Topic: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)

[bluewingolive]

^^^ The DSM mics from guysonic work well with PIP from the M10 (according to guysonic; I have never tried it myself).  DPA has a DC version of the 4061s (I think they are 4063s?) that might also work.  There are probably others as well...Someone here (illconditioned?) posted about a few mics with which he had success.

Did anyone ever compare the types of mics that run well on PIP with ones that need a battery box and/or test PIP-qualified mics for sound quality related parameters?
I mean: is there really nothing to lose by going PIP-only when doing loud stuff with PIP-specific mics?
Links to posts etc are welcome.

I guesss that's really the crux.
Scoob, aaronji....thanks for your inputs.

[kleiner Rainer]

there is another question that bugs me:

how "clean" is the signal you get from the PA system at a very loud show? I mean: does 2% THD from the mics due to lack of PIP level matter when you get 5% from PA and speakers, because they are both driven to their limits? And what about noise and hum from the PA system?

Greetings,

Rainer


BTW some great reading about the performance of human hearing:

http://www.audioholics.com/education/acoustics-principles/human-hearing-amplitude-sensitivity-part-1

http://www.audioholics.com/education/acoustics-principles/human-hearing-phase-distortion-audibility-part-2

http://www.audioholics.com/education/acoustics-principles/human-hearing-distortion-audibility-part-3

http://www.audioholics.com/education/acoustics-principles/human-hearing-reprise-part-4

[morst]

If the M10 has a basic clock rate of 48kHz, then wouldn't it double the clock jitter when you divide that in half to record at 96? I'm not planning to slow my recordings down by an octave, so I don't think I need to record signals higher than about 24000 cps.

[BobbyHurley]

Just wanted to share a LOL moment . . .

Bought a M-10 a few months ago. Love it. Retired the trusty JB3 after about a decade of service in the field. Running AKG 481/3 > Oade m-248 > GAK interconnects > M-10.

First time out, I was running in a pair of ceiling mounts, spaced about 25' and each equidistant to the PA stacks at our local venue. I noticed immediately that the left channel was much stronger than the right (or the right was much weaker than the left). I compensated with the Oade by adjusting the gain knobs accordingly and recorded the show. Back at home, I read all of the M-10 threads to see if this was a common/uncommon problem. Saw some similar issues, but hoped that I didn't get a bad unit.

Next time out, same thing only with the different channel. Frustrating.

Third times a charm. In setting up for the third outing, I happened to take a look at the filter switch on one of the mics - lo and behold, it had somehow gotten switched to low. I've never, ever touched them. Changed it back to zero (0). Miracle upon miracles, both left and right channels were happily paired.

Problem and mystery solved.

Game on.

[BlindGuyEars]

I hope this question isn't seen as being in poor taste here.

But, I'm considering going from R-09HR to PCM10. The rest of my rig is: CA Ugly or ST9100 preamp, and CA14 cards or DPA 4061's.

Anyway, is there a summary of these massive PCM10 threads somewhere? I thought I would ask before slogging through parts 1-6.
thanks
Chris

[vanark]

I hope this question isn't seen as being in poor taste here.

But, I'm considering going from R-09HR to PCM10. The rest of my rig is: CA Ugly or ST9100 preamp, and CA14 cards or DPA 4061's.

Anyway, is there a summary of these massive PCM10 threads somewhere? I thought I would ask before slogging through parts 1-6.
thanks
Chris

You can start here at the beginnings of an FAQ thread: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=147551.0

[bryonsos]

I hope this question isn't seen as being in poor taste here.

But, I'm considering going from R-09HR to PCM10. The rest of my rig is: CA Ugly or ST9100 preamp, and CA14 cards or DPA 4061's.

Anyway, is there a summary of these massive PCM10 threads somewhere? I thought I would ask before slogging through parts 1-6.
thanks
Chris

Do it! The battery life alone is worth it.

[SMBTapes]

I hope this question isn't seen as being in poor taste here.

But, I'm considering going from R-09HR to PCM10. The rest of my rig is: CA Ugly or ST9100 preamp, and CA14 cards or DPA 4061's.

Anyway, is there a summary of these massive PCM10 threads somewhere? I thought I would ask before slogging through parts 1-6.
thanks
Chris

Do it! The battery life alone is worth it.

Bryonsos, I know this isn't thread appropriate, but after not hearing from you for 3 or so days (even though you'd be online), I saw in another thread that mentioned that new members to the forum are limited to the amount of PMs they can send and receive in order to cut back on spam. With that being said, I don't think I've gotten your latest PM(s) to me. Could you email me at smbtapes.productions@gmail.com so we can continue on with our mic loaning agreement? Thanks!

[fmaderjr]

^^^ The DSM mics from guysonic work well with PIP from the M10 (according to guysonic; I have never tried it myself).  DPA has a DC version of the 4061s (I think they are 4063s?) that might also work.  There are probably others as well...Someone here (illconditioned?) posted about a few mics with which he had success.

Illconditioned wrote that that the AT853 mics and CA-11's, among others, do fine recording loud shows without a box. Of course the AT853's probably need the 4.7 mod whether you use a box or not. Chris Church does not recommend that the CA-11s be used without a box, but I haven't heard of anyone trying it who had a problem.

[eman]

I got my M10 yesterday, made the mistake of buying a standard SD card, you want the micro SD for that. FYI. BH didn't catch my mistake. Tinybox-M10-MK41: awesomely small package!

[celtic]

What settings give the best results when using an M10-Church Audio Battery Box- Church Audio CA-14 Cards??

[udovdh]

What settings give the best results when using an M10-Church Audio Battery Box- Church Audio CA-14 Cards??

Line in.
Levels peaking near -6 dB.

[aaronji]

^^^ Personally, I would go mic-in unless it is quite loud; the mic input is quiet and can take a pretty hot signal.  Line-in with a battery box won't give good levels for quieter sources, especially with less sensitive mics.

[willndmb]

^^^ The DSM mics from guysonic work well with PIP from the M10 (according to guysonic; I have never tried it myself).  DPA has a DC version of the 4061s (I think they are 4063s?) that might also work.  There are probably others as well...Someone here (illconditioned?) posted about a few mics with which he had success.

Illconditioned wrote that that the AT853 mics and CA-11's, among others, do fine recording loud shows without a box. Of course the AT853's probably need the 4.7 mod whether you use a box or not. Chris Church does not recommend that the CA-11s be used without a box, but I haven't heard of anyone trying it who had a problem.

i recently recorded a few shows with 853 > tb > m10
no mod
came out fine

[celtic]

^^^ Personally, I would go mic-in unless it is quite loud; the mic input is quiet and can take a pretty hot signal.  Line-in with a battery box won't give good levels for quieter sources, especially with less sensitive mics.

What would be a good number to start with on the rec level going mic-in on the M10?? I recorded my first show with the M10 at rec level 3 / mic-in and there was a noticeable hiss / noise on the recording. I've had my M10 and mics etc. checked and they are all fine, so I guess a rec level of 3 was too low. Would rec level of 6 be too high to start with going mic-in? I like to just set a level and put the recorder in my pocket and not be checking the levels throughout the gig.
I also have a Zoom H1 and have used the same mic's/battery box with the Zoom h1 and record at around 25/100 and never had this hiss/noise on a recording.