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Zee · « **on:** March 28, 2005, 02:18:12 PM »

Is anyone running u89is with this thing yet?

Tim · « **Reply #1 on:** March 28, 2005, 02:27:13 PM »

trey will be soon...

Zee · « **Reply #2 on:** March 28, 2005, 02:34:10 PM »

I’m ready to hear them :-) I’m seriously thinking of picking up a pair of u89is its a lot of cash though...

Tim · « **Reply #3 on:** March 28, 2005, 02:37:35 PM »

if you don't need a set right away buy them used on ebay. you can save a *lot* of cash. that's how Trey, Damon, and I all bought our u89s...

you can get them from studio's where they've been babied and kept in a smoke free environment

Zee · « **Reply #4 on:** March 28, 2005, 02:40:54 PM »

Did you guys try and find sets on ebay or just buy them one at a time?

Tim · « **Reply #5 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:06:58 PM »

Quote from: Zee on March 28, 2005, 02:40:54 PM

Did you guys try and find sets on ebay or just buy them one at a time?

one at a time. you won't find them in sets...

you can then send them off to neumann and have them tuned up and matched. I never did bother to do that...

dmonterisi · « **Reply #6 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:14:15 PM »

yeah, i bought them individually off of ebay as well. had them sent to neumann to be checked, cleaned and calibrated...i think it cost around $130 to do it and they got them back to me in about a week.

twoodruff · « **Reply #7 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:15:42 PM »

I am excited to try the 722 with the neumanns, should sound great. The u89s can be purchased as a set or individually. I have an extra set of shockmounts you can get off me. I would not pay over $2500 for a pair. They are great mics and you should have plenty remaining from selling your gear zee

Zee · « **Reply #8 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:17:33 PM »

Thanks for all the advice when my 722 shows up I think ill put the u89s on the top of my list.

Tim · « **Reply #9 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:26:36 PM »

you won't regret it.

I've been going through a bunch of old tapes lately and damn did I make some smokers with those mics

twoodruff · « **Reply #10 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:28:22 PM »

glad I talked you into them, fooeee on he who talked you out of them

Tim · « **Reply #11 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:29:38 PM »

Quote from: harry caray on March 28, 2005, 03:28:22 PM

glad I talked you into them, fooeee on he who talked you out of them

I talked myself out of them... sometimes I'm not so bright

Lil Kim Jong-Il · « **Reply #12 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:30:36 PM »

Why U89s and not TLM170s?

Zee · « **Reply #13 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:31:42 PM »

Quote from: harry caray on March 28, 2005, 03:15:42 PM

I am excited to try the 722 with the neumanns, should sound great. The u89s can be purchased as a set or individually. I have an extra set of shockmounts you can get off me. I would not pay over $2500 for a pair. They are great mics and you should have plenty remaining from selling your gear zee

I think you need a pair of 4022 then ;-) I am going to save my V2 I dont wont to let that thing go.

Zee · « **Reply #14 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:34:41 PM »

Quote from: Lil' Kim Jong-Il on March 28, 2005, 03:30:36 PM

Why U89s and not TLM170s?

Don’t know I have not thought about them. I might need to go listen to same tapes.. I know I like the sound of the u89s and I want a selectable pattern. Ill read up on them a listen to some.

Tim · « **Reply #15 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:53:19 PM »

Quote from: Lil' Kim Jong-Il on March 28, 2005, 03:30:36 PM

Why U89s and not TLM170s?

I think the u89s sound much, much nicer than the tlm170's. I think the 170's are rather flat sounding in comparison to the u89s.

Tim · « **Reply #16 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:58:12 PM »

here's a thread on this issue
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=33019.0

Zee · « **Reply #17 on:** March 28, 2005, 04:40:03 PM »

Yall know of any good comparison tapes for these 2 mics?

twoodruff · « **Reply #18 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:12:00 PM »

i dont have any comparisons, just get the u89is, they look cooler in appearance and in lineage

u89i>m148>v3

tlm170>ua5

JasonSobel · « **Reply #19 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:25:12 PM »

I think I also prefer the u89's. although I've got Levi's tlm170 source for SPAC (6/19/04 + 6/20/04), and they sound great. hit me up with a PM if you'd like to hear those shows. (fwiw, both nights are TLM170's(hyper's)> V2> MiniMe> DA-P1)

1st set only · « **Reply #20 on:** April 01, 2005, 02:11:16 PM »

Quote from: JasonSobel on March 28, 2005, 05:25:12 PM

I think I also prefer the u89's. although I've got Levi's tlm170 source for SPAC (6/19/04 + 6/20/04), and they sound great. hit me up with a PM if you'd like to hear those shows. (fwiw, both nights are TLM170's(hyper's)> V2> MiniMe> DA-P1)

isnt there a u89 source of the same show?

