24/48 until I get a few media cards.
I don't stealth so moving cables/static is a non-issue for me. I also do not plan to run phantom very often....if ever.
anyone think you could do on the fly matrix's with this? via digi and analog combined?
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I am looking for the Microtrack to record @ 24/96 from my V3. That's all for now
jerry
That is what I'm going to be doing. But, I am going to run it a couple time at 16bit, with my JB3 out of the optical. Then move up to 24/48 with the JB3 making a truncated 16bit file.
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I am looking for the Microtrack to record @ 24/96 from my V3. That's all for now
jerry
That is what I'm going to be doing. But, I am going to run it a couple time at 16bit, with my JB3 out of the optical. Then move up to 24/48 with the JB3 making a truncated 16bit file.
why make truncated copies ??? just run analog out of the v3>analog1/8" to the jb3? thats what i'll do if there are bugs!
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Because every analog copy I have pulled on the JB3 haven't sounded good to me. The A/D in the JB3 is questionable. Maybe I had the gains not set well, maybe it was from the soundboard I was taking the Analog feed off of.
I have only used it before I had mics, and there was nobody to patch out of, and I knew the sound guy.
Has anybody here made good JB3 pulls off of the analog in ? ???
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I've been happy with mine when I use the JB3 as a backup when recording with a lappie. But my ears aren't nearly as picky as some folks here.
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I plan to use this unit in the following ways:
XLR > 1/4" > Line In for board patches (maybe some digi too) and digi in for AUD recordings. I plan to do 24/96 most of the time, but might throttle back to 24/48 until I get a few media cards.
I don't stealth so moving cables/static is a non-issue for me. I also do not plan to run phantom very often....if ever.
anyone think you could do on the fly matrix's with this? via digi and analog combined?
Nope. Only one set of inputs can be active at any given time.
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Because every analog copy I have pulled on the JB3 haven't sounded good to me. The A/D in the JB3 is questionable. Maybe I had the gains not set well, maybe it was from the soundboard I was taking the Analog feed off of.
I have only used it before I had mics, and there was nobody to patch out of, and I knew the sound guy.
Has anybody here made good JB3 pulls off of the analog in ? ???
yes any tape i've made for pretty much the past 8 months has been analog in. They've all sounded decent, of course i have a nice pre driving it.
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i think change my jb3 for the microtracker.
it is possible to make that : sp-cmc-8>sp-spsb6>microtracker ?
i'm very newbie , in tape and in english ! ;)
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the phantom TRS issue is something that is expected to be a problem.
to me, if Doug says it is a bad design...i believe it.
if it comes to pass and is not a problem. great! id rather be pleasantly surprised.
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i think change my jb3 for the microtracker.
it is possible to make that : sp-cmc-8>sp-spsb6>microtracker ?
i'm very newbie , in tape and in english ! ;)
Yes that is possible
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I imagine it must be frustrating when you've ordered a product as a dealer and the manufacture isn't able to tell you when the product is shipping out. When I call M-Audio, they stated that couldn't tell me the status of the shippments of the Micro Tracker, but that they are supposed to ship out today on one of the dealers, and depending on how there shipping (Ground) possibly in 5 days that dealer might get it. So, it appears so far, no one has these in their inventory. I think this week is out as far as anyone getthing them. :banging head:
i'd like to state for the record that i suspect my microtracker will arrive the day after i fly to austin for ACLfest. unfortunate, but i suppose that's life on the bleeding edge.
that unobtanium joke was awesome, btw.
If you're brave, have it sent to your hotel! ;D
heh, if frank's coming down to the fest, i'll see about him hand-delivering it to me.... >:D
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This whole thing is starting to piss me off. I've been told they were to ship to vendors Wednesday. Now if that is true, why wouldn't M-audio ship them to their vendors OVERNIGHT, since they are already weeks late?
If they ship them out ground it will take another freakin' week for the vendors to get them, and we get them what, a week after that?
Now I guess I am feeling the pain most of you felt while waiting for the SD722's.
And why can't M-audio give someone a firm definitive answer? That is BS.....
colin
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Now I guess I am feeling the pain most of you felt while waiting for the SD722's.
And why can't M-audio give someone a firm definitive answer? That is BS.....
colin
no, you're not. You've got a mild sensation. This thing is what, 6 weeks late?
Pain is felt by dropping a downpayment (because its "about ready"), then waiting for an entire year.
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no, you're not. You've got a mild sensation. This thing is what, 6 weeks late?
Pain is felt by dropping a downpayment (because its "about ready"), then waiting for an entire year.
and just wait...hopefully it works perfectly or you get into stage II of testing...
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This whole thing is starting to piss me off. I've been told they were to ship to vendors Wednesday. Now if that is true, why wouldn't M-audio ship them to their vendors OVERNIGHT, since they are already weeks late?
If they ship them out ground it will take another freakin' week for the vendors to get them, and we get them what, a week after that?
Now I guess I am feeling the pain most of you felt while waiting for the SD722's.
And why can't M-audio give someone a firm definitive answer? That is BS.....
colin
Unfortunately this is the nature of new electronic products. They always seem to be late. Some might remember when the original Apogee MiniMe was supposed to ship in March, then April, then for sure in May. Well we finally received them sometime around labor day and then guess what the REV A's all sucked and ended up getting replaced.
Same exact thing happened back in 95 with the original shipment of DA-P1's, those suckers were delayed for months and months.
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This whole thing is starting to piss me off. I've been told they were to ship to vendors Wednesday. Now if that is true, why wouldn't M-audio ship them to their vendors OVERNIGHT, since they are already weeks late?
Because in the overall grand scheme of things we're talking about a couple of days. The anger or pain you are suffering will be completely forgotten once the unit actually hits your hands. Remember that most/all of us currently have recorders so hopefully its not like you are screwed on a show this week or next week. If you did get rid of all of your recorders then is that M-Audio's fault?
Hang in there! We are all waiting and at least we are talking about days unlike the months our 722/744 friends had to wair!
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Now if that is true, why wouldn't M-audio ship them to their vendors OVERNIGHT, since they are already weeks late?
Because M-Audio never guaranteed a ship date (because to do so would be idiotic) and tripling the cost of shipping doesn't make any sense to shave off a few days. Relax a little.
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I plan to use the Microtrack: Mics -> XLR -> 1/4 -> MT (For stealth taping which I will do often) and probably toss in a pre for when I don't have to stealth.
I'm giddy with glee for the affordability of this piece of fine equipment.
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So, it appears so far, no one has these in their inventory. I think this week is out as far as anyone getthing them. :banging head:
Actually, this statement is false. Check this same forum of TS. Sound Pros got a small portion of their order yesterday.
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no, you're not. You've got a mild sensation. This thing is what, 6 weeks late?
Pain is felt by dropping a downpayment (because its "about ready"), then waiting for an entire year.
A year? Jesus.....now that does suck, didn't realize it was that long. So now maybe I'm not too pissed.
colin
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Just got this from djmart! ITS ON!
Hi Martin,
Our apologies for any delay in response. The Microtrack 24/96 is going to ship out tomorrow. As soon as your order ship I will send you an email with yout tracking number.
For any further inquiries or questions you may have please feel free to reply to this email.
Best Regards,
Natalia Bomio
Edit:
I should have mine Monday afternoon. I got 2 day shipping.
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Just got this from djmart! ITS ON!
Hi Martin,
Our apologies for any delay in response. The Microtrack 24/96 is going to ship out tomorrow. As soon as your order ship I will send you an email with yout tracking number.
For any further inquiries or questions you may have please feel free to reply to this email.
Best Regards,
Natalia Bomio
Edit:
I should have mine Monday afternoon. I got 2 day shipping.
Sorry Martin, I had it re-routed to Colorado.
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Just got this from djmart! ITS ON!
Hi Martin,
Our apologies for any delay in response. The Microtrack 24/96 is going to ship out tomorrow. As soon as your order ship I will send you an email with yout tracking number.
For any further inquiries or questions you may have please feel free to reply to this email.
Best Regards,
Natalia Bomio
Awesome news! I should have mine on Saturday then. I upgraded the shipping on mine to UPS overnight with Saturday delivery.
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OFOTD T+ for keeping the first page updated. Good stuff ;D
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Because every analog copy I have pulled on the JB3 haven't sounded good to me. The A/D in the JB3 is questionable. Maybe I had the gains not set well, maybe it was from the soundboard I was taking the Analog feed off of.
I have only used it before I had mics, and there was nobody to patch out of, and I knew the sound guy.
Has anybody here made good JB3 pulls off of the analog in ? ???
No way, I've tried every combination of gain on the JB3 with every firmware. Even at +/-0 with optimum input, it's still crap. And god help you if you don't have ideal levels, which are nearly impossible to obtain due to the terrible terrible meters.
