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« on: April 08, 2005, 08:53:06 PM »
Anyone got pics of their gear and/or their rooms? Lets see them!
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2005, 09:48:37 PM »
I've been thinking of taking some picks of my modest setup....I'm waiting till the new speaker cables get here and then I'll post some.  :)

Show us yers Tim!  :D
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2005, 11:12:27 AM »
here is the amp - my (heavily) modded joLida 302a...



premod:


postmod:


more mod:


and more mod:


new pot, selector and feet:




i'll get a few more up of some of the rest of the gear this weekend...
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2005, 11:36:16 AM »
here are a few pics of what I've got (the good stuff, anyway)

Grace 901 - with custom silver cable (made by our very own Leegeddy), with 1/4" plug to RCA pair, for when I don't want to use my headphones.


Grado RS-2 headphones


Another picture of the Grace


one more :)

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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2005, 12:53:03 PM »
Place this URL inbetween the image tags   [img.] URL GOES HERE  [/img.]    and  you'll be posting a photo from Manley's website. (remove the periods after "img"
http://manleylabs.com/BIGPIXPAGES/SEPPNEOpic.html

Image tags point at local or WWW resouces.
In order to save space on Bri's HD you need to put the picture somewhere on the web.
Photobucket.com has worked well for a few on TS.com.
Photobucket allows you to U/L a pic and tells you it's URL without having to use that tricky "Right-Click>>Properties" thing.

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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2005, 12:55:24 PM »
macdaddy-

if you need a balance control knob, I may have one hanging around in my spares box.     ;)

Nice mods !

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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2005, 12:59:38 PM »
Place this URL inbetween the image tags [img.] URL GOES HERE [/img.] and you'll be posting a photo from Manley's website. (remove the periods after "img"
http://manleylabs.com/BIGPIXPAGES/SEPPNEOpic.html

Image tags point at local or WWW resouces.
In order to save space on Bri's HD you need to put the picture somewhere on the web.
Photobucket.com has worked well for a few on TS.com.
Photobucket allows you to U/L a pic and tells you it's URL without having to use that tricky "Right-Click>>Properties" thing.

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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2005, 01:29:07 PM »
Here's my system...

Music Hall cd-25 (PS-1 mod + op amp upgrade) >
Benchmark DAC-1 >
YS Audio Symphonies Plus tube pre >
McCormack DNA-1 (deluxe edition)  >
Von Schweikert VR-2's
All coming from a Panamax 5510 PC (which will probably be the first to go).


Interconnects:
Acoustic Zen Wow! - 1m coax (cd-25>dac-1)
Acoustic Zen Wow! -  1m rca's (dac-1>pre)
Acoustic Zen Matrix II - 1m rca's (pre>amp)
Acoustic Zen Hologram - 8' bi-wired (amp>speakers)

Power Cords:
Signal Cable Magic Power Digital - 3' (dac-1>PC)
Signal Cable Magic Power - 3' (pre>PC)
Signal Cable Magic Power - 3' (amp>PC)
Signal Cable Magic Power - 3' (wall outlet>PC)


62" Mitsubishi DLP Television (widescreen, HD)










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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2005, 01:54:15 PM »
WOW.....some impressive stuff so far.  I can't wait to see more!   Here's one from the "sweet spot" of my meager setup.  I'll post a few more in a bit.........




Here are a few more.  :)

Here's the rack....wish I could spread things out more but Heather has a stranglehold on the living room.  Someday I'll have a playback room! ;D

From top to bottom (excluding the cable box and Tivo)

-Toshiba 3960 (via either a pair of bumblebee rcas or canare lv-77s digi coax and a generic s-video )
-TEAC EQ....just a cheapy I like to use for old, rough sounding dead shows......and the blinky lights)
-Toshiba 4960 (via either pair Blue Truth rcas or Monster THX optical toslink)
-Sony STR-DE897 (man I need a new amp)
-Sony RCD-W1 (This thing has gotten almost no use in the last few years)



Pic of the left speaker.  Pair of Polk RTi8 and I really love these speakers.  Presantly connected using  Monster 14 gauge OFC and terminated with some monster bananas....I have some new cables on the way from leegeddy !


Just a pic of my new brass speaker spikes.  I can't really tell if they make a difference from the plastic ones my speakers came with but the definatly look better.



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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2005, 02:44:53 PM »
macdaddy-

if you need a balance control knob, I may have one hanging around in my spares box.     ;)

Nice mods !

+t for the offer...

i thought about having dual gain pots, but stayed with the TKD the volume pot; it is a quality component.

the shorter the chain, the truer the sound, and i think that at this point, adding a balance pot would quite possibly diminish the sound (however slightly) for something that is a convenience, and not an essential. i am a minimalist at heart...

for the record:

PS caps > Panasonic
wima caps > Hovlands
infincaps > Audiocap thetas.
volume pot is TKD
source select is elna
all input RCA's > Cardas 2x22 rhodium
speaker taps are upgraded as well
 new, stabilizing feet

the amp has been changed from pentode to triode operation, which involved soldering a 100k resistor (Kiwame) across pins # 3 and #4 on the EL34 sockets. i think this is the way to go with high sensitivity speakers...

funny though, the output is only 25 w/ch, which might seem piddley, but the unit cranks...
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2005, 04:21:57 PM »
Here's my sweetspot, w/ mess:




ASL QT1001 - Purchased from Audiogon about a month ago... love it...




Klipsch Heresy II - purchased from a friend w/ some high dollar speaker cable that was total shit for $400... He originally purchased them unfinished in 1991, and "finished" them rather poorly... I've been wanting to refinish them, but I'm pretty lazy... Home Depot speaker wire shown...



And finally, the sub I purchased from Ducati, w/ IXOS interconnects from Jason B:

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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2005, 05:49:31 PM »


And finally, the sub I purchased from Ducati

Bastard.  :)


Nice amp too.  Man......all these tOOb pics are making me drool.
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2005, 02:31:23 AM »
Here's my system...


can i come to your house some weekend and watch movies? ;D

pfife, i think i need to visit you as well ;)


Because nothing says "I have lots of money and am sort of confused as to how to spend it" like Bose.

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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2005, 02:59:56 AM »
LOVIN IT!!!!

looking good guys... I'll snap some pics tomorrow...
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2005, 10:28:20 AM »
Here's my system...


can i come to your house some weekend and watch movies? ;D


Sure. It's a wonderful experience.  :P

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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2005, 10:42:04 AM »
i might not leave :P


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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2005, 10:47:12 AM »
This is my current configuaration.  I reconfigured the rack so it would be lower and I moved the amp to the top.  After Tim posted pictures of his new amp, I couldn't stand it - the tube cage had to go.  I move the seat into position for listening sessions, otherwise it's off to the side.

The front end pieces are: Denon 2900 Multiformat player, Tascam DA20, Nak DR3 cassette deck
The preamp is CJ PV14L and amp is Premiere 11A with (currently) Svet 6550s
Speakers are Von Schweikert VR4JR
I'm using cardas and MIT330 shotgun ICs, MIT750+S2 to the monitors and taralabs TSII to the bass cabinets.
The sub is a vandersteen 2wq but I have not had it connected since I needed the cables to try bi wiring the mains.

The pictures are: shot from behind seating position, shot from the listening position, some pictures of the gear.
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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2005, 10:52:46 AM »
nice system. where did you buy the stands?

And oh yea, What does your system consist of?
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2005, 10:56:44 AM »
nice system. where did you buy the stands?

I designed and built it.   It's pretty straight forward.  About an afternoon in the woodshop and then as long as it takes to finish depending on how fancy you want to be.

Edit: forgot to answer this.  I modified the post with the pics
And oh yea, What does your system consist of?

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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2005, 11:07:51 AM »
nice system. where did you buy the stands?

I designed and built it.   It's pretty straight forward.  About an afternoon in the woodshop and then as long as it takes to finish depending on how fancy you want to be.

+t for that! the stand is nice (the gear aint bad, either :P)

another in 12...
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2005, 01:26:28 PM »
ok, not nearly as impressive as some, but what the hell...

this is the view from behind my couch (some would call it a listening spot :P)



this is a better view of the tv, sony 34" CRT HD Widescreen, below it is the samsung 360 D-TV box...complete POS..cant wait til DirectTV goes to MPEG4 and I can replace the box...and a VCR, which I have no idea why I have it down there still



Stereo Rack made by Plateau, got on UBid for $130...great buy imo...Sony 3000ES receiver, Samsung HD841 DVD (used primariliy for audio), and an older Sony DVD player (used for video), and Xbox/accessories...