Tim · « **Reply #21 on:** April 01, 2005, 02:15:19 PM »

I think Bryan Austin may have been at those shows... so yes, there may be a u89 source out there

Brian · « **Reply #22 on:** April 01, 2005, 02:56:55 PM »

FWIW, there is a single u89i on ebay right now. 2 days left and it's only at 500 bones.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3278&item=7311542513&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Tim · « **Reply #23 on:** April 01, 2005, 03:07:56 PM »

--checks bank account---

Brian · « **Reply #24 on:** April 01, 2005, 03:15:29 PM »

Quote from: Tim on April 01, 2005, 03:07:56 PM

--checks bank account---

if this auction was about 2 weeks from now i'd might be all over it. I've seen too many u89s go for cheap on ebay to not go for a pair

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #25 on:** April 01, 2005, 03:19:59 PM »

the 170's are 'drier' than the 89's which have a 'warmer' feel IMO

i like the u89>v3 tapes especially

Tim · « **Reply #26 on:** April 02, 2005, 01:14:22 PM »

Quote from: Bean on April 01, 2005, 03:19:59 PM

i like the u89>v3 tapes especially

I'm sending a box of tapes to Heath... in there will be The Dead 7-10-03 from Red Rocks u89(subcard/nos)->v3... you should give it a listen

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #27 on:** April 03, 2005, 05:50:42 AM »

Quote from: Tim on April 02, 2005, 01:14:22 PM

Quote from: Bean on April 01, 2005, 03:19:59 PM
i like the u89>v3 tapes especially

I'm sending a box of tapes to Heath... in there will be The Dead 7-10-03 from Red Rocks u89(subcard/nos)->v3... you should give it a listen

hopefully heath will share

Brian · « **Reply #28 on:** April 04, 2005, 07:20:04 PM »

Quote from: S_TL-Taper on April 01, 2005, 02:56:55 PM

FWIW, there is a single u89i on ebay right now. 2 days left and it's only at 500 bones.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3278&item=7311542513&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

sold for US $979.99 to "chilly-water" can you say "STEAL" ?

baustin · « **Reply #29 on:** April 13, 2005, 06:11:26 PM »

Unbelievable!

I bought my u89i's brand new in early 2000 through a company in Connecticut. I was stupid and had no clue what I was doing. I could've saved a TON of money!

However, from what I understand, they're one of the last matched stereo pairs that Neumann made. On the other hand, they say the u89i's are so similar that there's no need to match them.

My mics did come in one of the big silver Neumann briefcases (which is pretty sweet, but too big to actually carry around), with shockmounts, windscreens, and cables.

I am looking for smaller shockmounts. Anybody know of any alternatives to the big Neumann baskets?

-BA

Tim · « **Reply #30 on:** April 14, 2005, 02:48:09 PM »

you don't need shocks, the capsules are internally shockmounted. Neumann sells a mount that screws into the base of the mic and then has an arm that attaches to a regular mic mount. I think they're like $200/pr from Neumann, Damon used them...

if you really want shocks I used the rode ld mounts... they are similiar to the adk mounts but fit a bit better

if I still had my u89s I would use the neumann mic mounts though, much smaller and easier to deal with

baustin · « **Reply #31 on:** April 15, 2005, 02:34:22 AM »

Quote from: Tim on April 14, 2005, 02:48:09 PM

you don't need shocks, the capsules are internally shockmounted. Neumann sells a mount that screws into the base of the mic and then has an arm that attaches to a regular mic mount. I think they're like $200/pr from Neumann, Damon used them...

if you really want shocks I used the rode ld mounts... they are similiar to the adk mounts but fit a bit better

if I still had my u89s I would use the neumann mic mounts though, much smaller and easier to deal with

Are you sure about this Tim? I've never read or heard anything about this. I know about the base attachment, but never considered it. In hindsight, I think I Dan Estrin actually used the base attachments. Can anybody elaborate on this?

Anybody have the u89i pics from Big Cypress. I had one that I'm trying to find right now.

-BA

MattD · « **Reply #32 on:** April 15, 2005, 09:10:35 AM »

I wish Damon still had these mics, since I'd have run them with the 722 by now.

twoodruff · « **Reply #33 on:** April 15, 2005, 10:17:35 AM »

just send me your 722 I will let you know how it sounds

dmonterisi · « **Reply #34 on:** April 15, 2005, 10:20:26 AM »

Quote from: baustin on April 15, 2005, 02:34:22 AM

Quote from: Tim on April 14, 2005, 02:48:09 PM
you don't need shocks, the capsules are internally shockmounted. Neumann sells a mount that screws into the base of the mic and then has an arm that attaches to a regular mic mount. I think they're like $200/pr from Neumann, Damon used them...

if you really want shocks I used the rode ld mounts... they are similiar to the adk mounts but fit a bit better

if I still had my u89s I would use the neumann mic mounts though, much smaller and easier to deal with

Are you sure about this Tim? I've never read or heard anything about this. I know about the base attachment, but never considered it. In hindsight, I think I Dan Estrin actually used the base attachments. Can anybody elaborate on this?

Anybody have the u89i pics from Big Cypress. I had one that I'm trying to find right now.