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so if the adc on this unit blows, what are our alternatives in stealth situations?
My backup plan is to keep using the R1, until the Sonosax 2-channel comes out. I already replaced the t-mod sbm>d100 with the R1.
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there isn't a stealthy 24 bit solution (aka sbm1 is for 16 bit) is there?
Closest thing available is a v3 with a walmart battery. But I would only do this for semi-stealth situations, like venues that allow bags so you can run the v3 under your seat.
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so for the time being we are screwed as far as running an outboard adc with this unit @ 24 bit resolution :(
i guess i could pick up a sbm1 and run 16 bit only until a 24 bit adc comes along that is stealthable.
Honestly, I don't think any manufacturers would have any incentive to make a stealthy adc at this point.
I've been very happy with the R1's adc. If the microtrack is comparable to the R1, I will probably be looking to sell the R1 since the microtrack plans to address the 2 GB split, shows levels for both channels, has digital in - amongst other features not in the R1.
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so if the adc on this unit blows, what are our alternatives in stealth situations?
My backup plan is to keep using the R1, until the Sonosax 2-channel comes out. I already replaced the t-mod sbm>d100 with the R1.
there isn't a stealthy 24 bit solution (aka sbm1 is for 16 bit) is there?
Well there is the mic24\96 seems to me that it wold be very stelthable, If you can stomach buying one from that source but ironicaly you can actually buy one from several other retailers at a cheeper price.
Brad
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I've been very happy with the R1's adc.
Having listened to a handful of R1 tapes where the onboard adc was used, I have to agree with George, very nice sounding....sax->R1 sounded very similar to Sax->TMod SBM1 to me...very clean....smooth sound...
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wow Nick, if the microtracker adc sounds anything comparable to a Tmod sbm1 I will be a very hapy customer. too bad the R1 has so many shortcomings........
really only three shortcomings...the 44.1 limit, single level bar (so cant tell if you are getting R/L levels, and about as much resolution as the JB3) and the 2 Gb limit, which the microtracker has today....if the microtracker fixes these and is stable...it should be a good box
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I've got mine!!!
It arrived yesterday from SP, while I was up in Boston and stuck there by US Airways cancelling all its afternoon flights to NYC. Took the train and got home at 10pm. It was waiting at my office this morning, and is now charging up.
The 1/4" TRS jacks are close together, but the SP stereo 1/8"-to-dual mono 1/4" cable fits it snugly. I also used a Radio Shack 1/8" stereo female jack to 1 dual 1/8" mono plugs with 1/4" adapters to make a cable adapter for my DAP MMA6000 preamp. I will do line-in tests this weekend.
It is smaller than I imagined, feels a bit fragile but seems okay overall.
Jeff
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I've got mine!!!
It arrived yesterday from SP, while I was up in Boston and stuck there by US Airways cancelling all its afternoon flights to NYC. Took the train and got home at 10pm. It was waiting at my office this morning, and is now charging up.
The 1/4" TRS jacks are close together, but the SP stereo 1/8"-to-dual mono 1/4" cable fits it snugly. I also used a Radio Shack 1/8" stereo female jack to 1 dual 1/8" mono plugs with 1/4" adapters to make a cable adapter for my DAP MMA6000 preamp. I will do line-in tests this weekend.
It is smaller than I imagined, feels a bit fragile but seems okay overall.
Jeff
+T for the new toy!
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hot damn, set it up and record some shit !
Yeah, and tell us what it does when it gets to the 2GB limit ;)
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hot damn, set it up and record some shit !
If it's charged up by 11:30 I'm popping over to tape some piano, otherwise it will have to wait for tonight (it will explode in your hands and never run right if you don't fully charge it up the first time, according to the Quic Start Guide, isn't that what "limit the maximum record time" means?). Also, I have to print out the manual (the Microtrack comes in a very small box, could be sold like a cheap calculator from one of those rack thingees in plastic.
The Kodak 64MB CF card is lame, looks like Kodak may have paid them to throw it in like an AOL CD.
Jeff
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I'm glad WiFiJeff got the first unit here (if it wasn't me :)). His reviews and observations of the R1 were very helpful when I was deciding whether to get one or not.
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The Kodak 64MB CF card is lame, looks like Kodak may have paid them to throw it in like an AOL CD.
Re-label it is as a 4GB card and use it as a decoy if the stealth hits the fan.
Congrats on getting the first TS unit, fokker!
just hand them the 64 meg one, they wont have a clue.
congrats on the new toy, mething i'll be ordering soon.
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Because every analog copy I have pulled on the JB3 haven't sounded good to me. The A/D in the JB3 is questionable. Maybe I had the gains not set well, maybe it was from the soundboard I was taking the Analog feed off of.
I have only used it before I had mics, and there was nobody to patch out of, and I knew the sound guy.
Has anybody here made good JB3 pulls off of the analog in ? ???
No way, I've tried every combination of gain on the JB3 with every firmware. Even at +/-0 with optimum input, it's still crap. And god help you if you don't have ideal levels, which are nearly impossible to obtain due to the terrible terrible meters.
If anyone hasn't heard it, I recommend listening to my D100 v NJB3 blind comp. I think it shows that to most ears, on most playback systems, the JB3 line-in / ADC does NOT suck. Anyone in doubt who wants to hear it, I'm happy to re-host it.
And, FWIW, I find the level meters crappy, but usable - just takes some practice.
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It doesn't come fully charged?! What a fucking rip. Cancel my order.
;)
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If anyone hasn't heard it, I recommend listening to my D100 v NJB3 blind comp. I think it shows that to most ears, on most playback systems, the JB3 line-in / ADC does NOT suck.
I haven't heard your comp but I agree.. Also, folks need to remember that not all JB3's are equal. Some have noise problems with the drive or display, etc. That seems true of many small recorders (my Archos is kinda noisey compared to some). I did a 4061>jb3 chick corea show where I had to add *obscene* amounts of gain during post-processing and it still came out surprisingly good.
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well, the McTracker has probably become the most antincipated piece of gear this board has ever seen, surpassing the 722, it seems. you can feel the electricity in the air!!! you can cut the drama with a knife!!!! UPS tracking website is going to see a 10% increase in traffic over the next few days...
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Still waiting for that "now shipping" email. :(
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can you post some pics? id like to see some refrence pics.
danka
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can you post some pics? id like to see some refrence pics.
that would be cool, indeed.
could you also post a 24/96 WAV/FLAC recording without any mics plugged in? just wondering..
Roel
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could you also post a 24/96 WAV/FLAC recording without any mics plugged in? just wondering..
huh?
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high resolution silence...it is the newest thing!
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:headphones:
yeah, the silence is deafening!!!
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Yep, noise floor testing. I like to check all my gear to make sure there isn't a problem, etc.. It is also handy in case you notice a noise later on and wonder whether it has always been present. I like to do it while wiggling and flexing cables, twisting knobs, turning 48v on/off, etc. All of those things tend to impact the noise floor.
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ok cool, that makes some sense, i guess...it just seemed like such a bizarre request. ;D
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Yep, noise floor testing. I like to check all my gear to make sure there isn't a problem, etc.. It is also handy in case you notice a noise later on and wonder whether it has always been present. I like to do it while wiggling and flexing cables, twisting knobs, turning 48v on/off, etc. All of those things tend to impact the noise floor.
i should try that sometime. perhaps when my mics finally arrive i will.
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If anyone hasn't heard it, I recommend listening to my D100 v NJB3 blind comp. I think it shows that to most ears, on most playback systems, the JB3 line-in / ADC does NOT suck.
Concur. I use it when I'm at work to tape FM broadcasts (off a good yamaha).
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I did a 4061>jb3 chick corea show where I had to add *obscene* amounts of gain during post-processing and it still came out surprisingly good.
Ditto on a Springsteen solo show - TONS of added gain during post production and it sounded fine.
But I picked up an AD-20 anyway :) Still, I wouldn't hesitate to go preamp > jb3 directly if the situation required ultrastealth.
I still hate the meters, though, and got an SVU-1 to solve that. Oddly, it needed NO calibration at all - the levels at the bottom of the danger zone on the jb3 meters came very close to 0db on the SVU.
Scott
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Still waiting for that "now shipping" email. :(
Just got one from the Oades. Shipping to Doug, not to me yet. I think I'll wait and see how this thing shapes up.
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And still nothing from Frank and Cascade. I was positive he was going to be one of the first to get them. A tad dissapointed, but these are the things you deal with I guess.
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So is Frank
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what are they charging? he told me ~$350 a couple weeks ago.
In Europe it looks to be a lot more expensive. To get it from Thomand (http://www.thomann.de/iw_smb_suche.html?SUBJECT=KOMFORTSUCHE&iwid=6&SUCHBEGRIFF=MicroTrack&x=16&y=10) in Germany (with added Irish VAT for me at 21% (silly EU rules)) it would cost me 463 euro before shipping costs - that's around US$570. At that price it would be cheaper for me to buy it from the US even if I got stung with customs charges.