JSE Inc. Speaker...JSE owned the patent to the infinite slope technology that Joseph Audio now owns and uses in their speakers...info on infinite slope here:

http://www.josephaudio.com/essay.islope.html



though I didnt take a picture of it, I have bose satellite rears for surround sound, all the speaker cables are canare, the analog interconnects are ixos and canare cables, and the digital connections are bettercables brand...

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2005, 03:38:48 PM »
here is the amp - my (heavily) modded joLida 302a...

So how do you like the Jolida?  How much improvement did you get from the mods?
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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2005, 04:14:53 PM »
My current rig, from the listening spot (with the coffee table moved out of the way):


Tube P0rn:


Right now the rig is:
Simaudio Moon Eclipse LE CD Player >
Audio Research SP16 >
Audio Research VS55 >
ProAc D25

Speaker cables are MIT MH750 Shotgun Biwire and IC's are MIT MH330+S2.

Fun thread... 

That sub's lookin' good in it's new home pfife!

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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2005, 04:39:09 PM »
It's a shame we all live so far apart.  I'd love ot hear some of these other systems.
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2005, 07:05:24 AM »
It's a shame we all live so far apart.  I'd love ot hear some of these other systems.

Agreed. 
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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2005, 09:15:09 AM »
It's a shame we all live so far apart.  I'd love ot hear some of these other systems.

Agreed. 

Well, if you could hear my system, you'd say "damn, those Klipsch have some harsh highs at loud volumes"!  - that's how I feel about them... I'm not really in the mood to purchase new speakers yet... wondering if there's a way to temper it with some warmer toobs or something...

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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2005, 12:38:32 PM »
It's a shame we all live so far apart.  I'd love ot hear some of these other systems.

Agreed. 

Well, if you could hear my system, you'd say "damn, those Klipsch have some harsh highs at loud volumes"!  - that's how I feel about them... I'm not really in the mood to purchase new speakers yet... wondering if there's a way to temper it with some warmer toobs or something...



Some acoustic treatment would really help.  PM me for a local source and DIY pics.

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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2005, 12:40:10 PM »
Do you mean acoustical foam?  I might have a line on a boatload of free stuff tonight, actually!  Pm coming soon...



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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2005, 01:06:39 PM »
In my shots there are some free standing panels on the left wall.   They are a pine frame around compressed fiberglass panels covered with batting and burlap.   Small investment of work and they helped in my room. 

Even if you get the foam, you might consider making covered freestanding panels.  They are easy to move into position for critical listening and then you can put them aside to keep the rest of the household happy the rest of the time.

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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2005, 01:29:11 PM »
kevin, now I know I need to head down there thi summer, just put a reserved sign on your couch for me!  ;D
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« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2005, 01:37:32 PM »
kevin, now I know I need to head down there thi summer, just put a reserved sign on your couch for me! ;D

Plenty of room here. Come on down!

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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2005, 01:47:57 PM »
Do you mean acoustical foam?  I might have a line on a boatload of free stuff tonight, actually!  Pm coming soon...





Foam works ok for diffusion, but not much at all for absorbtion.  You probably need more in the form of absorbtion.  Compressed fiberglass panels (duct board) work well.

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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2005, 07:42:44 PM »
In my shots there are some free standing panels on the left wall.   They are a pine frame around compressed fiberglass panels covered with batting and burlap.   Small investment of work and they helped in my room. 

Even if you get the foam, you might consider making covered freestanding panels.  They are easy to move into position for critical listening and then you can put them aside to keep the rest of the household happy the rest of the time.



Those look nice- where do you move them to for critical listening?

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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2005, 08:17:26 PM »
Those look nice- where do you move them to for critical listening?

I was speaking in general, since usually the best place for floating panels is not a frau approved location.  I used to move one of the panels to the right side to help deaden some of the reflections that come from sound bouncing off the walls in L part of the room.  Since that is usually a walking path, I can't leave it there all the time.  The other panel I would shift to the first reflection point for the left speaker.

As positioned in the photo (and stay there pretty much all the time), one gets the first reflection point for the left speaker and the other gets the first reflection point for the right speaker.  Since one panel just barely hits both left side first reflection points, the best results I've had were with the panels positioned as they are in the photo.

What gets moved around for critical listening are the argent room lense clones.  They are unfinished and look like crap but work pretty well.  I put one outboard of the right speaker and the other I don't have figured out yet.  There is not really room for it outboard of the left speaker and with the panels there I didn't perceive any benefit.

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« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2005, 08:27:19 AM »
The dog in my photo is part of my comprehensive acoustical treatment  ;D

I toss some pillows on top of the back of the couch at first point of reflection for the left speaker, and for the right I open the window.  You can't see in the photo but there's a set of double windows just off that rack. 

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« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2005, 08:34:24 AM »
I need to do something about reflection, I do think...  Or at least try it before other options more expensive...  a little reading on audiogon is telling me that I might have a bit too much toe in...
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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2005, 08:35:21 AM »
here is the amp - my (heavily) modded joLida 302a...

So how do you like the Jolida?  How much improvement did you get from the mods?
sorry lil kim, id didnt see the post until today...

i bought the unit modded by a guy on audiogon. then fedex dropped it, so i sent it back to him, he replaced the circuit board with a new one from jolida, we talked about the mods (like putting it in triode), he did the work, and then sent it to me...

i know how special it sounds (relative to what my ears have heard throughout my lifetime), but i have never heard a stock joLida (mine or anybody else's), so i have no idea how much was improved...


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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2005, 09:26:35 AM »
I'm not seeing much, if any, toe in on y'alls speakers... is there a reason that one should/shouldn't toe in the speakers?  I always thought it was the way to go, but that's just more of an unfounded assumption than anything else... plus, I am reading that toe in might have something to do with the bright hi's...

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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2005, 09:32:01 AM »
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i bought the unit modded by a guy on audiogon. then fedex dropped it, so i sent it back to him, he replaced the circuit board with a new one from jolida, we talked about the mods (like putting it in triode), he did the work, and then sent it to me...

Do you know what the mods were that were done?  Just curious, i've rebuilt a few older dynaco st-70s and a pair of mk IVs, I can't imagine these are too difficult to work on, just wondering what people are doing to them.
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2005, 10:13:42 AM »
I'm not seeing much, if any, toe in on y'alls speakers... is there a reason that one should/shouldn't toe in the speakers?  I always thought it was the way to go, but that's just more of an unfounded assumption than anything else... plus, I am reading that toe in might have something to do with the bright hi's...



I think it's manufacturer and room specific.  When I was running the Thiels, they didn't respond well to toe in beyond an inch or so.  They got bright the more on axis to the seating position.  I have always run speakers with no toe-in when I initially set them up or in a new room.  Then try toe-in as I get used to the sound.  With the speakers forming the base and the seating position the apex of a triangle,  I've had best success with toe-in when the speakers were on the long wall and I was sitting closer to the base than the width of speakers.  Along the short wall, when the seating position is further from the base than the base width, little or no toe in has been best to my ears.  I have a limited range of experience with different speakers so ymmv.

I think part of the advantage of toe-in is that the first reflection points are put further off axis.  But wall treatments can provide a similar effect.  If you want to try something in your room, move your speakers to have toe-in of just a small amount and then "treat" your walls at the reflection points using blankets.   If you have some wood around the house (plywood sheet or make a simple frame out of 1"x2") make a support that will allow you to hang a few layers of blankets and place them along the walls to see if that helps.   You could hang the blankets directly on the wall if you have a strong picture hook on each side, you can drape the blankets over a rod and hang the rod from the hooks with a string tied to each end.  If you hang the blankets so that they are bunched, that will help to defract any reflections off the blankets.  Thats a cheap/non invasive test and if it helps, build some fiberglass panels.
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2005, 10:14:52 AM »
I'm not seeing much, if any, toe in on y'alls speakers... is there a reason that one should/shouldn't toe in the speakers?  I always thought it was the way to go, but that's just more of an unfounded assumption than anything else... plus, I am reading that toe in might have something to do with the bright hi's...



It's hard to tell looking at the photo, but mine are actually toed in so I can't see either side of the speaker.  This means the tweets are firing right at my ears.  With the ProAcs, you want that...  With my old B&Ws gawd they killed me when toed that far.

Toeing your Heresys out may well soften the highs--but it will also soften the mids.  Does anyone know the dispersion characteristics of horn-loaded tweeters?  I've never had one and don't have direct advice to offer here.