-BA

yeah, i used the swivel mounts for the u89's and I thought they were great. I spoke with doug oade and someone at neumann before I bought them and both confirmed that the capsules are internally shockmounted and do not require the big basket mounts unless you are going to be in a really unstable location (doug's example was micing a drum kit). running the swivel mounts with an AKG t-bar is ideal in some ways. the bar itself is 20 cm (8 in) on center to the screws and the swivel mounts are 5 cm (2in). so with the bar fully extended and the swivel mounts perpendicular to the bar, you get 20cm of separation for DIN and with the swivel mounts flared out to the side, you get 30 cm of separation for NOS.

i picked mine up individually on ebay for a total of about $1700 ($925 for 1 and $800 for the second)...sent them to neumann to be cleaned and checked for $175. i thought it was a great value. 5 patterns and great sound for $2k, try doing that with SD mics.

EDIT: the biggest detraction for the swivel mounts is that they do not swivel in the right way to use them with a shure vert bar to get a coincident setup for xy, blumlein or M/S. however, i think the BCostigan mod vert bar takes care of this problem for you, but unfortunately it had not been invented when i owned the u89's.

second edit:
from neumann's description:

"The capsule it is elastically mounted to avoid any structure borne noise that could interfere with its operation."

http://www.neumann.com/infopool/mics/produkte.php?ProdID=u89i (click on details)

Zee · « **Reply #35 on:** April 15, 2005, 04:11:03 PM »

I cant wait till i get my hands on the 722 I ordered..

It would be great if it showed up early next week. Black Crows, MMW, Trucks and then Jazz fest... Ohhh Man I cant wait.

Zee · « **Reply #36 on:** April 22, 2005, 12:14:42 PM »

Ohh man my 722 is on a fedex truck out for delivery. Derick Trucks tonight I cant wait to play with this thing. :-)

MattD · « **Reply #37 on:** April 22, 2005, 01:23:47 PM »

Zee, remember to start charging the battery the second you get it so you'll be good to go for tonight.

Zee · « **Reply #38 on:** April 22, 2005, 02:27:47 PM »

yeah I will for sure.. You have any pointer for the 1st timers with this thing? 4022>722

We have some good music in Houston this weekend. I wish I could have had it last night for the Black Crows...

nickgregory · « **Reply #39 on:** April 22, 2005, 02:43:55 PM »

go ahead and set the auto split at 2 GB or less....

Lil Kim Jong-Il · « **Reply #40 on:** April 22, 2005, 02:46:30 PM »

Quote from: Zee on April 22, 2005, 02:27:47 PM

yeah I will for sure.. You have any pointer for the 1st timers with this thing? 4022>722
We have some good music in Houston this weekend. I wish I could have had it last night for the Black Crows...

Go online to the SD site and download the manual now and read it. Also read through the 722 threads in here. Pay attention to the filesystem issues and follow the advice about drive management.

Look up that link for the 6000mAh batteries. One of those will get you though an entire show.

One configuration I would recommend is that if you know what gain you typically run with your mics, check the the menu setting for gain range. There are two ranges and you want to be on the correct range before the show starts. I ran one show where I almost ran out of gain adjustment because the unit was set at the higher range and I needed to go with a low gain setting. I think the default is the higher range.

My bitching aside, it's a sweet box, easy to run and sounds very good. You'll be happy with it.

edit: spelling

MattD · « **Reply #41 on:** April 22, 2005, 02:57:39 PM »

Check the firmware version. 1.24 introduced the transport lock feature. Set your bit depth and sample rate in advance b/c it will hold those in memory. I find that the DPA 402x need the higher of the two gain ranges, even for a show that I thought was reasonably loud, I was still +30 or so.

Set up the meters to Peak + Hold. Don't be freaked out by red metering lights ... there are four of them before you clip! (One of my pet peeves about the metering is that the cip light should be different than all of the others).

Zee · « **Reply #42 on:** April 22, 2005, 07:17:03 PM »

Okay I think I have enough to get through tonight... The gain settings were Normal or Low so I left them at normal. You were running at +30 with the 402X? Thats what I was wondering where the hell to even start out at. Its going to be a fun night!

Tim · « **Reply #43 on:** April 22, 2005, 07:24:04 PM »

enjoy!

Zee · « **Reply #44 on:** April 23, 2005, 02:00:11 AM »

I like

I like it A-Lot!!!

Well I did not have enough time to get a good charge on the bat so I lost the last 3 minutes of the show. Im listening to it through some cheap ass head phone i use when i jog but it sounds great. I ran at 24b 48 to try to save power.I had to keep it in stealth mode all night but the few times that I had the LEDs on it look good

. Well off to charge the bats.

Zee · « **Reply #45 on:** April 28, 2005, 09:52:32 AM »

http://search.ebay.com/u89_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8

Pricey this round.. Im ready to pick a pair up now so ill be watching ebay. Any of you u89 owners going to be in NOLA this weekend? I would love to run a pair infornt of the 722 for one of the mule shows.