Topic: Hypercard TLs

[Brian Skalinder]

no wind noticeable in that tape.

So no wind noise...no phasing, either?

[phishn]

there was some minor phasing..not much at all.  there was minor wind..maybe 2 -3 mph.  of course, the limestone TS being so far away from the stacks..there will likely be some due to distance even with the light wind.

[phishn]

anyhows..back to the discussion..TL's in hyper mode kicks major butt...and you brought up a good point brian..it would be silly to make a decision to keep the bluelines just because of the shotgun feature..which i would be lucky to use since outdoor contitions are rarely ideal..  I'm gonna check out some TL->warm mod sources and then make a choice..I was really impressed with the 12-28-03 ADK hypers tape pull...

[Tim]

Limestone.

huh? outdoors like that is the perfect time to use omni's...

shotguns, yeeech. they really don't sound very good at all, just run hypers.

[phishn]

this was a 3 mic mix and sounded fine..with the 3rd mic being an omni.

[ingsy]

yeah..word has it that the festival this year is in upstate NY somewhere....

not to spread rumors but....i heard phish will start w/ a west-coast festival and end the summer tour with an east-coast festival...anyone else heard this?  
in terms of this thread, i have checked out most of the TL -> WMod UA5 shows in the archive, and this is the combo i will be buying this month for my first rig!  i am no expert by any means, but i think (or am hoping) that it will lessen the focus on the High Frequencies (cybals, etc.) that i noticed when listening to most TL recorded shows...then again, my playback system is shit so who knows?

[BCostigan]

I too was patched out of JDS' 3 mic mix.   I agree that omnis at a large outdoor venue like that are ideal but all the stars were in line or something because I think the tapes sound great.  The guns eliminated 99% of the crowd without sounding phasy or narrow.

[Tim]

mixed with an omni I bet they do sound sweet....

[Chuck]

What kind of bar does everyone use to set the patterns on LD's.
I imagine there is something with markers set for distance on ORTF, DIN and NOS? How do you set the angle correctly? I'm sure XY would require special rigging too.  I've seen the pics of Moke's rig in XY with the capsules one on top of the other.
If anyone has any specific recommendations on which bar to get I'd appreciate it.

I've never run larger mics, only SD's. I'm eventually going to get a set of those TL's.

[junkbondking]

ive run my tl's in hypers at the la forum, t&m in vegas, and the miami arena for the first nite.  the first 2 were xy hyper, and a regular stero bar, with one mic about 3" below the other.  tapes came out sick in vegas thats for sure.  now i pretty much run din/ortf as the halls i run in are smaller.  

when phish does play the festival in reno, i'm ready to run 20' split onmis with anyone else in the LD family just for shits & giggles.

[Chuck]

I like the Shure Vert bar. I put the mounts on, and place the mics at 0* straight forward in the mount. When I achieve a 90* near coincident angle, I am @ 17.5cm which is nearly perfect DIN (depending on your interpretation of din). Opening the shure bar slightly more gets me to a slightly wide ortf, or I just rotate each mic slightly outward in each mount.
This is w/ the TL's in the standard issue black mounts.

http://www.shure.com/accessories/a27m.asp?P=acc-adapters&PN=Microphone%20Clips,%20Stand%20Adapters,%20Swivel%20Adapters
I stepped in and fixed the link to make it complete.....

Moke: this thing?

[Chuck]

Thanks Moke.
I'm probably going to get the TL set with the B&K matching and the "deluxe" shock mounts. I wonder if that'll make difference with the vertbar?

[nic]

I found it easier to set up X/Y with the TL's when using clamps as opposed to the vert bar/mic bar contraption, but thats just me

[pfife]

If you can save a few bucks from this..... The standard mounts are totally adequate. You can mount a mic upside down w/ no worries of it coming loose!! You could shake the shit out of the mount, and not effect the mics positioning in the mount, fwiw....

I taped a quiet show at a bar a couple days ago here in town w/ my TL's, hypers, in XY (using a vert bar) - someone knocked over the stand, and the post hit a table, and he caught it, and set it back up;

After I normalized the recording in SF6 (RMS, not sure the % off the top of my head), the recording sounded really, really good, and you can hear the stand moving, but  suprisingly it did not make a huge, nasty sound on the recording...noticable, but not completely terrible.  I am going to give credit to the shockmounts for that!

As for the recording in general, I think it is the best one I have made yet.  I love these mics.

Question though- you can get 17.5 cms, but how does the dollar measure the angle?  Using the corner as a right angle or something?  I have often wondered how you guys know that the diaphrams were 120 degrees, etc. - is this a estimate, or a measurement?

[marc0789]

Chinese mic, maybe Chinese bill do trick.