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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: justme on July 03, 2020, 05:06:45 AM
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Previous thread:
https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=191640.0
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Preroll:
Menu > second page (middle dot) > Record > second screen (right dot) > Pre-Roll Time
Use the up and down arrows that appear at the top to adjust
Will ya look at that? I guess they added it with firmware v3.00, but I never really noticed it.
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I asked in the last thread but I should have been more clear. Powering the MP10? (USB-C isn’t an option).
I have a hirose cable that should fit a talent cell. Is that really the best option? Any particular talent cell I should look at? The on/off switches make me nervous, but then again, so does recording on a MixPre10 that doesn’t have a hold switch.... :shrug
So far, I’m really digging this thing.
If we are making a “want” list for firmware:
It would be nice to have a hold function and maybe the ability to see levels horizontally (if only using two or four channels).
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MixPre10 II
8 AA Eneloop Pro Battery Test. Ignore if you're not interested.
I just did a test with 8 AA Eneloop Pro batteries and four DPA mics. Got 2 hours and 27 minutes. So that makes me confident I can get two channels on 8 AA’s alone. But I need an external pack for more channels.
So, I guess my question is, do I go with the Sony L-mount option, or the Hirose (some external option)?
Thoughts?
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MixPre10 II
8 AA Eneloop Pro Battery Test. Ignore if you're not interested.
I just did a test with 8 AA Eneloop Pro batteries and four DPA mics. Got 2 hours and 27 minutes. So that makes me confident I can get two channels on 8 AA’s alone. But I need an external pack for more channels.
So, I guess my question is, do I go with the Sony L-mount option, or the Hirose (some external option)?
Thoughts?
Hirose with external of your choice
use the 8 "AA" for backup and hot swapping the externals
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MixPre10 II
8 AA Eneloop Pro Battery Test. Ignore if you're not interested.
I just did a test with 8 AA Eneloop Pro batteries and four DPA mics. Got 2 hours and 27 minutes. So that makes me confident I can get two channels on 8 AA’s alone. But I need an external pack for more channels.
So, I guess my question is, do I go with the Sony L-mount option, or the Hirose (some external option)?
Thoughts?
Hirose with external of your choice
use the 8 "AA" for backup and hot swapping the externals
What's the most popular external people are using?
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I like the L mount batteries! Sound devices is selling a rebranded Hawks-wood sled that is really nice. With this you could use the Hirose as a backup. I had the double sled initally, but prefer the MX-LM1 better for form factor.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1552857-REG/sound_devices_mx_lm1_l_mount_battery_sled_f_mizpre.html
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I like the L mount batteries! Sound devices is selling a rebranded Hawks-wood sled that is really nice. With this you could use the Hirose as a backup. I had the double sled initally, but prefer the MX-LM1 better for form factor.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1552857-REG/sound_devices_mx_lm1_l_mount_battery_sled_f_mizpre.html
that looks sweet but boy is it pricey.
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I know, I got a deal on a used setup with high capacity batteries and 2 chargers. It's my favorite battery setup and I still have a external usbc battery for a backup.
I like the L mount batteries! Sound devices is selling a rebranded Hawks-wood sled that is really nice. With this you could use the Hirose as a backup. I had the double sled initally, but prefer the MX-LM1 better for form factor.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1552857-REG/sound_devices_mx_lm1_l_mount_battery_sled_f_mizpre.html
that looks sweet but boy is it pricey.
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I see this is a new thread, so I guess I have to ask, how long now until the MixPre III-series comes along? ;-)
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How do I NOT record the mix track?
I just want the ISO tracks on the card.
Is that possible?
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in advanced mode
Rec L,R > off
you will see the L and R output busses no longer armed in red
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How do I NOT record the mix track?
I just want the ISO tracks on the card.
Is that possible?
I suggest using Custom Mode
Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced
that will give full control over your ISOs from the gain knobs on the front
in advanced mode
Rec L,R > off
you will see the L and R output busses no longer armed in red
this will then eliminate the Mix Tracks which you do not want
which you can do from Custom Mode as well
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How do I NOT record the mix track?
I just want the ISO tracks on the card.
Is that possible?
I suggest using Custom Mode
Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced
that will give full control over your ISOs from the gain knobs on the front
i think i am in that but i can't figure out how to back out to see if i am or not.
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How do I NOT record the mix track?
I just want the ISO tracks on the card.
Is that possible?
I suggest using Custom Mode
Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced
that will give full control over your ISOs from the gain knobs on the front
i think i am in that but i can't figure out how to back out to see if i am or not.
Menu 3rd page > System > Mode should say custom
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How do I NOT record the mix track?
I just want the ISO tracks on the card.
Is that possible?
I suggest using Custom Mode
Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced
that will give full control over your ISOs from the gain knobs on the front
i think i am in that but i can't figure out how to back out to see if i am or not.
Menu 3rd page > System > Mode should say custom
it does say custom.
Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced
got the mix grey'd out/off. thanks for that.
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Here's another question.