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Still waiting for that "now shipping" email. :(
Just got one from the Oades. Shipping to Doug, not to me yet. I think I'll wait and see how this thing shapes up.
what are they charging? he told me ~$350 a couple weeks ago.
Yep, 350 shipped to your door.
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Just got this from djmart! ITS ON!
Hi Martin,
Our apologies for any delay in response. The Microtrack 24/96 is going to ship out tomorrow. As soon as your order ship I will send you an email with yout tracking number.
For any further inquiries or questions you may have please feel free to reply to this email.
Best Regards,
Natalia Bomio
Edit:
I should have mine Monday afternoon. I got 2 day shipping.
Something is extremely fishy here. This is the e-mail I just received.
Our apologies for any delay in response. I just contact the M-audio to know what is going on with the Microtracks but they has not shipped them out to any dealers yet. So will have them ready to ship until the 26th. As soon as your order ship out I will send you an email with your tracking number.
If this will create any inconvenience for you and changes need to be made to the order, please let me know. For any further inquiries or questions you may have please feel free to reply to this email.
Best Regards,
Natalia Bomio
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At first glance maybe they are not on the top of M-Audio's vendor list. Maybe it was the reps way of not telling them that there are other more preferred dealers. Just a guess.
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Something is extremely fishy here. This is the e-mail I just received.
Our apologies for any delay in response. I just contact the M-audio to know what is going on with the Microtracks but they has not shipped them out to any dealers yet. So will have them ready to ship until the 26th. As soon as your order ship out I will send you an email with your tracking number.
If this will create any inconvenience for you and changes need to be made to the order, please let me know. For any further inquiries or questions you may have please feel free to reply to this email.
Best Regards,
Natalia Bomio
That doesn't make any sense. I just called them a couple hours ago. Natalia told me they received their shipment and that mine was being shipped out today with the Saturday delivery option I asked for. I suggest calling them. Their number is 1-888-356-2781.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just got off of the phone with Danny at DJMart. He said that they have NOT received any of theirs yet, and are not expecting them until the end of next week. He also said that he had to send a memo to Natalia explaining that to her as well. Sorry guys.
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Unobtanium still.
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Unobtanium still.
Ayup!
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I just got off of the phone with Danny at DJMart. He said that they have NOT received any of theirs yet, and are not expecting them until the end of next week. He also said that he had to send a memo to Natalia explaining that to her as well. Sorry guys.
classic case of left handium not knowing what the right handium is doing?
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:banging head: :yikes:
Can't imagine what Desert Sky is doing now, someone get him in a padded cell!
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patience is a virtue. ;D :P
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I'm still rather new to the world of live audio recording (and audio equipment in general) so bear with me here.
Is it a safe assumption (that I made earlier in this thread) that I'd be able to run Mics through XLR>1/4 cable directly into the Microtracker without needing a pre or an a/d converter? Granted, the results might not be as good as using separate components for each job, but it is possible, correct? The Microtracker can amp the mic signal and take the analog signal natively?
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correct, but who knows what kind of quality it'll be or if there'll be added noise from the 1/4 phantoms
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I'm still rather new to the world of live audio recording (and audio equipment in general) so bear with me here.
Is it a safe assumption (that I made earlier in this thread) that I'd be able to run Mics through XLR>1/4 cable directly into the Microtracker without needing a pre or an a/d converter? Granted, the results might not be as good as using separate components for each job, but it is possible, correct? The Microtracker can amp the mic signal and take the analog signal natively?
yes. at what quality (like you stated) we just don't know yet.
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I emailed. Here is the response. Jesus. Someone please tell her to spellcheck! I'm not in a rush for mine really. As long as I have it by Panic/Truckers in Nashville 10-14 I'll be a happy camper. I was on Cloud 9 for a while thinking I was getting it Monday. Oh well, shit happens. Not like I can't record until I get this. ;)
Hi Martin,
The Microtrack is goint to ship directly form the vendor. M-audio is having some problems with the availability. The product will ship from M-audio the 26th. As soon as your order ship I will email or call you with the tracking number.
If this will create any inconvenience for you and changes need to be made to the order please let me know.
Best Regards,
Natalia Bomio
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correct, but who knows what kind of quality it'll be or if there'll be added noise from the 1/4 phantoms
Am I also correct in assuming that running your mics through a battery box (and disabling phantom power) would eliminate this potential noise?
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I tried to use my Microtrack tonight, but had some issues, hope to get them ressolved soon.
#1) Setting levels. I tried to calibrate to my DAT to try to get some idea of what levels to use. Ended up calling tech support, which told me of one bizarre glitch. The L/M/H switch is apparently backwards, should be H/M/L at least on the early models. This seems right, but I'll have to play around a bit more to be sure. I ended up setting way too low, can't figure out the scale used on the meters. Tech support told me to email on this, the live guys had no idea whether the scale is linear or not, where -12 dB might be, etc. Also had to email as to whether the line-in volume set is trim only or boost. I set in the middle and got levels that suggest I should have maxed it as I do on my R1 for line-in. They are supposed to get back to me on where to set for unitary gain on line-in.
#2) Battery life. I charged it for the suggester 6 1/2 hours, after fooling around for a couple of hours I set it to run at 24/44.1 (concert to run 1 1/2 hours without intermission, also good to compare to Edirol R1) and went to tape. Glanced at the battery meter and freaked when it showed 1/2 down, switched to the R1 for the concert but left the Microtrack running. It was still going 2 hours later, with the battery level doen to around 1/4, so I guess this will be okay once I get used to what it's telling me.
The unit takes longer to power up than the R1 (maybe 20-25 seconds), and also takes a while to start a new file (firmware is version 1.0.2, no 2 GB rollover yet I think, though the time-left reading sees my whole 8 GB CF card). I haven't figured out yet if it's possible to run it with USB powering, when I plug it in to charge it seems to freeze out the switches, but I'm going to try changing the sequence of turning on and plugging in as soon as it's recharged to see if this can work.
Sorry to post such meager info, but it's what I've got and there doesn't seem to be too much else yet.
Jeff
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+t for the info, Jeff, and another in 12 hrs! i appreciate you, and everyone else, who is quickly testing out this unit and posting your findings/results.
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#1) Setting levels. I tried to calibrate to my DAT to try to get some idea of what levels to use. Ended up calling tech support, which told me of one bizarre glitch. The L/M/H switch is apparently backwards, should be H/M/L at least on the early models. This seems right, but I'll have to play around a bit more to be sure. I ended up setting way too low, can't figure out the scale used on the meters. Tech support told me to email on this, the live guys had no idea whether the scale is linear or not, where -12 dB might be, etc. Also had to email as to whether the line-in volume set is trim only or boost. I set in the middle and got levels that suggest I should have maxed it as I do on my R1 for line-in. They are supposed to get back to me on where to set for unitary gain on line-in.
Get your old recorder with good scales.
Give it a signal where you can read the levels.
Now plug that level into the MT.
Reiterate for different levels to get an idea.
#2) Battery life. I charged it for the suggester 6 1/2 hours, after fooling around for a couple of hours I set it to run at 24/44.1 (concert to run 1 1/2 hours without intermission, also good to compare to Edirol R1) and went to tape. Glanced at the battery meter and freaked when it showed 1/2 down, switched to the R1 for the concert but left the Microtrack running. It was still going 2 hours later, with the battery level doen to around 1/4, so I guess this will be okay once I get used to what it's telling me.
So the discharge curve display could have some adjustment.
How many hours total did you get under what condition? (Phantom?)
The unit takes longer to power up than the R1 (maybe 20-25 seconds), and also takes a while to start a new file (firmware is version 1.0.2, no 2 GB rollover yet I think, though the time-left reading sees my whole 8 GB CF card). I haven't figured out yet if it's possible to run it with USB powering, when I plug it in to charge it seems to freeze out the switches, but I'm going to try changing the sequence of turning on and plugging in as soon as it's recharged to see if this can work.
Hmm. Freeze is bad. Why would they do this?
CF card was inserted during startup?
Sorry to post such meager info, but it's what I've got and there doesn't seem to be too much else yet.
Thanks for whatever you can post. If you can verify the L/M/H problem, get some silence at 44.1-96/16 and 24 (FLAC?), measure the 5V presence at the 1/8" plug (under what conditions is it active? is there a resistor?), what about impedance?
Etc, etc.
Thanks!!
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I tried to use my Microtrack tonight, but had some issues, hope to get them ressolved soon.