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« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2005, 10:19:10 AM »
http://www.foambymail.com  My room is literally covered in 4 inch pyramid with bass traps in all the corners.  I also have some high end panels as well.
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2005, 11:48:33 AM »
I'm not seeing much, if any, toe in on y'alls speakers... is there a reason that one should/shouldn't toe in the speakers? I always thought it was the way to go, but that's just more of an unfounded assumption than anything else... plus, I am reading that toe in might have something to do with the bright hi's...



The speakers I'm using right now have rear ambience drivers in the back so when they are toed-in, the rear drivers are actually "toed-out". This can create a huge "hole" in the middle of the ambient soundfield. The vr-2's require very little/no toe-in when the rear drivers are active.
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2005, 12:19:08 PM »
http://www.foambymail.com  My room is literally covered in 4 inch pyramid with bass traps in all the corners.  I also have some high end panels as well.

That's funny, foambymail.com (Foam factory is 5 min from where I sit at this very moment).  Curious which bass traps you are using.  Again foam does very little for absorbtion.  You could have probably used 1/2 as much duct liner and I wouldn't think you want a room full of diffusors????

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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2005, 01:26:13 PM »
this is shanon tweed b-grade skinimax porn by y'all's standards. :P

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B&W CC6 S2 (center speaker)
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Onkyo DV-SP800 universal player
tivo
some non-working POS DAT deck that i borrowed from somebody
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« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2005, 01:28:06 PM »
MMMN love those FST midranges.  They look like yummy little waffle cones.   ;D

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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2005, 01:31:22 PM »
MMMN love those FST midranges.  They look like yummy little waffle cones.   ;D

they look even better on the 802's when fully enclosed in that polycarbonite stuff that they used to freeze Han Solo in Empire Strikes Back.

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« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2005, 01:48:29 PM »
Right now nothing...in the past: Schoeps CMC6, AKG 480, AKG 460, AKG 414, MBHO 603a, Neumann KM100, ADK TL>Schoeps MK4, Schoeps MK2, Schoeps MK41, AKG ck61, AKG ck62, AKG ck63, Neumann AK40, Neumann AK50, MBHO ka200>Lunatec V2, Lunatec V3, Apogee Mini-Me, Oade M148, Oade M248, Sound Devices MP2, Sonosax SXM2>Sony (mod)SBM1, Apogee AD500>D7, D8, D100, M1, R1, R4, R09, iRiver HP120, Microtrack

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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2005, 03:41:59 PM »
http://www.foambymail.com  My room is literally covered in 4 inch pyramid with bass traps in all the corners.  I also have some high end panels as well.

That's funny, foambymail.com (Foam factory is 5 min from where I sit at this very moment).  Curious which bass traps you are using.  Again foam does very little for absorbtion.  You could have probably used 1/2 as much duct liner and I wouldn't think you want a room full of diffusors????

What in the world is duct liner at curiosity?  Like air conditioning ducts?  I use bastraps from realtraps.com, the foam ones work pretty well if done right, but I was looking for somehting a little better looking. 

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« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2005, 05:20:41 PM »
Yes, it lines duct in office space to keep down the noise. It is basically a much more dense version of pink insulation and very effective at treating rooms.  Search the home theater builder forum at avsforum.com and look for linacoustic.  Those bass traps are nice!  Time to go play!!

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« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2005, 11:09:52 AM »
Time to check out the site.  Thanks!
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2005, 12:21:32 PM »
For tube traps, consider http://www.knauffiberglass.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=prd.dspProdDetail&ID=1

You can get the tubes in diameters up to 24".  To make a tube bass trap, use liquid nails to completely seal the seams and afix MDF endcaps.  Then cover with batting (to contain glass fibers, you really need to do this) and fabric.  The tubes come in 3ft sections so you can stack pairs as needed to reach the ceiling.   

For half rounds, split the tube along the seam and liquid nail rigid glass panel to make the back.  Cap and finish as with the tube.
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« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2005, 01:54:00 PM »
Or if you have the room stack some pink panther in the room corners!  I tried the above, but didn't pass WAF.

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« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2005, 02:05:42 PM »
Or if you have the room stack some pink panther in the room corners!  I tried the above, but didn't pass WAF.

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Even with nice fabric?

I have the same issue. 
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« Reply #54 on: April 13, 2005, 02:33:25 PM »
She said she could deal with one garbage can (SVS PC22-31) in the room but not 2-4 more!

BTW, I've notice quite the jump to tubes as well.  They sound good, but I'll be sticking to SS. 

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« Reply #55 on: April 13, 2005, 04:43:33 PM »
My wife completely nixed room treatments, even fabric covered.  As in "Pack your things, we're divorced"

Hehe since she puts up with stupid money hifi (and other) purchases, I'm ok with that  ;D

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« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2005, 07:44:56 PM »
There was great skepticism and posturing when I announced my intention to make the panels.  So I spent extra on the fabric and her response to the panels was "they look better than I thought they would".  So that means I have full reign of the main room and I can build 9ft tall tube traps, no? ;-)

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« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2005, 02:16:44 AM »
If you don't playback so loud, room treatments aren't as important.......

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« Reply #58 on: April 14, 2005, 07:43:01 AM »
no, the issues just aren't as apparent   ;D

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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #59 on: April 14, 2005, 09:09:41 AM »
If you don't playback so loud, room treatments aren't as important.......

Agreed Scott, you just can't hear the flaws as well, but they surely do exist.  I truly believe that besides upgrading speakers, room treatments are a close second when it comes to changing the sound of your system.
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #60 on: April 14, 2005, 09:13:43 AM »
My problem is that I really, really, enjoy listening to music quite loud...

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« Reply #61 on: April 14, 2005, 01:40:39 PM »
If anything, real loudness makes room problems more apparent.  More energy==more bass and more surfaces excited.

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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2005, 04:24:38 PM »
If you have a good system you don't need loudness.  The details are already there.

In fact, you know you have a good system when it's relaxing to listen to, doesn't sound loud, yet you're energizing the room.  As I progressed up through the hifi chain, I found that this ease and relaxation was one of my favorite things about good hifi equipment.  I can quite literally talk on the phone, chat with my wife, etc while listening to the hifi--and this at normal listening levels.  With all the details.  MMMMMMN

Bad hifi is just gets plain LOUD and fatigues my ears.

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« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2005, 06:14:14 PM »
my stereo gets loud and I don't even realize how loud it is until someone speaks to me.... it is never fatiguing and doesn't seem nearly as "loud" as it really is.
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2005, 06:20:49 PM »
my stereo gets loud and I don't even realize how loud it is until someone speaks to me....

yup.......but do the walls literally shake etc?  ;D 8)    I wish we all had spl meters so we could come up with the same definition of "loud".   
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« Reply #65 on: April 14, 2005, 07:06:15 PM »
System:
Display: Infocus 7205 HD2+ DLP w/ Da-Lite HCCV screen
AVR: Marantz SR-7200 (has to sound good until iLink is seen on more pre/pro)
Speakers: Onix Rocket 750/200/250 (mounted on wall)
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« Reply #66 on: April 14, 2005, 07:09:09 PM »
speakers.. and some acoustic treatment (Knauf brand duct liner)

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« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2005, 07:10:08 PM »
projector...

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« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2005, 07:38:32 PM »
Nice setup Scott! :o

Those Onyx speakers look a LOT like the Rosewood Swans. (beautiful)
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« Reply #69 on: April 14, 2005, 08:08:40 PM »
love that room Scott....
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« Reply #70 on: April 14, 2005, 08:52:46 PM »
If you have a good system you don't need loudness. The details are already there.

I actually have a hard time turning my sytem up real loud. When it's loud, I'll get sorta paranoid and start doing stuff like peeking through the blinds... because I'll hear something that's not really there. Anyone else have this problem? :)

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« Reply #71 on: April 14, 2005, 08:54:04 PM »
Nice setup Scott! :o

Those Onyx speakers look a LOT like the Rosewood Swans. (beautiful)

QFT.  that's pretty damn awesome.
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« Reply #72 on: April 14, 2005, 09:03:11 PM »
damn scervin - that is a serious home theater. i would love to have the overhead projector setup someday...

i had to zoom in on your bar - those glasses looked like huge tubes to me at first...

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« Reply #73 on: April 14, 2005, 09:04:18 PM »
Scott,

How do you like the rockets at curiosity?  Are they the sig version or not?