If I decided not to do 32bit float and wanted to go down to 24 bit again...
How would I control the analog gain before the A/D? Is there a certain system setting to make that happen? or could I use the
Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced
and just drop the bit rate down to 24? i don't think that would work though... seems the knobs are always post A/D in that setting.
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Back in the day, people were making racks for UA-5's out of dish racks from walmart. i still have my UA-5 in the one I made.
has anyone figured out a DIY rack build to zip tie a battery to the MixPre10 while lifting the deck off the bottom of the back to keep the Hirose from crimping?
I have a temp setup in my bag using velcro dividers that keeps the deck off the ground and the hirose from getting crimped. but i'd like to attach the Talent Cell to it somehow. I thought velcro but didn't want to sticky up the deck.
Anyone have their own solutions?
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Another question...
MixPre10 II:
Say I’m running two mics. Can I route those two mics to other open channels with a HPF engaged?
So....
Channel 1: Mic1 flat eq
Channel 2: Mic2 flat eq
Channel 3: Mic1 HPF
Channel 4: Mic2 HPF
Is that possible?
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Another question...
MixPre10 II:
Say I’m running two mics. Can I route those two mics to other open channels with a HPF engaged?
So....
Channel 1: Mic1 flat eq
Channel 2: Mic2 flat eq
Channel 3: Mic1 HPF
Channel 4: Mic2 HPF
Is that possible?
No. You'd have to use external Y-leads. Only the 8-series can do that internally where you can route the same mic to as many channels as you like all with different processing and gain settings.
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Here's another question.
If I decided not to do 32bit float and wanted to go down to 24 bit again...
How would I control the analog gain before the A/D? Is there a certain system setting to make that happen? or could I use the
Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced
and just drop the bit rate down to 24? i don't think that would work though... seems the knobs are always post A/D in that setting.
Just select 24-bit - the unit will then auto reconfigure the architecture to 24-bit.
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Thanks for always checking in with solid answers, Paul.
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Of course!
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BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
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Of course!
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BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
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PLEASE BE "HOLD" MODE!!!
(runner up, level control on wingman in certain modes)
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Of course!
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BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
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Or a low cost power module with a wide range voltage input and 1 minute backup power allowing battery hot swap?
Or possibility to configure the power on/off to star button and HP rotator function to a channel rotator. :)
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Or a low cost power module with a wide range voltage input and 1 minute backup power allowing battery hot swap?
with AA in the sled as "backup" I can hot swap USB batteries.....
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with AA in the sled as "backup" I can hot swap USB batteries.....
And with USB power, I can hot swap AA's!
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Of course!
<Tease mode on.>
BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
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HOLD on a second!
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Of course!
<Tease mode on.>
BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
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Will this update be applicable to the legacy MP6?
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Of course!
<Tease mode on.>
BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
<Tease mode off.>
Will this update be applicable to the legacy MP6?
Yes!
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Of course!
<Tease mode on.>
BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
<Tease mode off.>
Will this update be applicable to the legacy MP6?
Yes!
Perhaps adding support for 32-bit Float files in Wave Agent?
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I wonder if we'll see a new version of Wave Agent with macOS Catalina and beyond support. Desktop iMac in my signature is running High Sierra but I picked up a new MacBook a couple months back that came with Catalina.
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I wonder if we'll see a new version of Wave Agent with macOS Catalina and beyond support. Desktop iMac in my signature is running High Sierra but I picked up a new MacBook a couple months back that came with Catalina.
Wave Agent already works with Catalina .... it's all here in black and white ....
https://www.sounddevices.com/installing-wave-agent-on-mac-os-catalina/
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I wonder if we'll see a new version of Wave Agent with macOS Catalina and beyond support. Desktop iMac in my signature is running High Sierra but I picked up a new MacBook a couple months back that came with Catalina.
Wave Agent already works with Catalina .... it's all here in black and white ....
https://www.sounddevices.com/installing-wave-agent-on-mac-os-catalina/
Thank you Paul! That worked like a charm I must have missed something before.
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MixPre Firmware 7.10
Released: July 28, 2020
https://www.sounddevices.com/download/
Introducing front panel locks. Press channel knobs 1, 2, and 3 to enter the new Front Panel menu. Lock transport controls, touchscreen, channel knobs, and/or the headphone knob to avoid accidental changes or when you are leaving your MixPre unattended.
Additional USB keyboard shortcuts:
Ctrl + M = Add cue marker
Ctrl + F = File transfer mode
9, 0 = Channel screens 9 and 10 on MixPre-10T and MixPre-10 II
Ctrl + 1-0 = Toggle arm status of channels 1-10
Option + 1-0 = Solo channels 1-10
Ctrl + Option + 1-0: Mute channels 1-10
1 + 2 + 3 = Enters Front Panel menu
Change
Holding down a key on a USB keyboard for >0.5s now repeats the command. This improves usability of keyboards for setting gain and other functions.
