Topic: MK21 Sub Cards NOS = F*ckin' Beautiful

[Nick's Picks]

btw..
my favorate mk21 source is GD 3-25-90.  But I have no idea how the mics were placed.

[creekfreak]

glad to hear you dig them.....wish the TL's had a subcard setting because while I love my mk41's, getting schoeps caps now just hurts the bank....you have the mk2's? another cap I want to try....doug oade's favorite schoeps cap if I remember some of his posts...look forward to running omni's all weekend, short of a little blumline here and there to spics things up

[Craig T]

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=21929

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=21926  (24/96)

[wboswell]

I've only run them once, and it was in a perfect environment.  I just didn't like the way things wer laid out. 
Namely WSP 4-12-05.  I like the soundstange characteristics of the baffled 4060s I ran on the same stand much better.  The tone and balance of the mk21 NOS source is superb.  I just dont like the presentation.

I've run sub-cards on various stereo mics...all coincident, gazillions of times.
Thats the way I like it.  Instead of running a wide XY w/cards, I prefer the 90deg w/subs.  I dont know how the schoeps would sound this way.  I've always heard that they are harsh XY.  That is how I wanted to run them originaly, but I had the KWON bar at my disposal so I gave it a shot.  Wish I would have just ran the full bodies and went XY, jus to see.

I'm contemplating the Peluso sub-cards XY tonight for Charlie Hunter.  But I wanted to try the mics out ORTF and will probably stick w/the cards.  We'll see. 

seems like you would get too much bleed with the subcards run XY, esp @ 90º.  I would think you would need more included angle to get appropriate separation.

We ran XY  mk41's from the Tabernacle balcony for a Crowes show and I was very impressed with the results...  I think they get a bad wrap, but no one ever tries them out..

[SonicSound]

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=21929

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=21926  (24/96)

Echoes...........

Damn it was cold that night

[drewloo]

I've run sub-cards on various stereo mics...all coincident, gazillions of times.
Thats the way I like it.  Instead of running a wide XY w/cards, I prefer the 90deg w/subs.  I dont know how the schoeps would sound this way.  I've always heard that they are harsh XY.  That is how I wanted to run them originaly, but I had the KWON bar at my disposal so I gave it a shot.  Wish I would have just ran the full bodies and went XY, jus to see.

I'm contemplating the Peluso sub-cards XY tonight for Charlie Hunter.  But I wanted to try the mics out ORTF and will probably stick w/the cards.  We'll see. 

seems like you would get too much bleed with the subcards run XY, esp @ 90º.  I would think you would need more included angle to get appropriate separation.

We ran XY  mk41's from the Tabernacle balcony for a Crowes show and I was very impressed with the results...  I think they get a bad wrap, but no one ever tries them out..

Schoeps says don't run the wide-cards XY cuz you'll break 'em! OK, you won't break them but here's what they say & it's pretty much the same thing as wboswell:

"The low directivity of this microphone type prevents it from generating large enough level differences for X/Y use, though M/S and near-coincident spacings are often successful."  You're gonna trust your ears over Dr. Schoeps' ears?  That's just nuts, man. 

[Genghis Cougar Mellen Khan]

I've run sub-cards on various stereo mics...all coincident, gazillions of times.
Thats the way I like it.  Instead of running a wide XY w/cards, I prefer the 90deg w/subs.  I dont know how the schoeps would sound this way.  I've always heard that they are harsh XY.  That is how I wanted to run them originaly, but I had the KWON bar at my disposal so I gave it a shot.  Wish I would have just ran the full bodies and went XY, jus to see.

I'm contemplating the Peluso sub-cards XY tonight for Charlie Hunter.  But I wanted to try the mics out ORTF and will probably stick w/the cards.  We'll see. 

seems like you would get too much bleed with the subcards run XY, esp @ 90º.  I would think you would need more included angle to get appropriate separation.

We ran XY  mk41's from the Tabernacle balcony for a Crowes show and I was very impressed with the results...  I think they get a bad wrap, but no one ever tries them out..

Schoeps says don't run the wide-cards XY cuz you'll break 'em! OK, you won't break them but here's what they say & it's pretty much the same thing as wboswell:

"The low directivity of this microphone type prevents it from generating large enough level differences for X/Y use, though M/S and near-coincident spacings are often successful."  You're gonna trust your ears over Dr. Schoeps' ears?  That's just nuts, man. 

"We ran XY  mk41's from the Tabernacle balcony for a Crowes show"

mk41's or mk21's?

[Genghis Cougar Mellen Khan]

one of the best MK21 tapes I have ever heard, drums sound unfuckinbelievable on this one!!! 

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=1363

Damn, that is nice! I've never heard the Steve Kimock Band before and I'm downloading this one for the road.   

[Nick Graham]

Here's my latest MK21 experience:

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=14654

[wolffman]

my 21's arrive tomorrow.  I'll be happy to do some "Experimentation" with some shows.  I have an ortf and nos bar.  I'm thinking I'll do an fob show with one set ortf and the other set nos to see.  I'll do the same when I get on stage also...

i'll post what I find...

wolff

[wboswell]

I've got a ums20 bar that I'm going to experiment with another configuration for the wide cards: 17cm/130*.  I'm thinking this will give a very open sounding recording similar to an omni, but will image much better for far field use.  I'll report back results when available.

[bkirby]

So, is this the "Kwon" bar Robert was referring to and is going to call the "boss"?

[wboswell]

So, is this the "Kwon" bar Robert was referring to and is going to call the "boss"?

This is top secret information which cannot be discussed in open forums...

[hzgone]

cool, i will be runing mine for the first time this weekend

jon

i'm listening to jon's moe show from summercamp and it sounds awesome

[jmerin]

since running the 21s for the first time, at summer camp. i love the sound that they pull off.  one of my friends even compared them to last years tapes when i ran the 4s and he said that the 21s sound nicer.  i will probably be running them at red rocks as well as moe. down

jon