That room is quite nice, what are you using for treatments?  Tweaks?

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« Reply #74 on: April 14, 2005, 09:43:53 PM »
Wow, thats a beautiful room.   I bet watching a game in there really sucks.  ;-)


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« Reply #75 on: April 14, 2005, 09:54:28 PM »
Music Hall CD-25 with upgraded op-amps (OPA627)>Cardas Neutral Reference .5M>Sennheiser HE60/HEV70 (aka Baby Orpheus)



Nice headphone rig, I'd like to get a new amp for the cans though. 

This is a great thread btw, i gotta go back and see pics of everyone's rigs...

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« Reply #76 on: April 14, 2005, 10:21:23 PM »
Scott,

How do you like the rockets at curiosity?  Are they the sig version or not?

That room is quite nice, what are you using for treatments?  Tweaks?

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Room treatments are all based off of Knauf duct liner.  True RTA was used to take room measurements.  Most difficult part is finding that happy medium between a theater room, multi channel audio and 2 channel.  Finding that "live" but also "dead" sound is hard.  Had to make some sacrifice to get this where it would work well for both.  Next house= 2 rooms!  For the most part I'm happy with the system for right now.  Next year I will be upgrading to something like the Anthem D1 or Aragon Stage One and EAD Powermaster amp or similar.  Anybody wants me to take a look at a room I'd be more than happy to help you spend some money.  Actually, I'm helping a buddy right now.  He is going all out with motorized theater seats and riser.

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« Reply #77 on: April 14, 2005, 10:30:14 PM »
I actually just parted with the Swans.  The upgrade bug had been absolutely killing me, and bonus time was right around the corner, so I paid, in cash for once, for a new pair of VMPS 626r's with all the fillings.  They are being built by Brain Cheney as we speak.  The upgraded cabinets are directly ordered somehow or another from Mark of rocket fame.  I actually had one of Mark's reps walk me through fixing one of the cabinets of one of the swans as UPS abasolutely destroyed one of the corners (long story) on the way to my buyer.  Thanks god for insurance and lawyers!  I loved the swans, so I was kind of assuming they were of similar sound.  The 1000's look awfully tempting for when I move back East come early next year for my agency.  I should be buying a place and can actully house two systems, two and HT.  I would love to take a listen sometime, and bring the 626's with!

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« Reply #78 on: April 14, 2005, 10:58:30 PM »
Looks great!!!!!
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« Reply #79 on: April 14, 2005, 11:16:09 PM »
god DAMN Cervin! So can we watch the super bowl at your pad next year? :P

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« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2005, 02:16:28 AM »
wow, all of this stuff is fun to look at.

Can I ask roughly how much did some of you guys spend on this stuff.  Not including the tvs and junk, but mostly just the amps, speakers, receivers, and cd/dvd players.  doesn't have to be exact, just estimates if you don't mind.

I'm hoping that one day when i'm finally happy with my taping rig i can start working on my home audio setup.  Just wondering how much money i'm gonna have to drop one day.


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« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2005, 07:44:36 AM »
6 grand and counting...
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« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2005, 07:52:14 AM »
m0K3-  Don't ever get rid of that Plinius.  Man what great amps!  Speaker placement rocks, my wife would shoot me before that ever happend.  Well done my man!

Scott B-  Great setup!  Arcam gear looking sharp as always.  The guy I deal with just moved companies and no longer can get that Arcam gear at a great price.  I should have taken advantage while I could.  Do you find the amp getting hot under there?

JDS- Sure thing, $2 squares paying out $50/quarter

gloco- How do you like that CD-25.  I like the mods many are doing to these players.  The Onix version at $299 is a steal, and they are having folks perform the mods in house in the near future.  Level 1 mod players are going for $650 now (1+ are $750).

Lil Kim- loving the Pulsars right now!  Will be getting the RS Audio Silver Illume soon.

Great rooms guys!  Wish I had some of the amps you guy are running!

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« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2005, 08:20:49 AM »
gloco- How do you like that CD-25.  I like the mods many are doing to these players.  The Onix version at $299 is a steal, and they are having folks perform the mods in house in the near future.  Level 1 mod players are going for $650 now (1+ are $750).



I'm loving it but i'm also considering going all out with mods (level 3) because i'm planning on purchasing a DIY amp for the headphones (KGSS).  It sounds quite smooth and extended.  I consider it pretty much non-fatiguing and can listen to it for hours and it seems to have just as open a sound at a very low volume. 
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« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2005, 08:49:25 AM »
wow, all of this stuff is fun to look at.

Can I ask roughly how much did some of you guys spend on this stuff.  Not including the tvs and junk, but mostly just the amps, speakers, receivers, and cd/dvd players.  doesn't have to be exact, just estimates if you don't mind.

I'm hoping that one day when i'm finally happy with my taping rig i can start working on my home audio setup.  Just wondering how much money i'm gonna have to drop one day.

Agreed--this is a fun thread, I love seeing other people's rooms.

I have had up to $30k in equipment, but I find about $15k to be the sweet spot.  Any more and I feel bad having so much money tied up in it, and I don't enjoy it as much.  Right now I'm a little high.

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« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2005, 09:41:18 AM »
wow, i'm at about $600 right now, around $1000 if you count the tv.  guess i'm 1/15th of the way there. haha.


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« Reply #86 on: April 15, 2005, 09:45:34 AM »
  Right now I'm a little high.

Wake and bake?  ;) :D
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« Reply #87 on: April 15, 2005, 09:51:11 AM »

Scott B-  Great setup!  Arcam gear looking sharp as always.  The guy I deal with just moved companies and no longer can get that Arcam gear at a great price.  I should have taken advantage while I could.  Do you find the amp getting hot under there?


i got lucky with my p7/av8 combo.  a dealer was selling showroom equipment for under half price. 

i haven't had a heat problem with the amp at all.  there are no sides to the shelves,  so the p7 amp is sitting in there and there is a ton of open space to its left, going out to the side of the whole unit.  so it's not in an enclosed space at all.  i'm not sure how it'd be if it was.  i do know that it's definitely not lacking power when all 7 channels are hooked up :)

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« Reply #88 on: April 15, 2005, 09:55:52 AM »
wow, i'm at about $600 right now, around $1000 if you count the tv.  guess i'm 1/15th of the way there. haha.

My amp, a Premier 11A, has a going rate $1500 on audiogon.  It replaced an MF2300 that I had for a few years.  I sold that for the $1200 I paid for it.   So in my mind, I only paid $300 for the 11A.

Remember that we didn't all just go out and buy this gear at once.  Most of these systems are the result of incremental upgrades over as much time as a decade.  The thing that has helped me is that I'm patient.  I do my research and watch a few sales cycles on agon.  I usually buy gear at a price near the low end of the range.  As a result, I get to use the gear for almost no cost until I upgrade.   If you can devote 20/wk (less than the cost to feed Sally Struthers for a day), you can do incremental upgrades over about 5 years and have a system that lists for over $10K.
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« Reply #89 on: April 15, 2005, 09:58:01 AM »
The greatest accomplishment is the placement of my left speaker! ;D

The great respect I already held for you has more than doubled after seeing that ;-).  I need you to coach me through the room treatments battle.  Do you do onsite counseling?
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« Reply #90 on: April 15, 2005, 10:33:08 AM »
yeah, i realize i have to take it slow.  i've been taping for almost 3 years and i still don't have my gear put together for that yet, but its getting there.  not to mention right now, i move every year...which would probably be bad for the equipment anyway.  i'll be patient.  until then, i'll just read these posts and drool.


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« Reply #91 on: April 15, 2005, 10:41:18 AM »
i've been taping for almost 3 years and i still don't have my gear put together for that yet, but its getting there.

Your kidding right?  KM184's > Optimod V3 > NJB3 is a great rig.  If I had been running that kind of rig at three years I'd probably still listen to those tapes.
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« Reply #92 on: April 15, 2005, 11:02:45 AM »
these pics are from a few months back when i was just moving in to my place

Scott, I'll trade you my maple vr-2's for your hazelwood's. :)

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« Reply #93 on: April 15, 2005, 11:10:16 AM »
hazelwood is nice right?  i was glad i waited the extra few months for the hazelwoods to come in stock.  they look sooo good

i have no neighbors right now.  i live in the middle of town above some businesses.  it's the one apartment in a building of a few shops and an office.  so i can blast these things as loud as i want.  i think if you're sitting in the starbucks on the corner you might be able to hear the vr2s :)

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« Reply #94 on: April 15, 2005, 12:09:57 PM »
hazelwood is nice right? i was glad i waited the extra few months for the hazelwoods to come in stock. they look sooo good

Yes, they look great. Mine were purchased used, so I did'nt get to pick out a color.  :-[

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« Reply #95 on: April 15, 2005, 12:27:14 PM »
i've been taping for almost 3 years and i still don't have my gear put together for that yet, but its getting there.