Fixed
Elapsed time display is no longer missing from the home screen status bar of the MixPre-3, MixPre-3 II, MixPre-6, and MixPre-6 II.
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MixPre Firmware 7.10
Released: July 28, 2020
https://www.sounddevices.com/download/
Introducing front panel locks. Press channel knobs 1, 2, and 3 to enter the new Front Panel menu. Lock transport controls, touchscreen, channel knobs, and/or the headphone knob to avoid accidental changes or when you are leaving your MixPre unattended.
Additional USB keyboard shortcuts:
Ctrl + M = Add cue marker
Ctrl + F = File transfer mode
9, 0 = Channel screens 9 and 10 on MixPre-10T and MixPre-10 II
Ctrl + 1-0 = Toggle arm status of channels 1-10
Option + 1-0 = Solo channels 1-10
Ctrl + Option + 1-0: Mute channels 1-10
1 + 2 + 3 = Enters Front Panel menu
Change
Holding down a key on a USB keyboard for >0.5s now repeats the command. This improves usability of keyboards for setting gain and other functions.
Fixed
Elapsed time display is no longer missing from the home screen status bar of the MixPre-3, MixPre-3 II, MixPre-6, and MixPre-6 II.
SWEET! Anyone try it out yet? Throw a video on imgur.
BTW, THANKS PAUL! I feel like you had a hand in this much desired feature.
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Updating from v7.0 only took a single reboot, performed the update but haven't had time to use after updating.
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Updated to v7.10 and the lock controls are great! Haven't tested everything else out.
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I've tested a few things and so far so good. haven't tested live recording ;) the issues I had on v6 with using mics with mp as a usb interface (for zoom etc) is gone. that likely could have been user error but it worked as intended on 4 and 7.10. I restored to factory and reconfigured for good measure....
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I like the L mount batteries! Sound devices is selling a rebranded Hawks-wood sled that is really nice. With this you could use the Hirose as a backup. I had the double sled initally, but prefer the MX-LM1 better for form factor.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1552857-REG/sound_devices_mx_lm1_l_mount_battery_sled_f_mizpre.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1382309-REG/hawk_woods_sd_2_mixpwr_sound_devices_mix_pre.html
What's the difference in these two? I ordered the Hawk Woods one not seeing the other one but both are listed here at B&H.
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Same sled one is just rebranded as a Sound devices model! The only difference is price.
I like the L mount batteries! Sound devices is selling a rebranded Hawks-wood sled that is really nice. With this you could use the Hirose as a backup. I had the double sled initally, but prefer the MX-LM1 better for form factor.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1552857-REG/sound_devices_mx_lm1_l_mount_battery_sled_f_mizpre.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1382309-REG/hawk_woods_sd_2_mixpwr_sound_devices_mix_pre.html
What's the difference in these two? I ordered the Hawk Woods one not seeing the other one but both are listed here at B&H.
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I've run a few shows now on my MixPre-10 II with 7.10 installed. Loving it. My biggest grip with the mixpre was lack of a transport lock function.
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I've run a few shows now on my MixPre-10 II with 7.10 installed. Loving it. My biggest grip with the mixpre was lack of a transport lock function.
I just did my first run with it an hour ago for a soundcheck. loving the lock options on everything.
hopefully all goes well tonight too!
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im back on team mixpre. got a first-gen 6 again, and am attempting to break SD cards at max bitrate with 7.10 ;)
refresh me if im wrong, the first thread on the gen IIs was long... apart from the adjustable limiters, the analog input path is identical in both units, correct?
there was a comparison file offered from Sound Devices that compared low-level sounds on the II series in both 24-bit and 32-bit modes (https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=191640.msg2310463#msg2310463)
if you scroll down that page you will see the comp was criticized for not implementing dither on the 24-bit file
i wonder how the non-32-bit series I handles 24-bit. I would imagine dither would be implemented by default, but as Paul mentioned in the subsequent discussion, it was a design/implementation decision, decided to be of no consequence to the average user
that said, if dither is implemented correctly, could the series I at low level equal the performance of the series II at 32-bit (or perhaps be superior for those who choose to use series II in 24-bit?)
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im back on team mixpre. got a first-gen 6 again, and am attempting to break SD cards at max bitrate with 7.10 ;)
refresh me if im wrong, the first thread on the gen IIs was long... apart from the adjustable limiters, the analog input path is identical in both units, correct?
there was a comparison file offered from Sound Devices that compared low-level sounds on the II series in both 24-bit and 32-bit modes (https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=191640.msg2310463#msg2310463)
if you scroll down that page you will see the comp was criticized for not implementing dither on the 24-bit file
i wonder how the non-32-bit series I handles 24-bit. I would imagine dither would be implemented by default, but as Paul mentioned in the subsequent discussion, it was a design/implementation decision, decided to be of no consequence to the average user
that said, if dither is implemented correctly, could the series I at low level equal the performance of the series II at 32-bit (or perhaps be superior for those who choose to use series II in 24-bit?)
dude, first time out with the II series... never looking back. 32bit is a game changer. i don't foresee me ever needing another recorder ever again, unless i buy another mixpreX II just to have a second deck for multi stage festivals.
