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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: Funky D on August 23, 2006, 02:23:12 PM
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Hey everyone,
I found this site doing some google usenet searching. Never knew there was such a huge community out there when it came to taping! I'm not much of a taper, but I figured you cats would be able to help out with my question.
I need a portable recording setup to do some sampling. I'll be recording everything from rain hitting a window to banging on pots and pans... stuff that will end up heavily edited and looped and layered into my music. I need 48V phantom power... I'll probably be doing most of the recording with a KM184 condenser. Mostly mono, although I may want to do some stereo work as well. And if I can get it all for around a grand, I'd be a happy camper :)
I've looked at some of the larger units (PDM-660, HD-P2), but I question the built-in preamps. If I'm going to get a seperate preamp, I'm guessing the microtrack or P-09 would be more cost-effective, but I don't even know where to start when it comes to portable preamps.
Just wondering if anyone else is using this type of setup and if you could point me in the right direction...
Thanks!
Paul
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welcome!
for an accurate recommendation, more information is needed..
what bitrate are you interested in working in? CD 1644? or do you need DVD? are you planning doing far field ambient (ie taping shows) recording?
also.. If you are mostly concerned with recording *just* sounds as you described, the preamps in the m660 or any of the new CF recorders should be sufficient (pmd670,660,671,tas hpd2).. but it will matter if you need 24bits as to what model of the aforementioned you end up buying.. if you solely need 16bit, Id say go with the marantz 660. It provides preamps good enough for the work you will be doing and provides 48v for plug and play with your km184.
the two pennies gathering lint in my pocket...
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Welcome! You might want to try "SEARCH" because there's a wealth of info that's already been written in these forums -- more info than you'll ever get in just this single thread.
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Thanks for the quick replies :) I work in 24/44... I'd be willing to upsample from 16 to 24 bit... I've read a few comments on the cheaper 24 bit units being pretty noisy, but I'm not sure if this applies when you use a seperate preamp. Not planning on taping any shows, other than band practice for our own reference. I may use the unit to record drums or guitars for loops, however.
I did do a bit of searching, but the wealth of material here makes it hard to narrow down on what you're looking for :) What are some popular portable preamps that people use with units like the microtrack or p-09? Actually, I just remembered that FMR makes the "really nice preamp", which is nice and small, but then I also realized I'd need to plug it into the wall!
Paul
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get an acm 660
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Well, I've done a bit more searching and have a more specific question... How would an R-09 connected to external pre such as the SD MixPre compare to a unit such as the HD-P2 using the internal pre? Similar performance? Would the R-09 combo sound better because of the external pre? Would the P2 sound better because of (I'm assuming) better converters and a balanced connection?
Thanks again for taking the time to read my newbie questions :)
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Well, I've done a bit more searching and have a more specific question... How would an R-09 connected to external pre such as the SD MixPre compare to a unit such as the HD-P2 using the internal pre? Similar performance? Would the R-09 combo sound better because of the external pre? Would the P2 sound better because of (I'm assuming) better converters and a balanced connection?
Thanks again for taking the time to read my newbie questions :)
Review (in progress) of the R-09 at: www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm (http://www.sonicstudios.com/r-09revw.htm)
Some already use R-09 for recording FX and ambient sounds with field mic + external preamplifier.
Look about a third down the page for Rolling Thunder #2 recording made with noted mic-preamp-R-09 system at: www.sonicstudios.com/mp3.htm (http://www.sonicstudios.com/mp3.htm)
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The ACM PMD 660 is a great machine, but it might not have the gain necessary for some of the things Mr. Funky wants to record. In his case for ambient sound recordings, the Basic Mod from Oade might be a better choice. I have the advanced mod 660, its gain is pretty good for all around general use, but it's not great for really soft sounds. Doug reports the Basic mod unit has a bit more gain.
just a thought...
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Thanks again for all the help everyone... I decided to go with the R-09 and MixPre. Picked them up on Friday and played around a bit this weekend. So far, so good :) Ordering a 2 gig card today so I can start having some real fun!