Your kidding right? KM184's > Optimod V3 > NJB3 is a great rig. If I had been running that kind of rig at three years I'd probably still listen to those tapes.

I'm definitely liking what i have now, but i won't be happy until i have actives, an arsenal of caps, and a 24bit recorder.  As soon as I have that tho, all my extra money will be going into playback gear.


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« Reply #96 on: April 15, 2005, 03:51:08 PM »
I've posted some pics before but here we go....

my sweet rack :P


the dac2


I need to dust this thing :P


from behind my chair, I move the coffee table out for critical listening


a shot of the room


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« Reply #97 on: April 15, 2005, 03:53:43 PM »
tim - do you re-arrange the speakers around the TV for DVD watching?  that would confuse the hell out of my ears if i was sitting in the couch staring at the tube.

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« Reply #98 on: April 15, 2005, 03:55:16 PM »
Nice setup Tim.....bet the view is pretty sweet too!
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« Reply #99 on: April 15, 2005, 03:55:59 PM »
tim - do you re-arrange the speakers around the TV for DVD watching? that would confuse the hell out of my ears if i was sitting in the couch staring at the tube.

no I don't.

I really don't watch many movies and while I have a large collection of concert dvd's I rarely watch them, I turn them on and change the channel.

It doesn't really bother me but I'm used to it... my room is definitely setup for 2 channel audio only. I have zero interest in home theatre...
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« Reply #100 on: April 15, 2005, 04:04:14 PM »
gotcha ;)


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« Reply #101 on: April 15, 2005, 04:06:26 PM »
you'll just have to come over and see for yourself
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« Reply #102 on: April 15, 2005, 04:07:01 PM »
It doesn't really bother me but I'm used to it... my room is definitely setup for 2 channel audio only. I have zero interest in home theatre...

Same here.
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« Reply #103 on: April 16, 2005, 10:49:13 AM »
here is the rack...




and the DAC...


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« Reply #104 on: April 16, 2005, 11:04:38 AM »
Love all those windows, Tim.  If you have the view, you might as well see it!!

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« Reply #105 on: April 16, 2005, 03:25:15 PM »
you'll just have to come over and see for yourself

next time i'm in denver buddy, i'll be calling ya up ;)  i'm debating a red rocks visit this summer for a show.  possibly that july 1 show.  have to see how my schedule shapes up.  there is a damn good chance i'll be touring with Madahoochi this summer doing sound and/or playing guitar so i'm not sure what's going to be what this summer.

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« Reply #106 on: April 16, 2005, 03:43:05 PM »
Here are a few of mine.

B&W 604S3's
SA8000HD HD DVR Box/Digi-Cable box
Shitty RCA DVD (DVD-A) Player
Denon DCM-340 CD Player
Sony VCR that's just taking up space :)
Arcam Alpha 10 Integrated Amp
All low level cables, probably Monster mostly.  I need to get new interconnects and speaker cables soon, and plan on getting a center/sub/rears to complete the HT setup too.  At that time, I'll upgrade the source as well.


Full rig from listening position.


Just the Rack, which I believe is made by Sanus.


Another view.
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« Reply #107 on: April 17, 2005, 09:25:01 AM »
that looks really nice Jeff

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« Reply #108 on: April 17, 2005, 11:45:17 PM »
Wow, lots of nice systems.  :)

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« Reply #109 on: April 18, 2005, 07:48:37 AM »
Anyone have specific rack recs?  I am thinking about taking down my large entertainment center in favor of something much more compact.  How does everyone keep the mess of cables hidden though?

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« Reply #110 on: April 18, 2005, 07:54:12 AM »
How does everyone keep the mess of cables hidden though?

I don't.
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« Reply #111 on: April 18, 2005, 09:37:52 AM »
Thanks Moke, stellar suggestions.  Looking behind my ent center this morning, the mess is just that, a big freaking mess of cables everywhere.  I will have to come up with something if I do all of this.  I really want my speakers less far out into the room, so I get some rear reflection with treatments behind them, but doing so is going to be costly I imagine.  Has anyone tried making a rack?  If so, is it possible for the handyman retarded to pull this off?
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« Reply #112 on: April 18, 2005, 11:21:19 AM »
Thanks Moke, stellar suggestions.  Looking behind my ent center this morning, the mess is just that, a big freaking mess of cables everywhere.  I will have to come up with something if I do all of this.  I really want my speakers less far out into the room, so I get some rear reflection with treatments behind them, but doing so is going to be costly I imagine.  Has anyone tried making a rack?  If so, is it possible for the handyman retarded to pull this off?

If I were you'd I'd really try to tidy up a bit and keep your power cables as far away from your interconnects, from my experience doing so can make an audible improvement in sound.

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« Reply #113 on: April 18, 2005, 11:29:35 AM »
Has anyone tried making a rack? If so, is it possible for the handyman retarded to pull this off?

Read the entire thread. This has already been discussed.

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« Reply #114 on: April 18, 2005, 11:34:14 AM »
Has anyone tried making a rack? If so, is it possible for the handyman retarded to pull this off?

Read the entire thread. This has already been discussed.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=33580.15

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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #115 on: April 18, 2005, 12:30:29 PM »
Thanks, I looked at that one this morning.  There are several others out there at some tweak sites that are interesting as well.
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« Reply #116 on: April 18, 2005, 02:05:30 PM »
Thanks Moke, stellar suggestions.  Looking behind my ent center this morning, the mess is just that, a big freaking mess of cables everywhere.  I will have to come up with something if I do all of this.  I really want my speakers less far out into the room, so I get some rear reflection with treatments behind them, but doing so is going to be costly I imagine.  Has anyone tried making a rack?  If so, is it possible for the handyman retarded to pull this off?

Help me understand why you don't want them so far out in the room.

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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #117 on: April 18, 2005, 06:22:39 PM »
Thanks Moke, stellar suggestions.  Looking behind my ent center this morning, the mess is just that, a big freaking mess of cables everywhere.  I will have to come up with something if I do all of this.  I really want my speakers less far out into the room, so I get some rear reflection with treatments behind them, but doing so is going to be costly I imagine.  Has anyone tried making a rack?  If so, is it possible for the handyman retarded to pull this off?

I assume ya mean of your own design/not a kit.  If so, I consider myself to be pretty "handy" and don't think I could construct anything that Heather would let in the house.   Well...that's not true.  I think the one stand I could make that would look great would be made of threaded rod, washers, hex nuts and granite. 



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« Reply #118 on: April 18, 2005, 08:38:33 PM »
1X10"s and cinder blocks baby, who cares what it looks like, as  long as it sounds good.

J/K  even though I use some pretty ghetto racks.
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« Reply #119 on: April 18, 2005, 10:07:52 PM »
http://www.ubid.com/actn/opn/getpage.asp?AuctionId=10358146

I bought one of these and it is worth every penny...comes with spikes or screws for the feet, and looks great....I couldnt have built something comparable for the cost of materials and labor

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« Reply #120 on: April 18, 2005, 10:12:20 PM »
I can't wait to have room for a real rack... I really want to get my amp out in the open and show it off....
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« Reply #121 on: April 18, 2005, 10:14:04 PM »
I can't wait to have room for a real rack... I really want to get my amp out in the open and show it off....

just go ahead and marry the girl, buy the house with the white picket fence, then you will be there with the rest of us...where you can argue about whether you need the rack and where you are "allowed" to put it...all while calling it a compromise :P

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« Reply #122 on: April 18, 2005, 10:16:25 PM »
I'm pretty close to that anyway :P
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« Reply #123 on: April 18, 2005, 10:54:42 PM »
"I'm pretty close to that anyway"

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« Reply #124 on: April 18, 2005, 11:15:24 PM »
Nice rack Nick. Errrr did I just say that? :P ;D

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« Reply #125 on: April 19, 2005, 11:57:26 AM »
"I'm pretty close to that anyway"

 :'( :'( :'( :'(

I didn't mean close to getting married, just that I'm getting bossed around like I'm already married
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Re: playback-pr0n
« Reply #126 on: April 19, 2005, 02:58:02 PM »



I didn't mean close to getting married, just that I'm getting bossed around like I'm already married

Who says the milk's free?  ;) :D
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« Reply #127 on: April 19, 2005, 02:59:10 PM »
 :D

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« Reply #128 on: April 20, 2005, 09:25:36 PM »
Scott, to answer your question, my new speakers are rear ported, so I was figuring to maximize bass performance without the need for a sub, which I really don't like anyway with neighbors and all, that moving them closer to the wall would maximize the low end.  I supose I could be nuts though.  Moke, how much does such a thing cost?  I couldn't find prices, though after glancing through the latest stereophile this evening, I am sure 20k or so ;)
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« Reply #129 on: April 25, 2005, 08:02:31 PM »
Did someone mention tubes??? I have been loving my Bat, someday when my wife & I find a house that we both agree on (fat chance so far  ::) ) I will get another so I can save on home heating costs.
I know you like, tape for people's approval and stuff, and wave your tapes around like they're your dick...  but even you can't actually think section tapes from philips sound good.  