32bit is magic and completely relieves all my show anxiety around setting levels.
now i can focus my show anxiety toward location and setup (it's never going away. lol )
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im not really sold on 32-bit yet personally, though i ran my zoom that way in the few shows i had it before the world went to poop
i do appreciate the handiness of the modern multichannels like the zooms and mixpres, but the bit depth doesnt seem to be the limiting factor in the all-in ones, where the analog input stage is more of a compromise - in our typical situation you could fix your levels to a conservative level and not worry about it to the same effect
even the best dedicated pre and AD combo (which beats the all-in-ones by up to 20 dB or more in THD+N) cant really take advantage of the resolution that 32-bit float offers.
i did get through a full 7.5 hours at 8x24/192 with the mixpre6-I on FW 7.10 with a sandisk 128GB extreme without a hiccup, but thats just rolling file without real inputs.
I havent used that card in any other tests (and this is a different mixpre than the first one i did all the tests on) - so theres some variables to sort out. It could very well be they stopped the error reporting/file crash behavior and samples indeed are being dropped
ideally id like to see 'stable' operation (100 hrs at max bitrate with sinewaves that can demonstrate no dropped samples)
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[snip..] if dither is implemented correctly, could the series I at low level equal the performance of the series II at 32-bit (or perhaps be superior for those who choose to use series II in 24-bit?)
[snip..] the bit depth doesnt seem to be the limiting factor in the all-in ones, where the analog input stage is more of a compromise - in our typical situation you could fix your levels to a conservative level and not worry about it to the same effect
even the best dedicated pre and AD combo (which beats the all-in-ones by up to 20 dB or more in THD+N) cant really take advantage of the resolution that 32-bit float offers.
To my mind, this is the primary question which remains outstanding concerning 32-bit recording: Is the only real practical difference for tapers that for any given pair of microphones, one must first determine the optimal input level setting when recording in 24 bit? After which one is able to "forget about levels" when recording in either mode? 24-bit being "set-once-then-forget" as long as the microphones used do not change, while 32-bit allows one to skip that initial set-once part?
[edited to emphasize the "taping" constraint on the dynamic range requirements]
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I don't have any actual evidence, but I suspect a V3 at 24bit/48 that is absolutely dialed in running as hot as possible without clipping *might sound better than a MixPre II in 32bf/48, exported to 24/48.
But would the end result be THAT much better? idk.
What I do know is that hitting record on the 32bf/48 is much easier and less worry and sounds fantastic.
that would be a fun experiment.
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I don't have any actual evidence, but I suspect a V3 at 24bit/48 that is absolutely dialed in running as hot as possible without clipping *might sound better than a MixPre II in 32bf/48, exported to 24/48.
But would the end result be THAT much better? idk.
'better' in out application? probably 'different'. but if you looking at a preamp as what comes in goes out, on a distortion basis
mixpre: 0.005% max (@1 kHz, 22-22 kHz BW, gain=20 dB, -10 dBu in)
that translates to about -86dB of harmonic distortion, with a relatively hot -10dBu input bumped to +10dBu
we dont really have a spec on mixpre in a high gain situation
V3 is 0.0011% (-99dB of harmonic distortion) gaining 40dB from -20dBU to +20 dBU
V3 is 0.0046% (-87dB) at an impressive 60dB gain from -40 to +20
some of the top-of-the-line preamps like a benchmark MPA1, are 0.0002 to 0.0004% (-108 to -112dB) in THD+N
but some people prefer distortion in their sound (transformer pres. etc)
and thats not to say the mixpre AD stage isnt optimized for a lower input level.
for the separate component preamp the goal is to try to get the signal as hot as possible to maximize the capabilities of the ADC
remember that the EIN of all these components are pretty fixed around -130dB. low level signals will always be at a disadvantage which can be overcome to an extent by putting a sensitive cap on a mic with high output (like a 4006 on an MMP-A)
in our application (micing PA in a room with a dynamic range of like 60 dB at best), all of this is relatively academic, and features win. As far as simplicity im pretty sur ei could go into any venue and set the V3 at 25dB of gain and walk out with a good recording (indistinguishable from a 32-bit recording) with levels peaking between -25 and -8 dBFS.
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I wish i had a local venue that I could go in with my entire locker of gear and just play "Radiohead - The National Anthem" on repeat and switch out pres, mics, A/D's, locations.... Maybe throw in some Pink Floyd. That would be fun.
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SD has a guide for using the II series as an interface on mobile devices. They tease that it might work with the older machines as well.
https://www.sounddevices.com/mixpre-ii-series-as-audio-interfaces-for-tablets-and-phones/
MixPre II Series as Audio Interfaces for Tablets and Phones
Posted on December 22, 2020
The following set-ups have been verified with the MixPre II Series, but may also work for the first generation MixPre Series.
