Topic: Just Out of Curiosity (Schoeps + 722/744 Content)

[Brian]

I've been enjoying my Schoeps>v2>722 rig quite nicely, but most of my pulls have been straight schoeps>722 (which I've also been pleased with). I'll transfer/seed more eventually.

would you mind expounding on your schoeps>722 recordings and how they sound?

i will be running schoeps>v2>722 as well but i am curious as how the schoeps match up with the 722 as an all in one. it would be nice to not have to bring out the V2+SLA all the time.

thanks!

[wbrisette]

i will be running schoeps>v2>722 as well but i am curious as how the schoeps match up with the 722 as an all in one. it would be nice to not have to bring out the V2+SLA all the time.

In the same vain, I'm curious what people who own the 722/744T think of the Pre-amps. I had one show where I had 4022 > 722, took the AES feed out and ran those into separate channels on the Deva. I wasn't impressed. Found out later neither was the owner of the 722. Could have been a bad mic configuration, but I wasn't impressed with how muddy the lower end sounded and that's not a characteristic you normally find with 4022 mics.

Wayne

[MattD]

If anyone believes it, I think the warmth of the 722's low end actually makes the 402x even less forgiving than a more neutral preamp. With a bad config/location, it's pretty easy to "blow up" the low end. I haven't been happy with the shows where I was stuck in the section - but that's nothing new to the 402x series. If you have run a pair for a while, you know this well. However, onstage or in "great sounding room" venues, the 722 brings life to the low end of my recordings. The ULN-2 was flat and more sterile in that respect and for me, the fits in quite nicely.

I haven't heard a recording yet that makes me want to deal with the hassle of running an external preamp into this box.

[Zee]

If anyone believes it, I think the warmth of the 722's low end actually makes the 402x even less forgiving than a more neutral preamp. With a bad config/location, it's pretty easy to "blow up" the low end. I haven't been happy with the shows where I was stuck in the section - but that's nothing new to the 402x series. If you have run a pair for a while, you know this well. However, onstage or in "great sounding room" venues, the 722 brings life to the low end of my recordings. The ULN-2 was flat and more sterile in that respect and for me, the fits in quite nicely.

I haven't heard a recording yet that makes me want to deal with the hassle of running an external preamp into this box.

After last weekend I will continue to run the V2 with the 722. Ive been running it both ways and I think the V2 takes the color out of the recording.

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

After last weekend I will continue to run the V2 with the 722. Ive been running it both ways and I think the V2 takes the color out of the recording.

I'm glad to hear a strong opinion on this.  Any chance of you putting up a comparison clip of each?  Is the difference subtle?

[wboswell]

I've put up a Black Crowes mk21>kc5>cmc6xt>722 recording from the Thomas Wolfe in Asheville and recently, a mk41>kc5>cmc6xt>722 Dinosaur Jr. recording from the Variety (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=16079 seeds are still around). 

The Black Crowes recording was a little heavy on the low end, but I don't want to lay blame on the 722...  the stand was never raised above 5' and was pretty far back in the auditorium to be running subcards.  I think if we'd have been a little closer, things may have turned out a bit nicer, but nonetheless, its a nice recording and is entirely listenable. 

I'm in love with the Dinosaur Jr. recording, though.  Its not quite as detailed as the V3, but as I've mentioned before, I think its a nice match with the mk41s.  Great imaging in that recording.  J.'s guitar will flatten you can hear Murph and Lou beside J., respectively, laying it down.  I can close put myself right back in the venue and hear them onstage.  Check it out if you're really interested in hearing the Schoeps>722 combo.  I think it speaks for itself.

One reason you don't see so many straight 722 recordings is that others, me included, haven't completely jumped ship from our older units, plus, its fun to play around with other options...  this IS supposed to be fun, right?  Sometimes we forget!

[nickgregory]

The Black Crowes recording was a little heavy on the low end, but I don't want to lay blame on the 722... the stand was never raised above 5' and was pretty far back in the auditorium to be running subcards. I think if we'd have been a little closer, things may have turned out a bit nicer, but nonetheless, its a nice recording and is entirely listenable.

sorry, the 5' was my fault...

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

I have said some nice things about the KM140>722 pulls I have and I stand by those.  But now that I've done enough shows in that configuration I'm interested in trying to get a different/better sound.  I guess that's my perverted sense of fun.

[Zee]

After last weekend I will continue to run the V2 with the 722. Ive been running it both ways and I think the V2 takes the color out of the recording.

I'm glad to hear a strong opinion on this.  Any chance of you putting up a comparison clip of each?  Is the difference subtle?

On  digitalpanic I have  7-12-05 4022>722 and 7-14-05 4022>V2>722 I ran the V2 all 3 nights at the wiltern so I dont have a venue comparison.

[Mic D]

Here's a link to one of my last pulls (Gov't Mule). Let me know if you need a seed.

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=15237

[tim in jersey]

FOB Mule 2005-06-05:

16 bit:  http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=15147
24 bit:  http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=15182

There are no seedesr on the 24 bit version, but I'll open a window for you when I get home in case you want to hear it.

[Brian]

here's a schoeps>722 source i recorded from a show in a bar(The Saloon @ 10k Lakes)

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=46989

[Rick]

i will be running schoeps>v2>722 as well but i am curious as how the schoeps match up with the 722 as an all in one. it would be nice to not have to bring out the V2+SLA all the time.

In the same vain, I'm curious what people who own the 722/744T think of the Pre-amps. I had one show where I had 4022 > 722, took the AES feed out and ran those into separate channels on the Deva. I wasn't impressed. Found out later neither was the owner of the 722. Could have been a bad mic configuration, but I wasn't impressed with how muddy the lower end sounded and that's not a characteristic you normally find with 4022 mics.

Wayne

Yes I wasn't happy. It sounded like crap  I'm hoping it was the venue, other wise I might switch to a V3/MicroTracker combo after ACL fest.

Rick

[nickgregory]

interesting Rick..I have only had the chance to run my 4022s->722 once and it was in a less than desirable venue and I was surprised how good it sounded...no looseness on the bottom end for me...need to run more tests though