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« Reply #130 on: April 25, 2005, 08:04:23 PM »
damn carl!!!
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« Reply #131 on: April 25, 2005, 08:04:56 PM »
:drool:
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« Reply #132 on: April 25, 2005, 08:07:17 PM »
I absolutely love it, you think the picture is big you have to see it in person, 95 lbs!! It takes two of us to move it, seriously. It will warm the room up to the point that the heat shuts off in the winter, no joke. Make a fist & look down at it, the rear tubes are bigger than your fist.
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« Reply #133 on: April 25, 2005, 08:28:10 PM »
I absolutely love it, you think the picture is big you have to see it in person, 95 lbs!! It takes two of us to move it, seriously. It will warm the room up to the point that the heat shuts off in the winter, no joke. Make a fist & look down at it, the rear tubes are bigger than your fist.

holy crap...

that is fuggin cool 8)
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« Reply #134 on: April 25, 2005, 08:29:33 PM »
I absolutely love it, you think the picture is big you have to see it in person, 95 lbs!! It takes two of us to move it, seriously. It will warm the room up to the point that the heat shuts off in the winter, no joke. Make a fist & look down at it, the rear tubes are bigger than your fist.

holy crap...

that is fuggin cool 8)

qft
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« Reply #135 on: April 26, 2005, 07:54:01 AM »
Very cool BAT.  I would appreciate a mini review when you get a chance as I've been considering trying a BAT.

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« Reply #136 on: April 28, 2005, 07:52:43 AM »
A mini review is tough b/c this is the first tube amp I have ever owned. With that being said, it did replace a few real good soild state amps. My last & favorite being the DNA-1. I had the chance to use the DNA & BAT back to back when I first got my VR4jr's. What I can say is that it does not have the slam that the DNA did but figuring it is a third of the power this makes sense. The bass is very weighty, is very fluid & does have "some" slam. The mids & highs are so beyond description, they are sweet & fluid. Actually fluid sums up the whole presentation. There is excellent soundstage & an imaging but overall the presence of tubes is what get's you. It will draw you into the music, what I find I'm enjoying is the attack of the notes. They seem to hit you hard & then have a sweet decay. The music sounds LIVE, I can't say anything other than that. I can't imagine ANYTHING sounding better to my ears. If you want to try tubes but are afraid of a loss of bass slam, I still think this is the amp for you. You may lose a little down on the bottom octaves but what you gain everywhere else is worth tenfold IMHO.
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« Reply #137 on: April 29, 2005, 07:54:35 AM »
It sounds very similar to my ARC. Thanks.

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« Reply #138 on: April 29, 2005, 08:01:22 PM »
A mini review is tough b/c this is the first tube amp I have ever owned.......................

Wow !  That's like learning to drive in a Ferrari !   

                   
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« Reply #139 on: June 10, 2005, 12:55:01 PM »

This one is the coolest from the thread...  :laugh: :D :)

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« Reply #140 on: June 10, 2005, 12:57:11 PM »
that quaf is pretty tite too.
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« Reply #142 on: June 10, 2005, 05:06:19 PM »
From Agon:    ::)



Is this for real ?
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That pic certainly doesn't make me want to shell out $600. However I know nothing about these speakers or anything about single driver speakers for that matter. :-\
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« Reply #143 on: June 16, 2005, 03:33:35 PM »
just finished (re)building my mediaplayer 'puter (which i affectionately call my "hi-fi pc") and adding it to the stack...




here is a closeup of the h-fpc (with the jolida on top)...




and here is a not-so-good(quality) pic of the glow...




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« Reply #144 on: June 16, 2005, 03:38:30 PM »
nice, care to explain your pc setup?

I haven't been able to get a good picture of the tube glow either :(

I'm going to start running vxpocket digi out->dac for now
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« Reply #145 on: June 16, 2005, 04:01:54 PM »
nice, care to explain your pc setup?

I haven't been able to get a good picture of the tube glow either :(

I'm going to start running vxpocket digi out->dac for now

see now, if you had had me as your houseguest next week, i coulda shown ya :P (i am kidding - i know you had plans)

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i have the optical out of the c2000es (sacd/cd player) plugged into the first monarchy in the DAC chain [it has two inputs (coax + optical), with a toggle switch on the back], so that i am using the sony player as a redbook transport only, because i switch the monarchy to optical input, and then the cd digital goes through the dac chain. if the toggle is set to coax input, it takes whatever i play in foobar2000 (including 24/96 audio files)...

i have the rca outs of that sacd/cd unit go to the second input on the joLida for sacd playback...

the nak deck plays back via the dat analog input, so i can have save the last jolida input (of four) for the phono...

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« Reply #146 on: June 16, 2005, 04:13:09 PM »
nice

I just downloaded foobar... I'm going to start playing with that this afternoon

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« Reply #147 on: June 16, 2005, 04:39:52 PM »
Foobar has been FUBAR for me.  It worked for like 2 days, now it always thinks that some other device is using my cdrom.

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« Reply #148 on: June 16, 2005, 04:40:38 PM »
tim -- foobar's real nice, be sure to download the biggest/most comprehensive version available as that's the one that will decode shns.

Macdaddy -- can the lcd screen be used to scan music directories to identify stored albums/shows to play, or do you still need a "real" screen for that? - also, can the lcd screen easily be mounted remotely (my pc sits hidden behind my stereo rack)?

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« Reply #149 on: June 16, 2005, 04:53:04 PM »
tim -- foobar's real nice, be sure to download the biggest/most comprehensive version available as that's the one that will decode shns.

they call that the special version (all the components you need in the one *.exe)


Macdaddy -- can the lcd screen be used to scan music directories to identify stored albums/shows to play, or do you still need a "real" screen for that? - also, can the lcd screen easily be mounted remotely (my pc sits hidden behind my stereo rack)?

you mean mount it in sometihing other than two drive bays..? yes - the frame is easy to mount... your biggest problem would be getting the power cable to it - the serial cable is long enough...

as for scanning the drives... if i can use lcdsmartie to have it print live ezt rss feeds, i am sure there is a way to have it scan your drives. not sure what you want to do there...

but basically  - if lcd smartie can do it, you can do it with the display...

i just have foo txt output a four line txt file, and each line gets printed on the display - the file updates once/second...

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« Reply #150 on: June 16, 2005, 05:04:46 PM »


as for scanning the drives... if i can use lcdsmartie to have it print live ezt rss feeds, i am sure there is a way to have it scan your drives. not sure what you want to do there...


I'm not being clear -- my music collection sits on a hard drive, each show/album is in its own directory.  Right now, to view directorys and select the show I want to hear, I need to fire up the tv to see foobar -- can this (looking for the show/album I want to play) be accomplished via the lcd, or do I need to fire up the tv to see foobar from within windoze?

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« Reply #151 on: June 16, 2005, 05:06:03 PM »
I have read, though I have not tried it myself, that you can get a computer using it's internal card to sound absolutely superb as a transport.  I believe the lynx card is what most audiophile types are using, along with lots of dampening, as well as ers cloth to cut down on rfi/emi interference.  I also believe the quality of the power supply plays a large role in the computer setup as well.  I will try to dig up a few links.
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« Reply #152 on: June 16, 2005, 06:10:16 PM »


as for scanning the drives... if i can use lcdsmartie to have it print live ezt rss feeds, i am sure there is a way to have it scan your drives. not sure what you want to do there...