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Just ordered a Mixpre 6 ii... it'll be here Friday. I can't wait to focus on the show and not watching levels.
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Anyone using a Mixpre-10 with a two shelf Sonicase? I would love to see a pic if anyone is running this setup. I'm sure it would fit, but wondering how much extra space would be available.
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I wish i had a local venue that I could go in with my entire locker of gear and just play "Radiohead - The National Anthem" on repeat and switch out pres, mics, A/D's, locations.... Maybe throw in some Pink Floyd. That would be fun.
buddy up to some local sound guys, im sure its possible. maybe in some way you could make it worth their while and help them dial their mixes in?
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A new MixPre firmware update (v7.11) was released today.
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A new MixPre firmware update (v7.11) was released today.
This one doesn't seem to have much use to us, unless I'm missing something
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Latest Firmware: MixPre Firmware 7.11
Released: March 15, 2021
Change
Default isolated track names in Audio projects are now “Ch1”, “Ch2”, “Ch3”, etc.
Fixed
MixPre no longer becomes unresponsive following Low Cut Filter changes when a channel is off.
Pressing a channel knob no longer incorrectly accesses the Channel screen while in a Music project and connected to a fader control surface with the channel knobs locked.
MixPre M models no longer have to be power cycled before recording or playing back if factory defaults are loaded while connected as a computer audio interface.
MixAssist now functions properly following a power cycle on MixPre II models.
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A new MixPre firmware update (v7.11) was released today.
This one doesn't seem to have much use to us, unless I'm missing something
seems like a few UI bug fixes are relevant. Remember that mfrs dont always publish *all* the fixes in a firmware upgrade
im also leery to fix-it-if-it-aint broke, as it takes days to properly test the SD cards for buffer errors on these units
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I am upgrading to a Mixpre 10 and wanted to see what external batteries folks are using these days?? I have the Hawks-wood battery sled and L mount batteries, but would also like to have external power. TIA
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I’m probably an exception but have never looked back after moving out of dual output Tekkeon’s to Lithium Ion NP1 style batteries and a Remote Audio Battery Distribution System. I use the Sound Devices MX-Hirose battery adapter on my MixPre 6. If you are only planning to power a MixPre 10 you wouldn’t need a BDS and could just use an NP battery cup to Hirose 4 pin.
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^ Think I might try the Talentcell battery! They seem to be popular.
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they now make talentcells with USB-C (which is required to run MPs at full power)
https://www.amazon.com/TalentCell-NB7102-Rechargeable-17500mAh-Smartphone/dp/B07RDFM55J
they are considerably more expensive than the Anker USB-C batts that run $20-$30 and are known to work well
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I don't think you can power a MixPre-10 via the USB-C port. At least, you couldn't with the first generation.
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I don't think you can power a MixPre-10 via the USB-C port. At least, you couldn't with the first generation.
Correct.
Not possible with second generation either.
MixPre 10 II
AA Batteries: 8x AA sled (included); Energizer Ultimate Lithium recommended
L-Mount: Optional sled for 2x (hot-swappable) Li-ion batteries
AC Adapter: XL-WPH3 (included): Universal, 45 W in-line AC-to-DC power supply Hirose 4-pin DC plug, with detachable IEC power cord; 100-240, 50/60Hz
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The 10 doesn't use usbc batteries. It has a hirose battery input.
they now make talentcells with USB-C (which is required to run MPs at full power)
https://www.amazon.com/TalentCell-NB7102-Rechargeable-17500mAh-Smartphone/dp/B07RDFM55J
they are considerably more expensive than the Anker USB-C batts that run $20-$30 and are known to work well
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If you didn't want to go with NP1 style of battery with 4-pin Hirose cable then another viable option is Remote Audio Hi-Q battery with 4-pin Hirose adapter. Either will also work with Battery Distribution System using appropriate battery to BDS adapter if you wanted to expand options down the line.
NP1 Style and Hi-Q options are pro powering solutions and yes they do cost more, especially if adding a BDS but it's a lasting investment for rig power. To me the "TalentCell" battery is on par with the Tekkeon's which I am so glad to have moved away from, they were also popular.
Good Luck!
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So I'm getting my Mixpre 10 II setup and noticed every time I start it a message of timecode generator reset pops up. Is there a way to stop this? I have timecode turned off and I'm on the most current firmware. TIA
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There was a new firmware release today (7.12); is that what you have installed? One of the updates relates to timecode, so, if not, maybe that helps?
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I am on the 7.12 firmware and it still happens.
There was a new firmware release today (7.12); is that what you have installed? One of the updates relates to timecode, so, if not, maybe that helps?
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^ That's too bad. I figured it was kind of a long shot, but worth mentioning. Maybe try a factory reset? Otherwise, you might consider contacting SD's support unit. They are really responsive and helpful. I had a problem and they patiently walked me through quite a bit of trouble-shooting. In my case, they ended up deciding it was likely hardware and arranged all aspects of the return for me.
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My MP10II (7.12) does this sometimes, too. It may be a feature, not a bug! No harm, no foul, you can dismiss it or it goes away after a few seconds.