#1) Setting levels. I tried to calibrate to my DAT to try to get some idea of what levels to use. Ended up calling tech support, which told me of one bizarre glitch. The L/M/H switch is apparently backwards, should be H/M/L at least on the early models. This seems right, but I'll have to play around a bit more to be sure. I ended up setting way too low, can't figure out the scale used on the meters. Tech support told me to email on this, the live guys had no idea whether the scale is linear or not, where -12 dB might be, etc. Also had to email as to whether the line-in volume set is trim only or boost. I set in the middle and got levels that suggest I should have maxed it as I do on my R1 for line-in. They are supposed to get back to me on where to set for unitary gain on line-in.
#2) Battery life. I charged it for the suggester 6 1/2 hours, after fooling around for a couple of hours I set it to run at 24/44.1 (concert to run 1 1/2 hours without intermission, also good to compare to Edirol R1) and went to tape. Glanced at the battery meter and freaked when it showed 1/2 down, switched to the R1 for the concert but left the Microtrack running. It was still going 2 hours later, with the battery level doen to around 1/4, so I guess this will be okay once I get used to what it's telling me.
The unit takes longer to power up than the R1 (maybe 20-25 seconds), and also takes a while to start a new file (firmware is version 1.0.2, no 2 GB rollover yet I think, though the time-left reading sees my whole 8 GB CF card). I haven't figured out yet if it's possible to run it with USB powering, when I plug it in to charge it seems to freeze out the switches, but I'm going to try changing the sequence of turning on and plugging in as soon as it's recharged to see if this can work.
Sorry to post such meager info, but it's what I've got and there doesn't seem to be too much else yet.
Jeff
Thanks Jeff, can't wait to hear more. How is the mic-in 'crackling' noise that somebody mentioned earlier on?
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OK, they got my payment. 10 days until worldwide release (the official version).
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Can the 1/8 input used as "line in" or only for microphone?
And how can i connect my DPA 4061 (microdot) to MT ?
thanx ! :)
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has this thing shipped yet..?
is anybody on the board using one yet..?
Can the 1/8 input used as "line in" or only for microphone?
And how can i connect my DPA 4061 (microdot) to MT ?
thanx ! :)
contact len at core sound - he should be able to hook you up...
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has this thing shipped yet..?
is anybody on the board using one yet..?
Look 6 posts up ::) ;D
Not long now, but there seem to be some initial problems.
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has this thing shipped yet..?
is anybody on the board using one yet..?
Look 6 posts up ::) ;D
doh! +t
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Backatcha ;D
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Jeff- +T for the info!!!
Are you using a 8gb microdrive or compact flash card? I see CF in your post, but I see CF used a lot when it is a CF microdrive. Just curious if large microdrive's are working with the MT so far.
Thanks!
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Hey how the hell did SoundPro get one out already? I thought Frank was getting the first shipment, I haven't even gotten a email lately from him anyone else? As for the levels wht wrong with just running them up just below 0 who cares where -12 is just a thought.
I wnt mine, I need mine.
Brad
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Jeff- +T for the info!!!
Are you using a 8gb microdrive or compact flash card? I see CF in your post, but I see CF used a lot when it is a CF microdrive. Just curious if large microdrive's are working with the MT so far.
Thanks!
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I am using the Sandisk 8GB CF, but will try a Hitachi microdrive tomorrow. I will run a battery test today (recharged it last night), maybe try phantom power Monday (I am feeding it line-in with a DPA MMA6000 preamp, into the 1/4" jacks now). I am pretty sure the inverted L/M/H is as tech support says, since I had it set for the corrected line-in and had the MMA6000 boosting a DPA 4060 hot signal by another 10 dB, if I had it on high gain (H) as the setting said it should have clipped instead of peaking at about 3% of signal max.
Jeff
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WiFiJeff... why don't you post a little pic of you holding your MicroTrack and giving us all the bird.
I'm beginning to wonder what the hell is up with this "release date of the 26th while you're telling us about the one you have in your hands there"...
Somebody is full of shit and I'm getting antsy for my MT... if there are dealers out there that have 'em!
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WiFiJeff... why don't you post a little pic of you holding your MicroTrack and giving us all the bird.
:D
that would be funny...
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Just got an email from Len at Core-Sound (or Crap-Sound if you wish) and they expect their first shipment to come in Monday or Tuesday and a second delivery later that week or early the following week. Good news! ^-^
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I'm not gonna' believe ANYTHING until I SEE one.
I've been told that one would be on the way since the third week of August... and even LAST WEEK I was told I'd have one on the way by Wednesday (of last week) because they were to be in on Monday (of last week)... so until I see a pic of somebody giving me the bird I so justly deserve for my comments... I'm not believing it.
EDIT: THANKS for all the help and insights Jeff. ;)
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Can the 1/8 input used as "line in" or only for microphone?
And how can i connect my DPA 4061 (microdot) to MT ?
thanx ! :)
I have been using the 1/4" for line-in, the manual p4 says the 1/4" TRS jacks accept microphone and line level signals and the 1/8" is for a mono or stereo electret mic. This implies but does not absolutely state that you can't do line in on the 1/8".
I am using 4060 (microdot) into the MMA6000 preamp, then out with a cable from 1/8" stereo plug (MMA6000 end) to two (R/L) 1/4" plugs. I have one of these from Sound Professionals (fat plug tops but fit nicely despite close spacing of the Microtrack 1/4" jacks), another I jury-rigged from a Radio Shack 1/8" stereo jack to (R/L) 1/8" plugs (made for airline headphone R/L jacks to adapt to normal stereo, with 1/8" to 1/4" adapters on each channel.
Jeff
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I have been using the 1/4" for line-in, the manual p4 says the 1/4" TRS jacks accept microphone and line level signals and the 1/8" is for a mono or stereo electret mic. This implies but does not absolutely state that you can't do line in on the 1/8".
The manual is confusing.
It writes about a 1/8" mic in but also has:
17. L/M/H Switch: Sets the operating mode of the 1⁄4” TRS and 1/8” inputs. Use the ‘L’ position for line-level devices. The ‘M’ position
should be used when recording from microphones. The ‘H’ position uses a higher gain stage on the 1⁄4” TRS inputs, which can
help when recording quiet signals or using microphones with low output levels. The ‘H’ position does not boost the input gain of
the 1/8” input.
So? ???
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I think stricty reading that paragraph in the manual implies that you can use mic or line in on both the 1/4" and 1/8" inputs, but you can only go to 'H' on the 1/4" inputs. I believe the manual also discusses another gain boost stage that is available via the menu and also only acts on the 1/4" inputs. However, needless to say, that paragraph is a bit ambiguous, and we all know that what it SAYS and WHAT IT DOES might be different until someone actually experiments with it.
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as posted in PenComputingAudio@yahoogroups.com
Our first shipment of M-Audio's MicroTrack 24/96s has arrived!
Len Moskowitz
Core Sound
www.core-sound.com
Home of PDAudio
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just got an email from Frank at Cascade saying the first 10 are due tomorrow and the rest of the shipment later this week.
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i guess i am not in the first 10.
oh well, i hope it makes it here next week. i need to order some CF cards anyhow.
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I got the email as well. Gave up my spot, though, as I don't have anything until Thursday of next week. Hopefully someone that needs it ASAP will get the chance.
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I got the email as well. Gave up my spot, though, as I don't have anything until Thursday of next week. Hopefully someone that needs it ASAP will get the chance.
I gave up my spot as well, since I have nothing to tape until late October and I have to send my mics to DPA to have microdots reattached. I'd love to play with it, but figure someone may be able to tape something this weekend.
Later,
pjdavep
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:realhappy:
Mine should be here Thursday. ;D Too much of a cheapskate I guess for overnight, so I took 2-day. I don't really have anything until Sunday for a Yonder, et al benefit show, but I might as well have a few days to play with it. Got another friend who will probably be using it for Metheny on Tuesday if it seems to be reliable.
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mann.. I guess I am not one of the first 10. :(
Wait, shouldn't I get top priority since I am local? heheh
I need to swing by there tomorrow anyway, I'll inquire about the next shipment.
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I got an email from Frank, I'm in the first 10 ;D
gonna give him a call in the next few minutes, hopefully it can be here on Thursday for the next Club d'Elf show (and hopefully it'll work. I'll be running my D8 analog out for backup fo sho)
;D
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I got the email as well. Gave up my spot, though, as I don't have anything until Thursday of next week. Hopefully someone that needs it ASAP will get the chance.
I gave up my spot as well, since I have nothing to tape until late October and I have to send my mics to DPA to have microdots reattached. I'd love to play with it, but figure someone may be able to tape something this weekend.
Later,
pjdavep
+fuckintee. thats really cool.
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I got the email as well. Gave up my spot, though, as I don't have anything until Thursday of next week. Hopefully someone that needs it ASAP will get the chance.