I'm not being clear -- my music collection sits on a hard drive, each show/album is in its own directory.  Right now, to view directorys and select the show I want to hear, I need to fire up the tv to see foobar -- can this (looking for the show/album I want to play) be accomplished via the lcd, or do I need to fire up the tv to see foobar from within windoze?

you could do that, but it would take some fancy work...

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« Reply #153 on: June 16, 2005, 06:25:40 PM »
looks like I'm still on the lookout for a small (15" or under) lcd screen to use as a secondary monitor then -- thanks!

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« Reply #154 on: June 16, 2005, 07:48:14 PM »
looks like I'm still on the lookout for a small (15" or under) lcd screen to use as a secondary monitor then -- thanks!

you could do it, but you would need to program some scripts... foobar can be run entirely from the command line, and you can browse rss feeds via the lcd, so it wouldn't take too much to put it all together. i just havent done it yet, but i am almost positive that it is possible...

in my setup, if there is no album, date, comment info (read "no tag"), the last line of the display shows the path of the file - which is big help to me,, since i have a network, so sometimes finding the actual file i am listeing to is a bit troublesome...

you might want a bigger display than 4x20, though, if you are running headless (sans monitor)... maybe not, it wouldnt bee too bad, either...

i thought about running headless, but i have an old crt monitor i wasnt using (thanks to the new 4x kvm switch for the lcd on my desk), so now, i  suspend that old monitor on a stand, and it hangs over my turntable to the left of the stack. i use it for browsing for music files, but also to run milkdrop (which plays nice with foobar, too). plus, i like the idea that i am using those old voodoo2 vid cards for something :P
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« Reply #155 on: June 27, 2005, 08:35:49 PM »
Saw this post the other day and thought I should show yall my little space.. Not much but I like it :-)

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« Reply #156 on: June 27, 2005, 11:47:40 PM »
Most playback systems have tweeters, you have a quacker.  +T    ;D
Nice speakers, taboot !

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« Reply #157 on: June 28, 2005, 05:34:55 PM »
Yes, nice speakers, but clean that Roor!!! :)
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« Reply #158 on: June 28, 2005, 06:46:11 PM »
Yes, nice speakers, but that that Roor!!! :)

the jar on the table looks nice too.
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« Reply #159 on: June 28, 2005, 10:51:28 PM »
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« Reply #160 on: June 29, 2005, 03:59:13 PM »
Funny, I didn't see a thing      8)
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« Reply #161 on: July 01, 2005, 10:24:30 AM »
Saw this post the other day and thought I should show yall my little space.. Not much but I like it :-)



Nice bong on the fireplace.

And I thought of "The Falconer" when I saw this too!


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« Reply #162 on: July 01, 2005, 04:57:49 PM »
My measely system. The MMGs are for sale and getting ready to drop some cash on a pair of VR4JRs! System is Onkyo DV-SP800 > YS Audio Symphonies pre > Adcom GFA-5500 > Maggie MMGs and a Pinnacle Baby Boomer Plus sub. Also on the rack is an HHB CDR-850 and some cheapo Yamaha tuner! After the new speakers come, next upgrade will be the amp! Not pictured is a Sony 34XBR960 CRT TV that I just love, a Denon tape player (forget the model #, and a BSR EQ (for the tape). Things that are shuttled in the room every now and then from the DAW is a Panasonic SV-3800 (Oade mod), and an Alesis ML-9600 Masterlink! Oh, and a Sony PS2 for some NCAA 2004 football!!!
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« Reply #163 on: October 04, 2012, 11:38:02 PM »
its time to bump this old thread to the top, ^^

whatcha got?

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« Reply #164 on: October 04, 2012, 11:38:13 PM »
New music room, finished september 2012.  I converted a two car attached garage into my new music room.

overview from rear wall of 24'x25' room


left side of room:
dark cabinet -  The Vactrola record cleaning machine.
left shelf unit, Ikea Expedit 5x5, with my 33.3 record collection.

middle, rack, top level 
1955 Presto Recording Corp T18, soapstone plinth, on top left
1963 Bogen-Presto B51 heavy platter mod'd TT, soapstone plinth, on top right
Redboy Nate custom tube phono-stage


middle of rack:
Plinius 8200 class-ab 175w SS amp, with Analysis-Plus Bi-Oval 9's cable (c. 1999)
Bogen-Presto B60 heavy platter TT "Lucille"  (c. 1959/1960)
temporarily on floor - later 80's Denon DRA-25 receiver presently powering the lowboy speakers at 30w per channel (at a low dB)

bottom of rack:
Digi-shizzer thingy for CD / DVD-A
VansEvers Power conditioner

Speakers:
Towers - Soliloquy 6.3 rosewood (c. 1999)
Lowboys - mid-50's era General Electric A1-400 12" coaxial speakers (c. 1955)

Right side of room:
Ikea Expedit 5x5 shelf unit with 78rpm shellac record collection
Customized monaural console, "Audrey" in corner.

Hard right of room:
Mid-century stereo console with Bogen-Presto heavy platter B61 TT
this is a newly developing project to accompany the GE A1-400 speakers

In a bit closer:

Solioquy 6.3 tower (l) --  General Electric A1-400 (r; c.1955):


Mid-century console w/ Bogen-Presto B61 heavy platter TT (c.1961) this is a newly developing project:


"Audrey" 1934 Art-Deco radio/phonograph cabinet, w/ Presto Recording Corp 15G2 TT (c.1952), General Electric A1-500 radio broadcast tonearm (c. early 50's), GE RPX cartridge (c. early 50's, made for GE tonearm), Harman-Kardon 10w tube amp (c.1957)
I assembled this console from parts purchased over a couple of years of searching:


In her old location in old house (since moved to new house)




Bogen-Presto B60 heavy platter TT (c.1959/1960), "Lucille":



Bogen-Presto B51 heavy platter modified TT (c. 1963), on solid, custom, DIY soapstone plinth:



Presto Recording Corporation T18 Pirouette (c. 1955), custom hot-rod, on custom solid DIY soapstone plinth:



There it is, the new music room, with quite a bit of golden era goodies.  Its still a work in progress.
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« Reply #165 on: October 05, 2012, 01:17:59 PM »
Here is a look into mid-50's HiFi speakers. General Electric A1-400 coaxial speakers in GE A1-406 cabinets (c. 1954/1955):


corner speaker design:









eBay sourced images below. I have not opened mine up this far yet:







The cabinets originally had legs, but they were removed prior to my possession; two were wide in the font, and the other two were narrower in the rear.  I intend to mount a new set of legs on them of likely 6" height.  I might offset the front from the rear to kick the speakers into an upward tilt, maybe?  Well see.
I'm thinking about 6" for the speakers and matching 4" legs on the mid-century console to even their height out to be level across the tops.

This is a discussion that I found archived at AudioAsylum regarding these speakers; interesting insights:

GE A1-400's
   •   Posted by Tubes n' Hornz (A) on August 9, 2003 at 09:59:47
I've got a pair of GE A1-400's in the original A1-406 cabinets from the early 1950's. Has anybody done anything with these speakers, as far as sound improvement, or should I leave well enough alone? Thanks - Steve


Re: GE A1-400's
   •   Posted by Bold Eagle (A) on August 9, 2003 at 20:31:12 In Reply to: GE A1-400's posted by Tubes n' Hornz on August 9, 2003 at 09:59:47:

I had one of these back in 1955. My first decent system using an Eico HF-20 with a Garrard RC-88 and a GE phono cart.
I'd leave them alone and enjoy them for a piece of history. When I had mine, I tried various "improvements" and all I did was degrade them. My opinion of them is that they were exceptionally well engineered. I just didn't realize it in time.
The closed back tweeter crossed over at 1500 Hz, and had a dispersion screen over the tweeter similar to the ones used by Kloss on the KLH 6 and later KLH 17. The tweeter also has an extended pole piece to act as a "phase plug". Crossover is first order electrical to the tweeter, but probably 3rd order acoustic. Very well matched to the woofer, so there is no dip or bump at the crossover.
The woofer has a slotted sheetmetal plate over the front which acts as a mounting for the tweeter, an acoustic resistance for the woofer cone, an acoustical low pass filter, and a dispersion device (acoustic lens) to get broader dispersion at crossover. Bolting the tweeter to the plate and mounting the plate to the woofer frame nicely damps out all resonances in the plate. The tweeter also acts as a "phase plug" for the woofer output. The later A1-401 was the same except the plate was painted gold instead of brown.
Back in the mid 50's the hallmarks of fine quality speakers was massive magnets, cast aluminum frames, and huge voice coils. The GE had none of these, so I looked down on it. (we still make mistakes like that) The ignorance and consumerism of a teenager. It was only later I learned about matching the magnetic circuit to the mass of the cone and the enclosure type. The magnet on the A1-400 was just the right size for the design, the stamped steel frame was more than stiff enough, and the 1.5" VC was big enough; and the "distributed port" enclosure gives just the right Q in the bass.
I had my speaker out on a glassed in sun porch. I can remember playing an RCA recording of Jose' Iturbi, the pianist, with the windows open. People passing by on the sidewalk would stop and look for the piano player inside. The A1-400 had one of the best piano sounds I ever had. It also was on most lists of "best buys" in that era.
I tried removing the sheetmetal front plate and mounting the tweeter separately, I tried a midrange, I tried a more sophisticated crossover, and I tried a bunch of different enclosure types. All were steps backward.
Proper feeding for those is a tube amp with a DF of around 6-10. Higher Damping Factors will result in the bass tailing off a bit.
Jerry