I also just tried turning TC on, power cycling, then turning TC off - and now it doesn't do it.
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Thanks! This seemed to work.
My MP10II (7.12) does this sometimes, too. It may be a feature, not a bug! No harm, no foul, you can dismiss it or it goes away after a few seconds.
I also just tried turning TC on, power cycling, then turning TC off - and now it doesn't do it.
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SD addressed this on the facebook group. Basically there is a small internal battery for the time code. When you see the warning it means it's not charged. Leaving the unit on for a while will charge it and you won't see the warning. Of course when the unit is powered off for a while it'll come back. So nothing to worry about!
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Okay, that makes since. It hasn't been used in a while.
SD addressed this on the facebook group. Basically there is a small internal battery for the time code. When you see the warning it means it's not charged. Leaving the unit on for a while will charge it and you won't see the warning. Of course when the unit is powered off for a while it'll come back. So nothing to worry about!
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MixPre Firmware 7.13
Released: May 11, 2021
Fixed
- MixPre no longer enters a state where there are level discrepancies between channels.
- MixPre-3, MixPre-3M, MixPre-3 II, MixPre-6, MixPre-6M, and MixPre-6 II now provide a higher current on USB-A when the unit is powered via USB-C. USB-A provides up to 500 mA. Use a powered hub if your peripherals require more than 500 mA.
https://www.sounddevices.com/download/ (https://www.sounddevices.com/download/)
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Thanks, got the e-mail from SD.
But wow, first v7.11 on 3/15/21, then v7.12 on 4/27/21, followed by v7.13 on 5/11/21. Hope they got it right this time!!! Appreciate the updates but the releases feel careless and untested by manufacturer when they are so close together.
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I'm not really concerned about the frequency of updates, it does mean they are addressing bugs quickly instead of waiting to gather them. I assume they considered the gain bug serious enough to warrant an immediate fix. The extra USB current looks like something they've already considered. My general concern is that any new update could be worse then the previous one - do I wait?
I never noticed the gain bug, but see that it came up on the unofficial SD Users Facebook page about May 2.
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Hahaha I was just eyeballing that USB-A and wondering how well it would work as a charging port!?!!!
MixPre no longer enters a state where there are level discrepancies between channels.MixPre-3, MixPre-3M, MixPre-3 II, MixPre-6, MixPre-6M, and MixPre-6 II now provide a higher current on USB-A when the unit is powered via USB-C. USB-A provides up to 500 mA. Use a powered hub if your peripherals require more than 500 mA.
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anyone used 7.13 in the field?
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That is what I'm running currently! Have only done some light home testing.
anyone used 7.13 in the field?
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Just got a 6 II. Struggling getting it up and running. Ordered AA lithiums as they suggested and still not enough power. Also with external. Next will buy the Sony L series.
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Just got a 6 II. Struggling getting it up and running. Ordered AA lithiums as they suggested and still not enough power. Also with external. Next will buy the Sony L series.
Get the 20100 mah usb-c Anker battery from Amazon. AAs are only good for backup in these.
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Just got a 6 II. Struggling getting it up and running. Ordered AA lithiums as they suggested and still not enough power. Also with external. Next will buy the Sony L series.
Get the 20100 mah usb-c Anker battery from Amazon. AAs are only good for backup in these.
that's the one. I should probably pick up a spare. Takes ten hours to charge via USB-C or about 24 hours to charge via USB-A but runs 4 kashmir preamps for about ten hours on my Mixpre6 (original version)
Helpfully, it has ten power level indicator dots so it's about one dot per hour up or down via USB-C with the thirsty preamps
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It looks like they may have discontinued it in favor of a smaller product, which is not surprising since it's a brick.
This looks to be the replacement: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Portable-PowerCore-Essential-Compatible-dp-B08LG2X98F/dp/B08LG2X98F/ref=dp_ob_title_wld
Here's the bigger version of the one we have: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Charger-PowerCore-Portable-Delivery/dp/B07XRJZXKY/ref=sr_1_19?dchild=1&keywords=anker+20100&qid=1622122329&s=electronics&sr=1-19
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I like small and light! More than enough time for a normal show mics + sbd
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XXP1SF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I have a nice L mount sled and batteries I can sell. LMK if you are interested.
Just got a 6 II. Struggling getting it up and running. Ordered AA lithiums as they suggested and still not enough power. Also with external. Next will buy the Sony L series.
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Just got a 6 II. Struggling getting it up and running. Ordered AA lithiums as they suggested and still not enough power. Also with external. Next will buy the Sony L series.
SD is pretty clear that AA batteries are not going to cut it and at best are there if a mid switch of external batteries are required. I have had luck with just about any USB C external battery at 10,000 mah or higher, so that should not be a problem and if it is there could be a problem with the deck.
That said, I have grown fond of using the Sony L batteries. They do work well and last a long while.