I gave up my spot as well, since I have nothing to tape until late October and I have to send my mics to DPA to have microdots reattached. I'd love to play with it, but figure someone may be able to tape something this weekend.
Later,
pjdavep
+fuckintee. thats really cool.
Well, there is a small incentive to do so. ;)
I almost gave up my spot, but I really would rather have it for a show on Saturday. I'm sick of running the JB3. 2 day option here as well, so I'll have it by Thursday. ;D
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just found this nice little chart for times/size of files
(http://www.oade.com/digital_recorders/hard_disc_recorders/images/r1_rec_time.gif)
From the Oade R1 page, but i believe these times work for all
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just found this nice little chart for times/size of files
for those who haven't seen this one yet, here is a good reference page for file sizes:
http://24bit.turtleside.com/pcm.wav.file.sizes.pdf (http://24bit.turtleside.com/pcm.wav.file.sizes.pdf)
similar to the one that Phil just posted, but this one shows more data formats at 24 bit...
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i didnt realize i was one of the first ten until i got the email but i am really cheap and opted for 3 day shipping since i have nothing to tape for a couple of weeks...
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I just got an e-mail from the German division of M-Audio. Apparently they just got the first units today and it will take them at least another week to send them out to German retailers.
I feel like I'm living in a third-world country.
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Hey guys, I just have some questions. I'd appreciate any help. I am looking to hit up 3 shows next week and have been having too many problems with my JB3, so I figured i'll try to get one of these by then. I'm currently running CMC-4>SP-SPSB-1>JB3. If I were to use a Dual 1/4 Male Plugs to 1/8 Stereo Female Jack, would that work fine? I figured since this thing can do phantom power, that this should work just fine without the battery box? Just checking this is the cable I need, the link to it is here http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-PHON-MINI-1 (http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-PHON-MINI-1) . Also, where do you think I should order it to have the best chance of getting it by next wednesday? I'm definitely not going to hold anyone to it, but i'm leaning toward cascade media right now. I'd appreciate any help, thanks.
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Hey guys, I just have some questions. I'd appreciate any help. I am looking to hit up 3 shows next week and have been having too many problems with my JB3, so I figured i'll try to get one of these by then. I'm currently running CMC-4>SP-SPSB-1>JB3. If I were to use a Dual 1/4 Male Plugs to 1/8 Stereo Female Jack, would that work fine? I figured since this thing can do phantom power, that this should work just fine without the battery box? Just checking this is the cable I need, the link to it is here http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-PHON-MINI-1 (http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-PHON-MINI-1) . Also, where do you think I should order it to have the best chance of getting it by next wednesday? I'm definitely not going to hold anyone to it, but i'm leaning toward cascade media right now. I'd appreciate any help, thanks.
I would be amazed if you got one by next week. I pre-ordered mine from Frank at Cascade Media, two months ago. He only got ten from his original order. Plenty of people on here are still waiting. Good luck , though.
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Hey guys, I just have some questions. I'd appreciate any help. I am looking to hit up 3 shows next week and have been having too many problems with my JB3, so I figured i'll try to get one of these by then. I'm currently running CMC-4>SP-SPSB-1>JB3. If I were to use a Dual 1/4 Male Plugs to 1/8 Stereo Female Jack, would that work fine? I figured since this thing can do phantom power, that this should work just fine without the battery box? Just checking this is the cable I need, the link to it is here http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-PHON-MINI-1 (http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-PHON-MINI-1) . Also, where do you think I should order it to have the best chance of getting it by next wednesday? I'm definitely not going to hold anyone to it, but i'm leaning toward cascade media right now. I'd appreciate any help, thanks.
My local Guitar Center just started stocking the MT, so you might want to check availability from your local store if you need one straight away.
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My local Guitar Center just started stocking the MT, so you might want to check availability from your local store if you need one straight away.
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Ditto. We can buy them locally in toronto already.
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Thanks guys. I wish I read those before I ordered it all last night. But it definitely is apprecited. Hopefully soundpros can pull through...
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Has anyone who pre-ordered their Microtrack from DJMart gotten theirs yet or a shipment notification email from DJMart? I just got back into town and noticed on their website that the Microtrack is now listed as "usually ships next business day" which would seem to indicate they finally did receive their shipment. I checked my email and didn't see any shipment notification email from them.
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Has anyone who pre-ordered their Microtrack from DJMart gotten theirs yet or a shipment notification email from DJMart? I just got back into town and noticed on their website that the Microtrack is now listed as "usually ships next business day" which would seem to indicate they finally did receive their shipment. I checked my email and didn't see any shipment notification email from them.
Latest I heard was that M-audio was shipping the next batch on the 26th and DJmart would have theirs soon after. That was the last email I got from that Natalia lady, although I am sure she is quite clueless about it all.
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I called them yesterday afternoon, and I'm still waiting for a return phone call. ::)
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Update from Portland....
We did get 10 last week (though we were supposed to get many more in the 1st run).... I just got confirmation that we are going to get the remainder of our order next week from M/Audio.
thanks,
Frank
Cascade Media
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thanks for the update frank! lookin forward to gettin mine...any word on the firmware release?
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thanks Frank 8)
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Update from Portland....
We did get 10 last week (though we were supposed to get many more in the 1st run).... I just got confirmation that we are going to get the remainder of our order next week from M/Audio.
thanks,
Frank
Cascade Media
Hooo-hooo !!! That means me !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thanks, Frank. :)
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Picked one up from Guitar Center in Natck, MA. They had a bunch on the shelf. $389.
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Picked one up from Guitar Center in Natck, MA. They had a bunch on the shelf. $389.
Reeeeally... :hmmm: Used to work down that way. Tempting, tempting...
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Picked one up from Guitar Center in Natck, MA. They had a bunch on the shelf. $389.
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised when you run yr sx-m2 right into the MT and give up the sbm-1 and your m1. Talk about stealthy!
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Picked one up from Guitar Center in Natck, MA. They had a bunch on the shelf. $389.
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised when you run yr sx-m2 right into the MT and give up the sbm-1 and your m1. Talk about stealthy!
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I also picked up a pair of xlr > 1/4 inch hosa cords to try out 4022 > MT for kicks. I'm guessing sx-m2 > MT will be the way to go.
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Does the MT say what gain level (dB's, steps, etc) is in use?
(it appears that gain over 12dB is digital so I want to know...)
Also: can one easily select the same amount of gain? (i.e.: does the MT remember this setting)
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I did a bunch of MT vs. 722 comps last night. Unfortunately, I have a cold and my ears are congested..
What I did was mount my HD280 headphones on my mic baffle with the 4061's sandwiched inside.
Then I played some purely acoustic bluegrass out my computer through the UA5 to the headphones.
I recorded with the 722 at 0 db gain and at 54 db gain. That should give us a baseline from which the gain of the MT can be determined.
With the MT, I did a bunch of recordings. Line in mode at min gain, line in at max gain, medium mode at min and max gain, 5 volt supply to 4061 vs. 9 volt bbox supply to 4061, 1/4 trs input vs. 1/8, etc.
All recordings were done at 24/44.1. I'll probably dither everything to 16 and seed it on easytree.
The good news.. I discovered that line in does apparently work on my mt. Somewhow I missed that the unit had to be turned off in order for the switch to have any impact. Also, line in is not supported on the 1/8 input (as chris at soundpro suggested), somewhat contrary to the manual. It was unfortunate that m-audio support missed this detail when I spoke with them.
A big question for me is whether I can do away with my bbox and run the dpa on 5v. If so, I will build a custom low-pro 1/4" input that sucks 5v from the 1/8" input. Another option would be to use a voltage divider to knock the 30v phantom down (but that would draw more from the battery).
I haven't fully evaluated the results. But in two bbox tests, I found that the peaks using the bbox vs. the 5volt with the dpa were very close. 12 db in one case and 13 db in the other. These weren't massively loud tests (by any means) so it remains to be heard whether loud signal handling is compromised.
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The good news.. I discovered that line in does apparently work on my mt. Somewhow I missed that the unit had to be turned off in order for the switch to have any impact. Also, line in is not supported on the 1/8 input (as chris at soundpro suggested), somewhat contrary to the manual. It was unfortunate that m-audio support missed this detail when I spoke with them.
What makes you think the line-in via the 1/8" input does not work? According to the manual...
"L/M/H Switch: Sets the operating mode of the 1⁄4” TRS and 1/8” inputs. Use the ‘L’ position for line-level devices. The ‘M’ position
should be used when recording from microphones. The ‘H’ position uses a higher gain stage on the 1⁄4” TRS inputs, which can
help when recording quiet signals or using microphones with low output levels. The ‘H’ position does not boost the input gain of
the 1/8” input."
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so has anyone tried?
how to go DPA -> microtracker? w/ Bass box? line in? or would I need a special connector of some sort?
how about going spdif in w/ a SBM1?
thanks!