Re: GE A1-400's
   •   Posted by orthophonic (A) on August 9, 2003 at 23:41:35 In Reply to: Re: GE A1-400's posted by Bold Eagle on August 9, 2003 at 20:31:12:

Agree 100% with Bold Eagle. I have 3 sets of these (
unfortunately I have never been able to locate the
GE factory cabinets, I have the plans, but am lousy at
woodworking!). They are very nice speakers, very detailed,
and exceptionally smooth & sweet. Some people damp
the cone basket, but I haven't tried that, they sound
very good as is. I actually prefer them to the Altec 604.
Paul


Re: GE A1-400's
   •   Posted by Tubes n' Hornz (A) on August 10, 2003 at 05:57:51 In Reply to: Re: GE A1-400's posted by orthophonic on August 9, 2003 at 23:41:35:

Jerry/Paul - thanks a bunch for the info. I shall leave well enough alone. Will be hooking these up to a pair of W4-MA's or my EL34 amp. Will find out which give me what I'm looking for. Steve

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« Reply #166 on: October 05, 2012, 02:09:09 PM »
Nice size room.  Looks great, cool to see all those great old pieces of lovingly modified gear in the same space - and it must feel good to get it all together and be able to spin discs in comfort again.

Those GEs cabinets look just like larger versions of some old Warfdales I have that were my grandfathers.  Totally different drivers of course, not coaxial, but the same basic shape with the truncated rear corners.  The've become termite ridden and need to go, still sitting out in the shed only because I might yank the drivers out.  I should look into some of those Ikea shelves..

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« Reply #167 on: October 05, 2012, 08:54:03 PM »
Thanks, Lee!
The Ikea shelves are a really well thought out design.  Good vertical load handling capability.  There is no way that you could build shelves for what they ask for them.  And all the components fit precisely.  It was a snap to assemble them.

A friend of mine is into these old speakers, and he suggested that the GE cabinets look just like the old Electrovoice cabinets of the same era.  I don't know, its a new thing for me.
It looks like a trip is in store for tomorrow, to where I can get a new set of legs for the speakers. I think they'll look really nice up off the ground, and presumably sound better as well, in getting the tweets up closer to ear height.

Your Wharfdales,....  they seem to be a well respected vintage speaker.  It would probably be worth it to pull the speakers out of the cabinets (if they're shot, bug eaten).  I've seen some of the turntable restoring crew do some really neat things with these old speakers.
Check this thread out. There are some amazing old speakers in it:
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=351417

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« Reply #168 on: October 05, 2012, 11:05:18 PM »
I dig the geologic factor oozing through the rigs. I hope to one day spin some vinyl on something like the soapstone. Meta-dolostone!! Dolostone is cool, in and of itself by how it forms, but to have it get mangled and uplifted by tectonics and then spin vinyl on it?!? Whoddathunkit!?

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« Reply #169 on: October 06, 2012, 12:28:36 PM »
Yeah, that is my Senn. MKE2002 Dummy Head, Gude.
He'd just be in a black box, so I let him out, and he occupies that shelf spot.

Soapstone,...  In this picture, on the vertical face of the plinth, you'll see a round silver object; a neodymium magnet.  Who knew that soapstone was magnetic or magnetically attractive?
I had a magnet on the plinth for some reason, on a piece of some other material. When I went to pick up that material, the magnet fell off.  I looked for it on the countertop, on the floor, below the plinth, and had just about given up on it. Then came an aha! moment.
It was at this point in developing the plinth that I realized its magnetic anomaly; I was already really deep in building it. I truly feel its attractive to magnetics, and not necessarily magnetic itself; if it is its really a low level of magnetic.  The RE magnet does not repulse from it on either side, it attracts to both sides, thusly my assumption of attractive.

I cannot make a regular magnet stick to it, but those rare earth magnets are so damn intense that they'll attract to wood.  Both soapstone plinths exhibit this same phenomenon.

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« Reply #170 on: October 07, 2012, 10:20:49 AM »
According to wiki, soapstone forms by metamorphosing "ultramafic" (iron and magnesium bearing) sedimentary rocks like schist.  Magnetite (an iron oxide) can be found in these types of rocks. I have a piece of schist I picked up here in Phoenix that will hang from a strong magnet and has nice (1-2mm) octahedral magnetite crystals littered throughout. 

What all rock types do you see being used for TTs? Is soapstone commonly preferred?
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« Reply #171 on: October 07, 2012, 12:08:42 PM »
The most commonly used is slate.  The layers of sediment that formed it create a nice form of damping between each layer of strata.

Soapstone is not as common.  But there are several plinth builders that have used it.  Its an easy stone to work with.  On mine, I used tools common to most carpenters, with the most exotic being a wet tile saw (I have a tile saw that is similar to a table saw).  I've also used a standard router and carbide bit to do a bunch of work on the soapstone.  Its like working with an extremely hard wood.
Here is about the most extensive soapstone plinth collection on the web:
http://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/index.php?topic=2700.0

Granite is being used, but is prone to the all too common mantra of "it rings".  I've seen a couple of wonderful example of granite used, and the owners have not suggested any such anomaly as ringing.
Here is a beautiful example of granite being used with a TT:
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=441502&highlight=granite+empire

The antagonists of stone will say that all stone rings. I only have experience with soapstone, and find that mantra to be a myth spread by people that have not actually built anything with it.  Your tonearm will go resonant far before the plinth stone will. But I've seen where some antagonists suggest that the stone plinth will start to ring, especially in the corner areas; when asked of their own building experience, they've got nothing to back it up with. Those of us that have built with stone, with real experience, find no such thing.

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« Reply #172 on: October 07, 2012, 02:00:29 PM »
 ;D

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« Reply #173 on: October 07, 2012, 02:35:56 PM »
Hey d0od, thats my rock table.

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« Reply #174 on: October 08, 2012, 01:06:55 PM »
;D

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« Reply #175 on: November 11, 2012, 11:01:02 AM »
OK,… Let play:  Guess what Mikes truck dragged home tonight,…..





Any guesses?

OK,… Another clue unveiled:


At this point, it should be a dead giveaway:


Time for the glamour shots:








Their credentials:

 B-302A Twins: #01860 & #01861


In their new home:



Size comparison to the GE A1-400's:


You'll have to wait til tomorrow for the up skirt shots. For now, they're making sweet love to my ears.
I bought them from the original owners son. They were his fathers speakers.  They've been really well taken care of.  His son said they were new to his father in around 1961, or, 1962.  He suggested his father bought them before they moved to their new house, and that was in 1962.

The speakers are of the ceramic variety.  Wrong: They have alnico magnets - bonus points!
The crossover network is contained within a metal case, and not exposed like the older models.
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« Reply #176 on: November 11, 2012, 05:56:05 PM »
check out this cast iron beast!
heavy?  damn straight its heavy back breaking heavy.





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« Reply #177 on: November 11, 2012, 11:30:40 PM »
I think I need a tissue.... ;D
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« Reply #178 on: November 13, 2012, 10:53:55 AM »
Those Bozaks are in amazing shape!

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« Reply #179 on: November 13, 2012, 11:41:19 AM »
Sweet retro!
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« Reply #180 on: May 02, 2013, 09:13:53 PM »
I'm gonna need a bigger boat
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« Reply #181 on: May 03, 2013, 10:54:47 AM »
You certainly have a generously sized achor for it!
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« Reply #182 on: May 03, 2013, 12:26:46 PM »
it also functions as a space heater

 

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