While recording using external batteries with the MPII, I have the AA's as a backup using the 8 battery tray, and when I record using the Sony L batteries, I use a USB C external battery as a backup, so this way in case of any weird emergency which of course would only happen in a very important recording, I am protected.
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NP-1 style Lithium-Ion batteries with assorted BDS’s and stand alone battery cups allow flexibility in power options with great run times for multiple devices in an audio bag or as stand alone. It’s nice that the MixPre-D and MixPre-10 come equipped with Hirose 4-pin power ports. Too bad SD didn’t include them with MixPre-6 or MixPre-3 but at least there are Hirose adapters for these recorders.
I may be in the minority here but after dealing with Tekkeon issues I decided to make the jump and have never looked back. The USB-C battery options that appear to be popular are on par with Tekkeon.
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SD is pretty clear that AA batteries are not going to cut it and at best are there if a mid switch of external batteries are required.
I don't know about that. I have recorded many shows using Eneloop Pros in the 8 AA sled. I think the longest was about four hours, with two channels of phantom, two of soundboard, and the mix (plus some playback on the train home). Since getting a USB-C battery, I mostly use that, with the 8 AA sled for redundancy, but I still sometimes rely solely on the AA's for shorter shows with no worries.
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SD is pretty clear that AA batteries are not going to cut it and at best are there if a mid switch of external batteries are required.
I don't know about that. I have recorded many shows using Eneloop Pros in the 8 AA sled. I think the longest was about four hours, with two channels of phantom, two of soundboard, and the mix (plus some playback on the train home). Since getting a USB-C battery, I mostly use that, with the 8 AA sled for redundancy, but I still sometimes rely solely on the AA's for shorter shows with no worries.
I've also run Eneloop Pros in the 8 AA sled, but with only two channels of phantom, at 24/192, and got just over 5 hours recording time.
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I saw a post by Sound Devices yesterday saying that they were halting production of the Mixpre 3 ii due to parts shortages. No estimate on restart date, so if you want one, now could be a good time.
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Ordered my MixPre-3 today, 23rd of June, from B & H
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Firmware version 7.16 for all MixPre models is now available! Version 7.16 introduces new routing options for USB 3 and 4 (MixPre-6, MixPre-6 II, MixPre-10T, MixPre-10 II) and performance enhancements (all MixPre models).
New
- USB 3 and 4 can now be routed to MixPre-6 and MixPre-6 II channels 5 and 6 or MixPre-10T and MixPre-10 II channels 9 and 10.
Changed
- USB File Transfer mode can no longer be initiated from a USB Keyboard while MixPre is recording.
Fixed
- Limiters are no longer incorrectly disabled in some Custom Mode setups.
https://www.sounddevices.com/download
The updated manual for II-series:
https://cdn.sounddevices.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/MixPre-II-User-Guide_01.03.22.pdf
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Firmware version 7.16 for all MixPre models is now available! Version 7.16 introduces new routing options for USB 3 and 4 (MixPre-6, MixPre-6 II, MixPre-10T, MixPre-10 II) and performance enhancements (all MixPre models).
I just installed 7.16 on my original Mixpre-6 (upgrading from 7.10). Has anyone played with 7.16 yet? I went ahead because of all of the bugs I have seen people talking about in recent firmware updates from the last year on their Mixpre Users FB Group (crackles/noise in recordings being the most frightening). However, I'm fairly nervous to depend on the new firmware when it hasn't been crowd-tested yet...
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Worked twice this week with Mixpre-6 and Mixpre-6II, 7.16 on both, no problem.
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Question about the MixPre<n>-ii Series devices:
I have recently acquired both a 3 and a 6. I took them out on 2 separate occasions over the last week for test stealth runs. For stealth, my device typically remains in a backpack for the entirety of the show. The pocket it is in is left open to allow for some ventilation, but it doesn't get much air across the unit inside of a bag.
For both devices, after approx 1.5 hour sets, I was alarmed by how warm the device was to the touch. It was not hot enough to the point where chips would start de-soldering, but it was way hotter than I would like to run any electronic device due to the increased wear on the hardware at such temps. For the second show, I came prepared and dropped a sports injury style gel cooling pack in next to the unit which did mitigate the temp issues. Practically though, it will be a real hassle to have to remember to freeze and bring along cooling for any stealth show.
Does anyone else experience warm / hot temps from the device while recording in such scenarios (in my case P48 was on and USB-C was connected to a battery pack providing power to the unit)? If you are, anything you are doing to mitigate? Just letting it run hot and not worrying about it? Should I switch to an L-mount style battery for power and skip the USB-C to help keep temps down? Any thoughts or tips you could provide would be useful / much appreciated!
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The sound devices units are made in aluminium with heat transfer from the internal components.
So a hot casing means cooler components inside.
That said - if the hotter outside casing is not given enough air to achieve convection cooling, the heat will be trapped in the unit.
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The sound devices units are made in aluminium with heat transfer from the internal components.
So a hot casing means cooler components inside.
That said - if the hotter outside casing is not given enough air to achieve convection cooling, the heat will be trapped in the unit.