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DPAs into a microtracker? Are you insane? That would never work!
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DPAs into a microtracker? Are you insane? That would never work!
yeah, crazy i know...
i'm looking for info in terms of connectors. all the 1/4" , 1/8" stuff confuses the hell out of me
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See the real life experiences thread. There's been quite a bit posted on this.
Bottom line, I think you're going to need to run the dpa's into the 1/4 inputs because the 1/8 inputs don't seem to support line in. There's a small chance you could omit the bbox and get power from the 1/8 connector. On my MT, it supplies power even when the 1/4 is selected as the record input. Also, the power on my mt 1/8" input is only 4.5v.
The beck show was 4061>sp bbox>20db atten>1/8 mic input
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Bottom line, I think you're going to need to run the dpa's into the 1/4 inputs because the 1/8 inputs don't seem to support line in. There's a small chance you could omit the bbox and get power from the 1/8 connector.
If the DPAs work using just the 30v phantom of the MT, then this setup would indeed work, right? Maybe that's something you could test? (provided you can plug your DPAs in, or have the correct cables to do so..) It would be a real stealthy setup!
Roel
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See the real life experiences thread. There's been quite a bit posted on this.
Bottom line, I think you're going to need to run the dpa's into the 1/4 inputs because the 1/8 inputs don't seem to support line in. There's a small chance you could omit the bbox and get power from the 1/8 connector. On my MT, it supplies power even when the 1/4 is selected as the record input. Also, the power on my mt 1/8" input is only 4.5v.
The beck show was 4061>sp bbox>20db atten>1/8 mic input
But you can run it this way with just the attenuator.... that isnt tooooo bad is it? I bought an attenuator long ago when I was taping with MD (before the days of my JB3s)...
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But you can run it this way with just the attenuator.... that isnt tooooo bad is it? I bought an attenuator long ago when I was taping with MD (before the days of my JB3s)...
Nope, won't work. I ran the attenuator behind my bbox. So the bbox is still able to supply full power to the mics.
I just checked and running the attenuator directly into the 1/8" results in the 4.5v being dropped to 2.0v.
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Bottom line, I think you're going to need to run the dpa's into the 1/4 inputs because the 1/8 inputs don't seem to support line in. There's a small chance you could omit the bbox and get power from the 1/8 connector.
If the DPAs work using just the 30v phantom of the MT, then this setup would indeed work, right? Maybe that's something you could test? (provided you can plug your DPAs in, or have the correct cables to do so..) It would be a real stealthy setup!
Roel
If you plug DPA 4060/4061 in a 30v phantom port, you will most likely fry them! There are not designed to run on a 48v supply.
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If you plug DPA 4060/4061 in a 30v phantom port, you will most likely fry them! There are not designed to run on a 48v supply.
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Thanks! I just got a PM with this info. I had just assumed all DPAs need phantom power. :banging head: Apparently these 4060/4061 mics need only 5 volts.
Thanks for the warning!
Roel
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Finally! DJMart received their shipment of Microtracks today. Orders will be shipped out tomorrow.
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:)
Just ordered my MT2496 from Frank at Cascademedia.net
just need to find a good compact flash card deal
Plan to use ToddR's juice box to help with a battery pack
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is this card adequate for transfer speeds?
http://www.sandisk.com/retail/cf.asp
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is this card adequate for transfer speeds?
http://www.sandisk.com/retail/cf.asp
It's the one I'm using, seems to work just fine.
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and what's the deal with Microdrives?
I found an "Apple" Hitachi 6GB Microdrive for $99+shipping.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7548764083
"This is IDE drive" "will work with TYPE II CF card readers "
Is a microdrive more subjective to interference similar to an ipod? Also, i imagine it will drain the battery faster
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Checked the guitar center in san jose, ca today. Guy said something about them having a few on the computer (I think he did at least) then comes back a bit later and we look around, couldn't find them. Asked me if I wanted to special order, said no of course, and was on my way. Oh well. Thanks guys for the tip anyways, seemed like a good lead. Hopefully the jb3 doesn't crap out on me again this week (Even if it probably will)
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Interesting...I talked to a guy at that San Jose Guit Center last Friday and he said they were expecting a shipment of Microtracks, due to arrive in "a week or two", and he took my phone number
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Finally! DJMart received their shipment of Microtracks today. Orders will be shipped out tomorrow.
Received a "Negotiate a Better Price" from them (what I had asked for) for $345US. Anyone else wanna try $325?
gonna give Frank from CascadeMedia first crack when I'm ready to take the plunge though...
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got an email from frank...he got the rest of his shipment in today! woohoo!
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with the issues they are having right now, I'm not too excited about jumping in and buying one. I need to dump digital data to it, so I'll wait until they fix that problem.
Wayne
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got an email from frank...he got the rest of his shipment in today! woohoo!
Nice, I have to check my email now to see if I have any word from him ...
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Now that I don't have the funds to pay for it...ARGH...Dman breaks needing to be replaced and puppies having growths on their lips! ;)
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FYI...I think most Guitar Centers have them in stock now and will beat ANY price. Online or not.
I called and my local (Nashville 100 Oaks) Guitar Center has them in stock and guaranteed the lowest price.
I also got a call from AudioMidi.com and they have them in stock as well ready to ship. Speak to Joe there.
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So do we have any reports of prices yet? I'm looking for the going rate today and not what vendors offered before shipment. I know that GC works on a commission so they have flexability in their pricing.
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UPS tracking says my MT is waiting for me ;D Yeah new toy :)
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got an email from frank...he got the rest of his shipment in today! woohoo!
me too :)
Go Frank!
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Also, finally, my MT should be in the mail. Expect it sometime next week.
Should I charge it once or multiple times? (to get the max capacity or lifetime of the battery)
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I called M-Audio about the first charge. I was told to forget what the display says and charge it for 6 hours the first time. I then ran it a little bit and charged it up for another 6 hours after that.
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Also,
When I called M-Audio they said it would be two weeks before the firmware update.
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Also,
When I called M-Audio they said it would be two weeks before the firmware update.
which means, if i know anything about software development schedules from working for webroot, that it will be released no sooner than mid november :P
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has anyone tried out the "Audacity" software that came with this?
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has anyone tried out the "Audacity" software that came with this?
Yes, but not via the MT package. I've used Audacity on and off for mastering. It's a nice freeware audio editing tool. It's UI is a little more clunky than the big commercial packages, but it works quite well for the things I need to do. And it works quite well for all sorts of things I don't need to do, if one installs the appropriate plug-ins.
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has anyone tried out the "Audacity" software that came with this?
If it's the same audacity that I'm thinking of, yes. It is a Open Source project http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ It's not a great product in my opinion, but then I own both Digital Performer and Logic. I started with Logic about 7 years ago and never really liked it, but kept doing a few of the updates hoping that things would change once Apple got a hold of it. It didn't, but they did include WaveBurner as part of the package now, and there isn't a tool like it on the PC for creating CDs (about the closest is Sony CD Architect). But, I digress, it is OK, but not the best in my opinion, but for the price you can't beat it.
Wayne
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Believe it when I see it...copied from rec.audio.pro
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.audio.pro/browse_thread/thread/ef5a9cb981273225/bd498b99bbf15f2d?hl=en#bd498b99bbf15f2d
topfloorproductions Oct 6, 12:20 pm show options
Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
From: "topfloorproductions"
Date: 6 Oct 2005 09:20:27 -0700
Local: Thurs, Oct 6 2005 12:20 pm
Subject: M-Audio Microtrack - new firmware details
Just got a reply from German M-Audio support regarding the upcoming new
firmware.
According to M-Audio support, the new firmware should be out within 1-2
days from now on www.m-audio.com
Here's the information I received in the email:
- not implemented: Mono recording
- not implemented: long Boot-up time NOT shortened
- not implemented: record line level over 1/8" plug
- implemented: L/M/H switch order corrected
- implemented: 24bit recording over S/PDIF
- implemented: play & delete files from "Files" menu
- implemented: pops and scratching noises during monitoring when
starting/stoping recording gone
- implemented: hold switch will now also prevent accidential
switch-off
- planned: rec/pause mode with monitoring (not sure if already in new
FW)
- ? no info received about monitoring when recording S/PDIF
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Any word on whether the 2GB autosplit feature will be included in this firmware release? That 2GB limit really bit me in the a** last night stealth taping the Green Day concert. I was recording at 24/48 and didn't realize they had reached the 2 hour point. The recording stopped at 1:55 and ended up missing the last 15 minutes of the show. Unless I know the band I'm recording plays short sets, I'll be recording future shows at 16/44.1 until this 2GB issue is resolved in the firmware.
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what mics did you run into the MT? can you comment on how does the pre/a>d sound? inquiring minds...
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Any word on whether the 2GB autosplit feature will be included in this firmware release? That 2GB limit really bit me in the a** last night stealth taping the Green Day concert. I was recording at 24/48 and didn't realize they had reached the 2 hour point. The recording stopped at 1:55 and ended up missing the last 15 minutes of the show. Unless I know the band I'm recording plays short sets, I'll be recording future shows at 16/44.1 until this 2GB issue is resolved in the firmware.
just buy another one and have it on standby.. hit record on MT #2 at 1hr 50min.. easy
edit: that is.. if you have the equiptment to do so..
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what mics did you run into the MT? can you comment on how does the pre/a>d sound? inquiring minds...
you should check out the beck show that freelunch put up on dime, he ran dpa4061's > batbox > mt. the venue is a horrible sounding venue and i think his recording sounds better than the show did tht night. i'm quite impressed.
also, there's comps up on cotapers.org that todd r (i think) did between a v3, an sbm1, and the mt.
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i didnt see know about the comp. thanks.
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i'm only listening on the crappy headphones plugged into my computer (too lazy to go get a good set) but i think it sounds pretty good. i'm quite impressed actually.
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Believe it when I see it...copied from rec.audio.pro
Here's the information I received in the email:
- not implemented: Mono recording
- not implemented: long Boot-up time NOT shortened
- not implemented: record line level over 1/8" plug
- implemented: L/M/H switch order corrected
- implemented: 24bit recording over S/PDIF
- implemented: play & delete files from "Files" menu
- implemented: pops and scratching noises during monitoring when
starting/stoping recording gone
- implemented: hold switch will now also prevent accidential
switch-off
- planned: rec/pause mode with monitoring (not sure if already in new
FW)
- ? no info received about monitoring when recording S/PDIF
Not too bad if they keep up the rate. (new update in a month, I wish?)
The essentials like the battery duration, 2GB auto-open, etc are not there yet.
The status of the `not implemented` items above means they can be done in software?
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The essentials like the battery duration, 2GB auto-open, etc are not there yet.
The status of the `not implemented` items above means they can be done in software?
when you say "yet" it implies that you expect those "essentials" to be fixed in a future firmware update. While I agree that something can be done to deal with the 2GB issue (and I really hope that they do it soon), the battery duration is not something that they can "fix" in a firmware update. it is what it is, and is not what they advertised. just get a small external pack if you need more than 2-3 hours.
From my point of view, there are only 3 issues with the current firmware:
- 24 bit S/PDIF
- 2 GB limit with no work around in place
- the unit freezes too often, and with a power down and power up, I may miss the start of a set.
of those issues, the first will be fixed with this firmware update, and no mention of the other two. I can only hope that the new firmware also provides more general stability, and the unit won't freeze up anymore.
I guess my main point in posting was: there are many things that can be fixed via firmware. but there are some that cannot. it is important to realize which is which, so we can focus our complaints to them on the issues that can actually be fixed.
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The essentials like the battery duration, 2GB auto-open, etc are not there yet.
The status of the `not implemented` items above means they can be done in software?
when you say "yet" it implies that you expect those "essentials" to be fixed in a future firmware update.
Yup..
While I agree that something can be done to deal with the 2GB issue (and I really hope that they do it soon), the battery duration is not something that they can "fix" in a firmware update.
I.e.: the cpu has no control over the charging process? Cannot be tweaked a bit?
I read that these Li-Polymer batteries need a 1C charge at steady voltage until the current drops to 0.
And that the voltage was the key to charge correctly (but not do damage) or to under- or overcharge.
If the voltage is set in hardware and is on the safe side a small mod could fix it? (smd resistor?)
it is what it is, and is not what they advertised. just get a small external pack if you need more than 2-3 hours.
2-3 hours without phantom is ridiculous.
From my point of view, there are only 3 issues with the current firmware:
- 24 bit S/PDIF
- 2 GB limit with no work around in place
- the unit freezes too often, and with a power down and power up, I may miss the start of a set.
I can agree with the latter two; the first one is nice but not necessary for my environment (I have yet to hear the difference between 16/44.1 and 24/96 with cheap but pro mics and batterybox, also there is no small ADC to accompany the MT?).
I guess my main point in posting was: there are many things that can be fixed via firmware. but there are some that cannot. it is important to realize which is which, so we can focus our complaints to them on the issues that can actually be fixed.
If it is really a hardware bug a PCB revision could fix it but I guess M-Audio won't replace the initial PCB's.
To correctly realize which is which, info on the PCB design could be helpful. (i posted some stuff about the ADC datasheet with questiosn about the line signal path)
Which is the most direct route to put bugs under M-Audio's eye?
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Is anyone else experiencing the recording meters fading or completely blanking after 30+ minutes of recording. I taped QOTSA(acoustic in-store) last night and after 30 minutes or so, all I could see on the display were the peaks. I stopped and restarted the recording after the first hour at 24/96(2gigs) but the full display of recording levels was still not present, just the peaks. BTW, I was running mk4(DIN) > lemosax > MT24/96.
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Does anyone have a dark LCD? At the normal contrast setting, mine is almost unreadable. I have to crank the contrast up to 1 or 2 in order to unblacken the background.
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first off, thanks for the good early morning discussion.
I.e.: the cpu has no control over the charging process? Cannot be tweaked a bit?
I read that these Li-Polymer batteries need a 1C charge at steady voltage until the current drops to 0.
And that the voltage was the key to charge correctly (but not do damage) or to under- or overcharge.
If the voltage is set in hardware and is on the safe side a small mod could fix it? (smd resistor?)
I agree that things could be tweaked, but I don't think major gains on battery life will happen. also, if we're now going into "small mods" that go beyond the scope of just firmware fixes, thats'a different story, and much more expensive for M-Audio. I don't see them offering up to replace some internal parts to gain some battery life.
it is what it is, and is not what they advertised. just get a small external pack if you need more than 2-3 hours.
2-3 hours without phantom is ridiculous.
if you need longer run times, run an external pack. how much run-time can we realistically expect from something like this. before the MicroTrack, one of the batteries that I carried was larger than the whole MicroTrack, let alone the battery in the MicroTrack. To acheive the small form factor, it's clear that they skimped on the internal battery, unfortunately. that's just the way it is, rediculous or not.
From my point of view, there are only 3 issues with the current firmware:
- 24 bit S/PDIF
- 2 GB limit with no work around in place
- the unit freezes too often, and with a power down and power up, I may miss the start of a set.
I can agree with the latter two; the first one is nice but not necessary for my environment (I have yet to hear the difference between 16/44.1 and 24/96 with cheap but pro mics and batterybox, also there is no small ADC to accompany the MT?).
from this comment, it's clear that we have very different uses in mind. I only care about recording a 24 bit S/PDIF signal from my V3. I don't care about the analog inputs at all, because I'll never use them. So we must both realize that we're going to have different measures when determining whether or not the MicroTrack is a success or failure. As far as not hearing a difference between 16/44.1 and 24/96, well then, I'd ask what you're listening on. For me, the difference between 16 bit and 24 bit is like night and day.
and for a small external A/D, if the internal one is not good enough for you, there is always the Core-Sound Mic2496. it is the same size as a Denecke AD-20. I know many people don't like Len at all and won't recommend his products. I don't really have any experience with Len, so I'll refrain from that whole discussion. But I do have a few 24 bit recordings made with the Mic2496, and they sound pretty good (a couple Phil shows, a Jorma show, and a couple others as well). If anyone would like to hear those, I'd be happy to set you up. just shoot me a PM.
I guess my main point in posting was: there are many things that can be fixed via firmware. but there are some that cannot. it is important to realize which is which, so we can focus our complaints to them on the issues that can actually be fixed.
If it is really a hardware bug a PCB revision could fix it but I guess M-Audio won't replace the initial PCB's.
To correctly realize which is which, info on the PCB design could be helpful. (i posted some stuff about the ADC datasheet with questiosn about the line signal path)
Which is the most direct route to put bugs under M-Audio's eye?
True, but I don't think it's realistic to expect that M-Audio is going to give us details on the internal design of the MicroTrack. just my opinion though.
Is anyone else experiencing the recording meters fading or completely blanking after 30+ minutes of recording. I taped QOTSA(acoustic in-store) last night and after 30 minutes or so, all I could see on the display were the peaks. I stopped and restarted the recording after the first hour at 24/96(2gigs) but the full display of recording levels was still not present, just the peaks. BTW, I was running mk4(DIN) > lemosax > MT24/96.
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Yes, this has been noted before, and I've experienced as well. not sure what's going on, but the recording continued without any problems. (I was running 16/48 via S/PDIF from my V3). for me, it's nto that big of a deal, because I use the levels on the V3.
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first off, thanks for the good early morning discussion.