Thanks for the reply. I'll give it another run tonight without the cooling pack with as much ventilation as I can get in the bag and try to monitor more closely / gather more data.
Generally, I would assume that these are mostly being run inside of a sound guy's bag - there isn't a ton of ventilation there and many times I guess the SD device will be sitting on top of / next to another device which will also be generating / putting off it's own heat, presumably exacerbating the problem.
Perhaps I am just overthinking it as I am used to devices that run far cooler e.g. D1, XLR-1, D50, A10, etc. I do wonder how much effect the simultaneous power via USB-C is having. I have since acquired an L-mount battery / adapter, so I will give that a go to see if that drastically affects the heat generated during use.
Thanks again for your reply / feedback.
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from the user manual:
ENVIRONMENTAL
Operating: -20°C to 60°C, 0 to 90% relative humidity; (non- condensing)
Storage: -40°C to 85°C
60C is 140 Fahrenheit for max operation temperature.
85 is 185 for storage, so the components can take that without damage to themselves, presumably while not in operation?
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I would be worried more about the lithium batteries getting hot. Supposedly when they get hot they explode, which is why they are not allowed in carryon luggage on a plane.
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The sound devices units are made in aluminium with heat transfer from the internal components.
So a hot casing means cooler components inside.
That said - if the hotter outside casing is not given enough air to achieve convection cooling, the heat will be trapped in the unit.
I wouldn't worry much. Sound Devices recorders are usually mounted inside a bag which can be rather crammed.
So I am sure they take that factor into account and probably having just some air circulation around the sides will be enough.
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Firmware version 7.16 for all MixPre models is now available! Version 7.16 introduces new routing options for USB 3 and 4 (MixPre-6, MixPre-6 II, MixPre-10T, MixPre-10 II) and performance enhancements (all MixPre models).
New
- USB 3 and 4 can now be routed to MixPre-6 and MixPre-6 II channels 5 and 6 or MixPre-10T and MixPre-10 II channels 9 and 10.
Changed
- USB File Transfer mode can no longer be initiated from a USB Keyboard while MixPre is recording.
Fixed
- Limiters are no longer incorrectly disabled in some Custom Mode setups.
https://www.sounddevices.com/download
The updated manual for II-series:
https://cdn.sounddevices.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/MixPre-II-User-Guide_01.03.22.pdf
Anyone running 7.16 in the field yet?
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Yes to 7.16. I didn't notice anything better or worse. Just a seamless show
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Next week I will! I just upgraded the other day. I'll keep you updated.
Firmware version 7.16 for all MixPre models is now available! Version 7.16 introduces new routing options for USB 3 and 4 (MixPre-6, MixPre-6 II, MixPre-10T, MixPre-10 II) and performance enhancements (all MixPre models).
New
- USB 3 and 4 can now be routed to MixPre-6 and MixPre-6 II channels 5 and 6 or MixPre-10T and MixPre-10 II channels 9 and 10.
Changed
- USB File Transfer mode can no longer be initiated from a USB Keyboard while MixPre is recording.
Fixed
- Limiters are no longer incorrectly disabled in some Custom Mode setups.
https://www.sounddevices.com/download
The updated manual for II-series:
https://cdn.sounddevices.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/MixPre-II-User-Guide_01.03.22.pdf
Anyone running 7.16 in the field yet?
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With the pandemic being almost over it is time for a concerttrip again. Took out my mixpre 3 II and updated the firmware. This front lock menu is great! A dream come true :-*
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I got a pair of sp-cmc-4 (at853) with the 4.7k mod from Soundprofessionals. This set I tried one time with the PFA from Naiant, like this: mixpre > pfa (xlr to female miniplug) > minijack > left/right stereo mic. Feeding it phantom power 48v (to be reduced by the PFA).
Would there be any reason to use the mic in from the mixpre? Probably to low volts? (Do i need a batterybox inbetween?)
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I noticed that the MixPre 3 II is back on the shelves.
That might push the second hand prices down a bit.
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Does anyone know if its possible to use an MP6ii to record cell conversations through any of the inputs including USB?
I tried this years ago with Scarlett 2i2 > Reaper. Followed videos and if I remember correctly couldn't make it work.
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Are you on macOS?
If so take a look at BlackHole Audio routing driver.
https://existential.audio/blackhole/support/
https://github.com/ExistentialAudio/BlackHole
They have some great guides.
Does anyone know if its possible to use an MP6ii to record cell conversations through any of the inputs including USB?
I tried this years ago with Scarlett 2i2 > Reaper. Followed videos and if I remember correctly couldn't make it work.
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Are you on macOS?
Nope, Windows. I am sure there is a way to do it, but due to the complexities I faced before I thought I would ask here before scouring the manual/YouTube.
Definitely still up to hear from tapers.
This deck is amazing. I wouldn't doubt if I could route my Samsung to it so I could use a mic and headphones. I used to podcast so I am hoping this decks ability to audio interface will save the day.