You're welcome!
I.e.: the cpu has no control over the charging process? Cannot be tweaked a bit?
I read that these Li-Polymer batteries need a 1C charge at steady voltage until the current drops to 0.
And that the voltage was the key to charge correctly (but not do damage) or to under- or overcharge.
If the voltage is set in hardware and is on the safe side a small mod could fix it? (smd resistor?)
I agree that things could be tweaked, but I don't think major gains on battery life will happen. also, if we're now going into "small mods" that go beyond the scope of just firmware fixes, thats'a different story, and much more expensive for M-Audio. I don't see them offering up to replace some internal parts to gain some battery life.
OK, but the battery issue still could be a PCB design mistake. Theoretical life was estimated at 8 hours but due to the implementation (charging, PCB power consumption etc) things worked out less well.
it is what it is, and is not what they advertised. just get a small external pack if you need more than 2-3 hours.
2-3 hours without phantom is ridiculous.
if you need longer run times, run an external pack. how much run-time can we realistically expect from something like this. before the MicroTrack, one of the batteries that I carried was larger than the whole MicroTrack, let alone the battery in the MicroTrack. To acheive the small form factor, it's clear that they skimped on the internal battery, unfortunately. that's just the way it is, rediculous or not.
An out of production (more or less 'old') portable Sony DAT deck can run a 120 meter DDS2 tape for 4+ hours of audio and still have juice left for rewind, etc.
The Sony is a delicate mechanical device.
The M-Audio has fewer moving parts, no motors and better battery technology than two Duracell AA cells.
If it cannot record 4 hours straight (I remember 8 hour runtimes advertised?) it makes me wonder.
From my point of view, there are only 3 issues with the current firmware:
- 24 bit S/PDIF
- 2 GB limit with no work around in place
- the unit freezes too often, and with a power down and power up, I may miss the start of a set.
I can agree with the latter two; the first one is nice but not necessary for my environment (I have yet to hear the difference between 16/44.1 and 24/96 with cheap but pro mics and batterybox, also there is no small ADC to accompany the MT?).
from this comment, it's clear that we have very different uses in mind. I only care about recording a 24 bit S/PDIF signal from my V3. I don't care about the analog inputs at all, because I'll never use them. So we must both realize that we're going to have different measures when determining whether or not the MicroTrack is a success or failure. As far as not hearing a difference between 16/44.1 and 24/96, well then, I'd ask what you're listening on. For me, the difference between 16 bit and 24 bit is like night and day.
I will use small single ended mics. I will be recording in environments with limited SNR.
I am listening on gear that has sufficient `quality` and is above average (NAD entry level set, see forum for details).
Why would a recording in such a limited environment with my mics 24 bits (8+ bits of noise) sound better than 16 bits? (both `24`-bit ADC, etc)
I am not a nay-sayer but have yet to hear the benefits of higher resolution recordings with my gear. This means I am interested in 88 Khz at bits I guess?
When the 2GB issue is fixed I can do serious testing.
and for a small external A/D, if the internal one is not good enough for you, there is always the Core-Sound Mic2496. it is the same size as a Denecke AD-20. I know many people don't like Len at all and won't recommend his products. I don't really have any experience with Len, so I'll refrain from that whole discussion. But I do have a few 24 bit recordings made with the Mic2496, and they sound pretty good (a couple Phil shows, a Jorma show, and a couple others as well). If anyone would like to hear those, I'd be happy to set you up. just shoot me a PM.
I know the AD-20 ('inbox'?) and it is not small in my context. I went from a D7 with mic bodies to a D100/M1 with battery box and I don't want to go back, size-wise.
Is anyone else experiencing the recording meters fading or completely blanking after 30+ minutes of recording. I taped QOTSA(acoustic in-store) last night and after 30 minutes or so, all I could see on the display were the peaks. I stopped and restarted the recording after the first hour at 24/96(2gigs) but the full display of recording levels was still not present, just the peaks. BTW, I was running mk4(DIN) > lemosax > MT24/96.
Yes, this has been noted before, and I've experienced as well. not sure what's going on, but the recording continued without any problems. (I was running 16/48 via S/PDIF from my V3). for me, it's nto that big of a deal, because I use the levels on the V3.
It's still a bug. I do not watch or adjust levels during a show but functionality should not go away during a recording.
If this one is reproducable, just report it to M-Audio and persist...
Thanks for the discussion.
I am interested in the benefits of 24-bit in 'live' environments. Higher sampling rates are clear to me but the bit-depths make me wonder.
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From my point of view, there are only 3 issues with the current firmware:
- 24 bit S/PDIF
- 2 GB limit with no work around in place
- the unit freezes too often, and with a power down and power up, I may miss the start of a set.
of those issues, the first will be fixed with this firmware update, and no mention of the other two. I can only hope that the new firmware also provides more general stability, and the unit won't freeze up anymore.
Just to clarify, the post I copied from rec.audio.pro didn't really have much context to it. I'm not sure if the answer from M-Audio Germany was in response to specific questions the rec.audio.pro poster had asked or if it was inclusive of all the impending firmware upgrades. Just because the 2gig limit issue wasn't addressed in that message doesn't necessarily mean it won't be covered in this upcoming firmware release, although from the conversation Frank had with the M-Audio rep in the other thread, it doesn't seem like the 2gig limit was a top priority.
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Just because the 2gig limit issue wasn't addressed in that message doesn't necessarily mean it won't be covered in this upcoming firmware release, although from the conversation Frank had with the M-Audio rep in the other thread, it doesn't seem like the 2gig limit was a top priority.
I think that the priorities are:
- stable software: no freezes, no metering going away, etc (i.e.: must have)
- 2GB limit (auto-open new file without missing a bit) (i.e.: must have)
- playback metering (i.e.: must have shortly)
- other features like limiter, etc (i.e.: nice to have)
Those are of course just my opinions.
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I will use small single ended mics. I will be recording in environments with limited SNR.
I am listening on gear that has sufficient `quality` and is above average (NAD entry level set, see forum for details).
Why would a recording in such a limited environment with my mics 24 bits (8+ bits of noise) sound better than 16 bits? (both `24`-bit ADC, etc)
I am not a nay-sayer but have yet to hear the benefits of higher resolution recordings with my gear. This means I am interested in 88 Khz at bits I guess?
When the 2GB issue is fixed I can do serious testing.
IMO, the jump from 16 bit to 24 bit makes a bigger difference than higher sampling rates. I think the advantage of 24 bit for concert recording is the greater resolution it provides, not the dynamic range. it's true that most concerts probably have a noise floor of -40dB or so, so 16 bit is sufficient to capture that dynamic range. however, at 24 bit, everything is reproduced more accurately, and sounds more realistic. I guess for me, it's easier for me to close my eyes and imagine that I'm back at the show. That's what it's all about, right? :)
I know the AD-20 ('inbox'?) and it is not small in my context. I went from a D7 with mic bodies to a D100/M1 with battery box and I don't want to go back, size-wise.
I guess "small" is a relative term. as far as external gear goes, it doesn't get much smaller than an AD-20 (yes, it is the "inbox"). I guess a Sony SBM-1 is a tad smaller, but not much more. If those pieces of gear are too big, then I think you're stuck with using the internal A/D of the MT, and you've got to hope it's good enough.
Is anyone else experiencing the recording meters fading or completely blanking after 30+ minutes of recording. I taped QOTSA(acoustic in-store) last night and after 30 minutes or so, all I could see on the display were the peaks. I stopped and restarted the recording after the first hour at 24/96(2gigs) but the full display of recording levels was still not present, just the peaks. BTW, I was running mk4(DIN) > lemosax > MT24/96.
Yes, this has been noted before, and I've experienced as well. not sure what's going on, but the recording continued without any problems. (I was running 16/48 via S/PDIF from my V3). for me, it's nto that big of a deal, because I use the levels on the V3.
It's still a bug. I do not watch or adjust levels during a show but functionality should not go away during a recording.
If this one is reproducable, just report it to M-Audio and persist...
yes, it is a bug and it should be fixed. just that IMO, there are other, higher priority items (like the 2 GB fix).
Just to clarify, the post I copied from rec.audio.pro didn't really have much context to it. I'm not sure if the answer from M-Audio Germany was in response to specific questions the rec.audio.pro poster had asked or if it was inclusive of all the impending firmware upgrades. Just because the 2gig limit issue wasn't addressed in that message doesn't necessarily mean it won't be covered in this upcoming firmware release, although from the conversation Frank had with the M-Audio rep in the other thread, it doesn't seem like the 2gig limit was a top priority.
thanks for the clarification. I certainly hope the 2 gig issue will be resolved, but it also seems to me that it wasn't their top priority. hopefully sooner rather than later it'll get fixed.
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Part V (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=51640.0)